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[cartman414]

Part of the reason PS3 was a hard sell was because of the super exotic architecture.

PS5 is once again going to be PC lite. Besides, I wouldn't put it past them to tier the thing.

 

[geordiemp]

The diffrence is that the One X is part of the Xbox One platform. It's just a more expensive, niche option for the current gen Xbox. All Xbox One games are fully playable on both systems, so $500 for an X is easier to stomach for those that want it. Less so with the PS5 since that's going to be a new generation system with exclusive software on it. If you don't have good games, $500 is going to be harder to justify for a next gen mainstream console, just ask Microsoft about that.

That is what you are missing, the Ps5 will play Ps4 games.....and I bet all games will be Ps4/Ps5 compatible so you upgrade when you want is the sensible approach.
That way Ps5 will be like the XBox X and just have extra features.
Lets see shall we.
There is no point in a $ 300 Ps5 that does not shift the game much, why change from my Pro ?

 

[V4skunk]

Delete this post.

 

[PocoJoe]

Well, Sony can do almost anything as there arent serious competition in home console market.

Nintendo stays in their weaklings & gimmicks world

Microsoft isnt popular outside of US and UK mainly

Sony is kind of popular or super popular around the world.

None of my gamer friends would buy xbox even if it would be faster and cheaper, so it is not even a competition to most playstation 4 owners, they just get the next one every time.

I hope ps5 costs 450-500€ and has really good specs because of it.

Not like this:

XBOX with shitty specs and retarded camera + high price

switch with low specs and high price because nintendo is greediest of them all

 

[Esppiral]

600€ for a top tier new console does not seems expensive to me, especially considering that people spends 1200€ on smartphones and no one yells to the sky.

 

[Dontero]

Part of the reason PS3 was a hard sell was because of the super exotic architecture.

PS5 is once again going to be PC lite. Besides, I wouldn't put it past them to tier the thing.

Other reason was that a lot of people already had X360 at that point. PS3 released year after X360 and by that time X360 had string of games and developers behind it. If latest rumors are true, PS5 will again be year late to party as MS wants to release their console this year.

 

[Clear]

Sony is on the right path to failure.

I've never seen so many stupid decisions to drive consumers away in such a short time

That sounds like wishful thinking on your part

I have the feeling that they are going to do just fine myself.

 

[Silver Wattle]

Not even close, off the shelf parts will never get them to PS3 level fuck up.

$499 for the first 8 months, price drop at E3 2021 to $449, drops $50 every year.

 

[scalman]

Sony is heading for new console that will run some of best games out there thats whats important. For other side i have pc for all those xbox games so you only need one console for life now

 

[Liamario]

I think Stadia will have some success, but there will still be a significant number who can perceive that unavoidable lag. Stadia won't cut the mustard for these people.

 

[Acidizer]

This post is regurgitated nonsense and based on nothing whatsoever. Complete with the "cockiness" trope. Has "resting on their laurels" been used yet?!

Why the fuck would Sony go back to the bloated PS3 model when it nearly killed them and not continue with exactly what made PS4 a resounding success?

 

[Esppiral]

Its bad to spend 600$ on a console that will last you at least 5 years, but it's ok to spend 1000$ on a phone every 1-2 years... What a world to be alive...

 

[deriks]

You realize that we still don't really know nothing, right?!

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Sony is on the right path to failure.

I've never seen so many stupid decisions to drive consumers away in such a short time

90M lifetime sales would certainly indicate that people are being driven away.

-Said no one

 

[Shaqazooloo]

Too early to say imo, let's wait for a full reveal and price, if it's north of 500 dollars, it's a done deal.

 

[Zannegan]

I think it's a little soon to say, but based on what little we know, probably not.

For one thing, if Cerney is still the engineer of the PS5, then you can bet they won't be going for anything excessive or esoteric in terms of design that would drive up the price. If they're charging $500 then it should be worth it, tech and features wise.

Speaking of, I'm encouraged that they are focusing on QoL and experience impovements rather than talking about power alone. Focusing on how the power will be used (in theory anyway) is a much better idea than leaning on flops numbers, especially when MS may well come out ahead on that front. Who would have thought they could make an SSD sound sexy? And it was a smart move to both drop the raytracing buzz word and spell out non-graphical applications of the tech for the skeptics (or realists, if you prefer). Speccing a console is always a tough game first/cost/power chicken though, and MS may well come out ahead. We'll just have to wait and see.

