I disagree with him about Rian Johnson not deserving blame. Rian Johnson deserves as much blame as JJ Abrams, if not more. JJ had ideas of where he was gonna take the story in outlines and Rian Johnson just tossed them aside and took the story in a completely different direction.
But JJ just reshot a new hope which undid the victory of the rebels in RotJ and Han's character development.
JJ and Kasdan made a movie that's legacy hinged on if its sequel delivered on what it set up. If TLJ turned out to be an awesome SW movie like many fans thought...and delivered on answering some of most of the mysteries set up in TFA, along with introducing a few hooks to be resolved in IX.....that would justify TFA's mystery box approach.
Unfortunately TFA needed its sequel to be great and deliver on what TFA set up.
It boggles my mind that after Fisher's passing, they didn't just decide to go back in the editing room and simply omit the Luke disappearing part...such an easy plan B to fall back on. Guarantee that if the message we got at the end is "Luke is back, and he's here to fight another day!!" there would be 2X the buzz for Ep IX.its all shit 100% unfixable at this point. you would have to be able to bring people back from the dead IRL.
Could have been worse, could have been prequel bad.
Canto was worse than the entire screen time of JarJarST makes the prequels look better and better. Canto Bight was sub prequel fare.
Both Kasdan and JJ deserve blame for that. Though I hear production was so rushed that they wrote the script just a few weeks before filming. And that part is on Bob Iger, who admits he insisted on a 2015 release date (JJ kept begging for a May 2016 release date).
JJ and Kasdan made a movie that's legacy hinged on if its sequel delivered on what it set up. If TLJ turned out to be an awesome SW movie like many fans thought...and delivered on answering some of most of the mysteries set up in TFA, along with introducing a few hooks to be resolved in IX.....that would justify TFA's mystery box approach.
ANH didn't need Empire to be great. Empire just made ANH even greater.
Unfortunately TFA needed its sequel to be great and deliver on what TFA set up.
Another example. Captain America The First Avenger was super meh IMO, but because The Winter Soldier and Civil War turned out to be among my favorite MCU movies, they retroactively made me like Captain America The First Avenger a lot more - especially the Bucky and Peggy scenes. If The Winter Soldier sucked...Captain America 1 would still be a mediocre movie to me.
Canto was worse than the entire screen time of JarJar
Can't fix it because the original trilogy was shit as well....hot take central.
People have some nostalgia blockers that prevent them from realizing Star Wars was a happy accident by George Lucas, and he went back and fucked it all up.
You don’t have to reboot it just get rid of KK and ditch most of what sucks. Have Kylo go off on his own and introduce new characters. Star Wars is a huge world it would be easy to pivot away from the current mess.Honestly if you want to fix the current SW... Reboot that dam franchise. I don't see any hope on SW improving and especially having Kathleen Kennedy onboard.
yeah it's too bad he went back and fucked up... a happy accident... that was already shit(???) /sCan't fix it because the original trilogy was shit as well....hot take central.
People have some nostalgia blockers that prevent them from realizing Star Wars was a happy accident by George Lucas, and he went back and fucked it all up.
yeah it's too bad he went back and fucked up... a happy accident... that was already shit(???) /s
great opinion!
Star Wars still has a lot of universe to explore, I think the franchise will be fine.
Yeah, they are both top grade idiots who will be known for lens-flares and ruining one of the greatest Golden Geese that has ever existed.But JJ just reshot a new hope which undid the victory of the rebels in RotJ and Han's character development.
The ST made me appreciate the PT, and Sith is genuinely good.You serious, Clarke? Prequels were shit, but the last jedi destroyed the entire ST and fucked with every character from the OT
they spent $300 million to make the Force Awakens. where did that money go?
Godzilla is more comparable to the 007 franchise IMO.Sometimes, I'm glad I prefer Godzilla rather than Star Wars. Us Godzilla fans shrug off anything bad that happened to our franchise and continue discussing what we love about it.
TFA was entertaining enough for people to overlook the bad setup. but i think blaming JJ on RJ's failure is a cop out. people liked that movie well enough. sure there are people that think canon SW is only sourced from GL but you cannot help this. he was the original creator.
TLJ ripped off the OT just as much, only with airquotes around everything. if he wanted to really subvert expectations, he would have had Luke throw away the lightsaber and leave and not be featured again all film. then instead of devoting an hour to a poor copy of Empire's Dagoba section, that time could have been spent introducing new characters, or having all of our new characters spend more time together. the could have fit two 30 minute segments introducing new worlds and locations and lore. instead we waste time redoing 1/3rd of Empire.
Luke is ruined in a number of ways. first of all, this film establishes that using the force can kill you for the first time, through his precedent. Obi Wan or Qui Gon never warned "don't use too much force or you will die" but suddenly that shit is now canon. to me this sets an icky and weird precedent. essentially Jedi can now be spiritual suicide bombers. you can tap into the force, and use it to have great powers, but it may cost you your life. tbh i don't buy any of the "he was non-violent" bs, his last moments include cursing that "The war will never be over", and he died so that he could threaten his nephew with endless war. this is a person children should idolize?
Luke is ruined. Leia is incompetent. Chewie is a prop. Han got out early (not early enough to avoid JJ's lame cgi tentacle monsters). R2 is to be belittled and kept under a sheet. they done fucked it up.
i will see a Star Wars again if they finally hire Stephen Spielberg to direct. otherwise count me out. if RJ's new trilogy has writing similar to his first entry, I will gladly skip it.
The only way to save it is to use the "nuclear option" and simply ignore this trilogy and give us the "real" Episodes 7, 8 and 9.
It's cheating and wonky as hell, but sometimes it's a necessity to save a franchise, like Halloween.
No it’s not fair to say at all. Star Wars blew people away in theaters when it came out. Like jaws on the floor. ROTJ did as well. The most controversial was ESB. This revisionist history bullshit (that’s what it is bullshit) needs to stop. Star Wars is rightfully considered a classic and redefined the genre when it came out.I think it's fair to say that Star Wars has never been good. I sought out some negative reviews of the original trilogy and I agree with all of the criticism if I suppress my childish memories. Star Wars shouldn't be saved, it should ve taken outside and shot in the head.