As for the handwringing over their "puritanical" stance, it won't affect their sales much IMO. If anything, I think there are more people who would hesitate to pick up a system that hosted a certain kind of game than there are that are mad about the censorship (illogical as that may be, when they could just... not buy the games).

 

[Outrunner]

How was PS3 a disaster?

 

[DanielsM]

Other reason was that a lot of people already had X360 at that point. PS3 released year after X360 and by that time X360 had string of games and developers behind it. If latest rumors are true, PS5 will again be year late to party as MS wants to release their console this year.

Not sure what "rumors" you are talking about, but the "rumors" most often out there is the Xbox One SAD edition announced yesterday, and a new spec console in late 2020. Most probably the PS5 will be release before or during the same time period. Either way its mostly moot as new games will be playable forward and back for some time, probably 5+ years... kind of like the PS4/PS4 Pro situation.

Developers already have a stronger console they can target Xbox One X, had basically no visual impact on sales that I can see. Most of this console warz stuff is over for the time being, more or less. If anything, if Microsoft continues to open up the Xbox like for instance the ability to play Xbox native titles on Windows 10, I could see developers/publishers not targeting Xbox Next at all - as than what they really would be targeting is not a hardware closed console but the Microsoft Store.

 

[Zannegan]

How was PS3 a disaster?

I mean, coming off their dominance in the PS1 and PS2 generations, it's hard to call clawing your way back to second place against a console that really only sold in one region a success. If disaster is a stretch, it's not much of one (though it doesn't touch some of Nintendo's disasters).

 

[killatopak]

How did you come to that conclusion?

They never mentioned price point. And even if it was $500, heck even $600, so what? If you adjusted for inflation 599 U S D O L L A R S in 2006 is now $800.

The way they announced everything was also brilliant. Now MS has no buzzwords to show when they announce the next Xbox. Sony have the leg up on them. They didn’t talk anything specific about specs or price as well so when MS gives out any detail, Sony will make them remember what E3 2013 felt like again.

Of course MS isn’t as stupid as before so I doubt they’ll fall for that but what Sony did was lay out the ground work and have the ability to respond.

The fiscal year is coming to an end and they mentioned the accelerated handing out of the dev kits. What they did was give out the details so the investors will know that the money they gave was being invested in R&D while also preventing leaks that give out false info on what they plan to do since they are dev kits after all.

 

[GoldenEye98]

People forget inflation when comparing prices.

$600 in 2006 is the same as $765 today.

So $500 vs $765...hmmmm

 

[SonGoku]

What? no
This reads like superstitious nonsense.

 

[bhunachicken]

I'd drop £399 on a PS5 with the spec they offer. Over that and I'll be hanging on for a bit.

PS5 being PS4 compatible is tempting me into a day 1 purchase, but sometimes those early machines are the ones that have the most issues :|

 

[kraspkibble]

there is no reason to suggest that PS5 will struggle or fail. it's not a tick tock cycle where they do well one gen then struggle the next.

all this fanboy bullshit doesn't interest me anymore. i don't care who "wins" a generation. i'll be buying whichever console has the most exclusives i'm interested in playing and that would be Playstation right now. so let me just tell you....sony could release a PS5 that is significantly weaker/more expensive than the next Xbox and i'll still buy it. now before you think i'm a fan boy...i'd happily buy an Xbox if that had the games i couldn't play anywhere else. the reason i don't think i'll be getting an Xbox is because I have a PC. so technically i already own the next gen Xbox already in fact my PC is probably more powerful than it will be.

at this point i think both consoles will perform almost identically. there will be small differences but nothing major. all it really comes down to is which platform has the most features/exclusive games and price.

I'd drop £399 on a PS5 with the spec they offer. Over that and I'll be hanging on for a bit.

PS5 being PS4 compatible is tempting me into a day 1 purchase, but sometimes those early machines are the ones that have the most issues :|

true of any product. it's not gonna stop me buying day 1 considering i've bought every Playstation console at launch and they had no issues. if my PS5 has an issue i'll just get it replaced by Sony. no big deal.

 

[nani17]

there is no reason to suggest that PS5 will struggle or fail. it's not a tick tock cycle where they do well one gen then struggle the next.

all this fanboy bullshit doesn't interest me anymore. i don't care who "wins" a generation. i'll be buying whichever console has the most exclusives i'm interested in playing and that would be Playstation right now. so let me just tell you....sony could release a PS5 that is significantly weaker/more expensive than the next Xbox and i'll still buy it. now before you think i'm a fan boy...i'd happily buy an Xbox if that had the games i couldn't play anywhere else. the reason i don't think i'll be getting an Xbox is because I have a PC. so technically i already own the next gen Xbox already in fact my PC is probably more powerful than it will be.

at this point i think both consoles will perform almost identically. there will be small differences but nothing major. all it really comes down to is which platform has the most features/exclusive games and price.


true of any product. it's not gonna stop me buying day 1 considering i've bought every Playstation console at launch and they had no issues. if my PS5 has an issue i'll just get it replaced by Sony. no big deal.

I'm probably just buying the PS5 I have a pc also so don't need an Xbox since all the games will be on pc. I also agree exclusives are important if you can't decide between the two systems

 

[SonGoku]

sony could release a PS5 that is significantly weaker/more expensive than the next Xbox and i'll still buy it.

I don't know about that... third parties are a big part of consoles, playing vastly inferior versions doesn't sound fun.
If Sony made a weak PS5 I would wait till a slim/pro revision (mid gen) to get one, after all it takes time for quality exclusives to stack up anyways.

 

[zenspider]

While I agree that 500 bucks is too expensive, I don't think MS is going to come in any cheaper. All thier mindshare this gen came from X being the most powerful console, and I can't imagine them coming in as "the people's console".

I think it does clearly delineate the space for Stradia and any other streaming platforms. As much as GAF naysays, it might be an affordable stopgap if nothing else.

 

[GermanZepp]

9 out of 10 analyst are saying:
Is Sony heading in for another PS3-level disaster?
THE ANSWER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU

 

[Spukc]

yup i think it might be 700 - 900 dollars

 

[Afro Republican]

Well, MS didn't reveal the numbers, which is very telling. MS in the past was very quick to point out Halo sales, but for Halo 5 they're very dodgy. Why? If they're so good, release them, but no they'd just rather not. But I guess you're comfortable with what, 8-10 million in unannounced sales?

It's not real telling at all.

Give me reach, 4, and Halo Mcc Ltd? You don't have them.

Microsoft rarely gives numbers, the 360 is the only time they gave more than a few and we still don't have sales numbers for most bigger fp titles.

Your creating an imaginary scenario where Ms is ashamed of a game that's the best selling exclusive title and is around 10 million sold in all likely hood. How does that logic begin to make sense?,

Your same excuse has been used for the last 10 years, there is no "dodging" conspiracy. Ms rarely gives many software numbers, especially final Ltd. The original 5 million for Halo 5.was leaked beforehand and Ms responded. We likely wouldn't have that if that didn't happen.

The fact remains you don't know Halo 5 numbers so you can't compare them. You're trying to make up a fake conspiracy that's been done to death for years, think of something new.

 

[Afro Republican]

Actually this is the most important generation For Xbox and PlayStation.

This is the generation where ecosystems are trapping consumers deeper and deeper. By the end of next gen or the start of the one after The core buyers will be likely stuck to their chosen system. The ecosystem will make it the last time core buyers will likely think of switching outside some exceptions so this is the last upcoming gen to grab them.

This means at some point Xbox and PlayStation will exclusively be targeting moderate gamers and casuals to increase their installbases.

The PS5 and Xbox 8k are going to be the last time we see significant "console and ecosystem switching" among core gamers.

 

[Acidizer]

Actually this is the most important generation For Xbox and PlayStation.

This is the generation where ecosystems are trapping consumers deeper and deeper. By the end of next gen or the start of the one after The core buyers will be likely stuck to their chosen system. The ecosystem will make it the last time core buyers will likely think of switching outside some exceptions so this is the last upcoming gen to grab them.

This means at some point Xbox and PlayStation will exclusively be targeting moderate gamers and casuals to increase their installbases.

The PS5 and Xbox 8k are going to be the last time we see significant "console and ecosystem switching" among core gamers.

I'd say with BC now confirmed Sony basically has it on lock down already. It will be around 100m PS4's sold by the time PS5 is released. Trophies, username, friends etc carried over from PS3. Now all your PS4 games do too as well for PS5... no-one will want to "start again".

 

[CJY]

Short answer: no

Long answer: hell no

 

[AlexxKidd]

Is Sony doomed?

 

[EverydayBeast]

No.

It's crucial for any console to have a stellar launch, price range or not. Hype is through the roof. PS3 launched into a minefield (Great depression, pushing Blu-Ray etc.) so it's no surprise that it had such a rough launch. To OP's point, the PS3 had it's success, just in its final years, so I won't put that L on SONY, the console ended up producing, and it's just too early to put all that on SONY's shoulders.

PS5 owners will be laughing and smiling when all developers will be contributing to such a bad-ass console.

 

[prinz_valium]

I don't think so.

$499 in 2020 is not the same as $599 in 2006.
Also Backwards compatibility makes the transition smother.

But $499 as the only option is a huge risk, Xbox One learned that the hard way.

 

[Vader1]

Idk, I like the PS3 more than the 4 in terms of games and backwards compatibility.

 

[AlexxKidd]

I'd say with BC now confirmed Sony basically has it on lock down already. It will be around 100m PS4's sold by the time PS5 is released.

It will be around 100 million PS4's sold by July.

 

[Racer!]

I'd say with BC now confirmed Sony basically has it on lock down already. It will be around 100m PS4's sold by the time PS5 is released. Trophies, username, friends etc carried over from PS3. Now all your PS4 games do too as well for PS5... no-one will want to "start again".

Probably closer to 110m PS4`s. If PS5 can autoenhance PS4 games (resolution/framerate) also, I suspect this will be a slam dunk....even if the price is 549$. Faster than SSD speeds in a closed controlled environment like a console has never been explored before. When you can micromanage I/O with predictable fast speeds, it opens up a lot of possibilities gameplay/graphics wise. You can basically fill up the entire framebuffer to any visible scene. Also raw optimized performance in a console is usually 2x compared to PC. With 14 TF, that would roughly be equivalent to a 28 TF PC GPU in performance. Exciting!

 

[Romulus]

It's not real telling at all.

Give me reach, 4, and Halo Mcc Ltd? You don't have them.

Microsoft rarely gives numbers, the 360 is the only time they gave more than a few and we still don't have sales numbers for most bigger fp titles.

Your creating an imaginary scenario where Ms is ashamed of a game that's the best selling exclusive title and is around 10 million sold in all likely hood. How does that logic begin to make sense?,

Your same excuse has been used for the last 10 years, there is no "dodging" conspiracy. Ms rarely gives many software numbers, especially final Ltd. The original 5 million for Halo 5.was leaked beforehand and Ms responded. We likely wouldn't have that if that didn't happen.

The fact remains you don't know Halo 5 numbers so you can't compare them. You're trying to make up a fake conspiracy that's been done to death for years, think of something new.

Conspiracy? Thats an exaggeration. It's just business. They gave halo numbers back then because they were incredibly impressive. That creates buzz for a product. When you dont have anything to create buzz, you shut up. Same reason we dont have concrete xbox one sales from MS. The whole division is in a slump. Why the shift? From one day to the next it's not cool to talk numbers? Halo has been in decline since halo 3 and suddenly numbers are gone? Player counts online have dropped dramatically since 3. What are they going to do, show us and make light that the series is in decline? No. Just go dark.
Even still, Horizon sold 10 million with no multiplayer, no fanbase and launched 2 years after Halo 5.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

lol, what? What Sony hinted revealed sounds sci-fi at the price of 500 usd. Microsoft and Sony are going to be on the same price range.

Anyway, there are so many fails in the OP's argument that you cannot take this seriously. Fingerpointing Sony as if they were the ones thwarting japanese games. Games that don't even show up on other platforms other than PS4 or PC.

I think the only potential red flag is VR. IF they force VR on people is the only potential way it could bad for them. Though I don't think that'll happen because there's enough people at Playstation that remember how much grief the PS3 caused for everyone.

Precisely, VR is a huge factor for PS5 being BC. The anti-VR bias cannot get any wronger than this.

 

[SonGoku]

9 out of 10 analyst are saying:
Is Sony heading in for another PS3-level disaster?
THE ANSWER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU

but is it an EMERGENCY?

 

[lingpanda]

Not with Sony and Microsoft now offering different models to fit multiple budgets. The console and PC market is starting to blend together.

 

[Klayzer]

First, receipts.

Second, you never seen that before? Not in 2013 at all?

Some fans of other consoles have convenient short term memory loss...

 

[Jigsaah]

Actually this is the most important generation For Xbox and PlayStation.

This is the generation where ecosystems are trapping consumers deeper and deeper. By the end of next gen or the start of the one after The core buyers will be likely stuck to their chosen system. The ecosystem will make it the last time core buyers will likely think of switching outside some exceptions so this is the last upcoming gen to grab them.

This means at some point Xbox and PlayStation will exclusively be targeting moderate gamers and casuals to increase their installbases.

The PS5 and Xbox 8k are going to be the last time we see significant "console and ecosystem switching" among core gamers.

I couldn't disagree more with this. While I'll agree with you that both companies are solidifying their install bases. It's been known time and time again that when fallacy occurs, gamers can be very fickle. I should know, I'm one of them. I was Playstation centric for a long time until Xbox Live came along. Now I buy most my games on Xbox, while holding a PS4 for exclusives. I like the community features more on Xbox, I like the stability of the network more on Xbox. I like not getting hacked on Xbox. Now could this change...of course it can and there will always be a battle for the core fans as well as the casuals and moderate market.

 

[Dabaus]

Voost Kain would be proud of the OP -although he left out some capital letters and "(Anti-Consumer)" at the end.

Might be his Alt account?

 

[manfestival]

I imagine we are going to see a $500 ps5. Pushing the boundaries. I do not think they will venture into $600 but they probably got enough data on the ps4 pro that they needed to make the judgement call.

 

[Afro Republican]

I couldn't disagree more with this. While I'll agree with you that both companies are solidifying their install bases. It's been known time and time again that when fallacy occurs, gamers can be very fickle

Gamers that spends a good deal of money on consoles will be trapped into their consoles by the end of next gen because the value will stack up too high.

Conspiracy? Thats an exaggeration. It's just business. They gave halo numbers back then

No they didn't. That's the part you're not getting. In some cases, they gave out some earlier numbers, and that's it. What's Halo anniversary LTD? What's Reaches LTD? What's 4'S LTD? What's 5's LTD? We got Halo 3 numbers because they leaked and MS responded. We got early Halo 5 numbers because another source leaked them and MS responded.

How many LTDS from 360 first-party games can you list in this thread? Not many. You got Gears 3? No? Fable 3? No? How about like 90% of Kinect games? No?

It's a conspiracy because there's no basis to believe a word of it. It's a common poorly though out statement, MS has rarely given us full sales numbers for their first-party games and if they do it's usually earlier and then we don't hear anything after.

Sure there are several exceptions but that's maybe like 2% of the entire FP Xbox library across the 3 consoles. Not to mention, again, Halo 5 is the best selling FP game on the Xbox One, and it being around 10 million would be good news, but as I said, the 5.5 was put out by another source and MS responded.

 

[Afro Republican]

I'd say with BC now confirmed Sony basically has it on lock down already. It will be around 100m PS4's sold by the time PS5 is released. Trophies, username, friends etc carried over from PS3. Now all your PS4 games do too as well for PS5... no-one will want to "start again".

BC doesn't mean anything on the Sony side. It'll help but it's not going to lock anything. MS having a major head start with enhanced BC FP and TP favorites will lock a bit more down if they (likely) keep BC, and while it will do better it still won't lock that many down. BC is good but there's a lot of dealings with third parties to even get those games allowed to be in your BC program. BC with the PS4 ain't going to do much with 100 million people owning a PS4. The Pro doesn't help that either.

If Sony wants effective BC, they need to bring back PSX BC, and maybe find a new solution for PS2 BC.

 

[KiteGr]

Ι'm also worried about the PS5.

The recent puritan approach to Japanese games and their refusal to allow cross-play when every body ales does shows Cockiness on Sony's behalf, and while that first one alone is a reason enough for me to jump ship, I think it's fair to expect from them some new cocky mistake.

It might not have to do with the console's architect this time... (in Fact, I don't think they'll ever do that mistake again.)
I don't think they'll price it to high ether...

It'll be something completely new and unexpected, like:

• Some extreme focus on Online-only or Cloud based games!
• A new strategy that focuses on kid-friendlyness, (thus the recent censorships)
• The abandonment of Retail games!
• A mandatory VR support! Or some other unwanted gadget.
• The closure of some old PS-store (PS3 or PSP) and halt of support for all your "purchases".
• Some complete lack of good 1rst party games, or complete absence of Variety in games.
• Them overlooking some current gaming problem (ex. High cost of Development) that the competitors took measures to deal with.
• ...or it could be none of the above and something truly unexpected.

The point is...
They are definitely in "Ready to screw up" mode.
Their recent actions are already trying my patience.