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Great advice for those who suck at fighting games

Step one is to stop giving a shit about your rank.

It's literally meaningless, it has absolutely no bearing on your gameplay and, not to be a jerk or anything, but no one finds mid green ranks impressive so it's not like you're going to lose bragging points if you rank down.

Step two is to change the way you view yourself as a Tekken player.

The hard truth is that you are hot garbage. I'm garbage. 99% of this subreddit is garbage. We're all bottom feeding specks that wouldn't stand a chance against the upper echelons in this game. This in turn leaves you with two options; if you want to become the best of the best or whatever, the only way you're going to get there is through accepting that you need to lose in order to learn and that it's going to take a shitload of time. If you instead accept that you're not going to reach that level and that that's not really your goal, then accept that you will improve at your own pace without any pressure, which of course will also mean losing a lot of games.

Step three is to change the way you approach losing/playing ranked.

As stated above, your rank is utterly meaningless. It has no benefits, no one cares about it but you, and it can be super misleading, so it's doubly meaningless.

What you should do is view your rank as a measure of your improvement, nothing else. If you are playing to rank up, that will incentivize you to avoid fighting players that are better than you or characters you are unfamiliar with. Instead, you'll look for players that you can beat, either because they are worse than you or because they don't know how to deal with your character/gameplan. This will make you a worse player, because it will reinforce all of your negative habits without ever letting you learn new skills.

When you play, you shouldn't be avoiding tough opponents or difficult match-ups. Play them and instead of just focusing on winning and getting mad when you lose, think about why you're losing. What is the opponent doing that is giving you trouble? Which things that you are doing aren't working? What could you do instead? Dare to experiment in the match. Every move has a weakness, the stronger it seems, the bigger the weakness. Try different things to get around the opponent. After you've played a few games, head into training mode and set the dummy to do what your opponent was doing and figure out how to beat it. Explore your own character's options and moves in order to vary your gameplan.

Sometimes you get unlucky. You run into a bunch of characters you don't know how to deal with, or players that are better than you, and you go down a few ranks. If you view these as learning opportunities however, you'll shoot back up through the ranks you lose.

I used to get really mad when losing too. It's inevitable. If you care about your rank or you tie your self-worth as a person or as a Tekken player to losses in ranked mode you will get super upset, because a lot of times you get blown up by things you simply don't understand. You know there's something you could be doing to beat the opponent, but you don't know what it is, and you know they're getting away with murder. These losses are the worst if you have the wrong mind-set, but if you change the way you think, they'll be the most rewarding, because you'll always know what you need to improve.
 

royox

Member
This actually helped me. I Love DB FighterZ but Im very VERY discouraged every time i get rekt by a pro player and I stopped playing. I still watch videos of good players and while I'm amazed all I feel is "i will never be this good". Also I'm a "rager" and I get very angry during matches cause I can be very VERY absorbed into the game and for me is very intense. Should play more chilled and to have fun.
 

Life

Member
This actually helped me. I Love DB FighterZ but Im very VERY discouraged every time i get rekt by a pro player and I stopped playing. I still watch videos of good players and while I'm amazed all I feel is "i will never be this good". Also I'm a "rager" and I get very angry during matches cause I can be very VERY absorbed into the game and for me is very intense. Should play more chilled and to have fun.

Playing against ragers offline has to be the hardest thing to do in a fighting game. By winning you kind of know that you're gonna trigger them - so after a few matches of winning I usually just stop playing them. I don't rage offline but online, it can happen - depending on the fighting game. I quit SF5 after a year or so, and I've never looked back. That game made me rage like no other online...and I felt cheated so much of the time - both in the game, and also outside of it - robbing any good mood I was in. SF4 didn't make me rage like that, nor have other fighting game,s actually.

As for Tekken - it's probably the hardest fighting game out there in my opinion. Not the hardest to play and have fun with - but the hardest to become above average at. Way too many characters and specific punishes,movements you must memorize against each opponent. I respect the ones who have dedicated their time to it - and distinguished themselves, but if you're studying/working/family man - I wouldnt' recommend you follow in those footsteps as it's very time consuming and the rewards are uncertain.
 
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Murr

Member
What worked for me in 1v1 competitive mp is:

Take an account that you feel comfortable downranking on. Best is of course the main account, but i understand that there can be social pressures involved. Like friends, who are high ranked etc.
Then give yourself some fun challenge, that will make you lose the game or just drink some beer while you play or something like that. Basically get used to losing without stressing too much over it.
If you feel that playing on your main account stresses you, just kick back an play for fun again. And in the long run try to stay more calm during the game. Listen to music you like etc.

Might not be the best advise, if you want to become pro, but it helped me to enjoy WC3 TFT when i played it.
 

zenspider

Member
Good advice, bit I think 1 and 3 kind of contradict each other. I think you should give a shit about rank after you can take on Step Three.

Every fighting game has a gauntlet of terrible players at the bottom - terrible players who can destroy you.

Low ranks at once teach you bad habits, and expose your bad fundamentals. We can call it the 'Ghandi principle'. For those unfamilar, here's the match:



And here's valuable insight from UltraDavid's analysis of the match:



It's really the "scrub" mentality that needs to be overcome - that you should have won because of what you know, as opposed to knowing how you could have won, and learning from why you didn't. When that's done, your realize your rank isn't about you, but about who your competition is.
 

GV82

Member
I have a weird issue where I cannot stand to play 2D fighters with a stick, it feels wrong for some reason, despite being old enough that that’s how I played in arcades, but now since consoles I prefer a d-pad.

On the other hand I prefer a fight Stick for 3D fighters like Tekken or Soulcalibur it feels right to me, I feel like a stick gives you great control in the 3D space.

Am I doing it wrong or is it okay to have separate preference like this?
 
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FMXVII

Member
Step -10 on Block:

Don't even bother starting up Tekken.

It isn't even the sheer number of moves and, well... STEPS e.g. Snake, invovled, but a cast to make a 90s action epic resentful of the "extras" budget.
 

Helios

Member
I'm garbage. 99% of this subreddit is garbage.
Step four
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FMXVII

Member
Your avatar is perfect for that video.

Man, I hope none of the “toxic masculinity” researchers get ahold of that footage.

There is nothing toxic about Viscant.

Except maybe his dating choices.

This also happens to spill over into whom he chooses to make his bitch (see: LTG).

Nothin' toxic about Viscant, nothin' masculine about LTG.
 

TacosNSalsa

Member
Good advice, bit I think 1 and 3 kind of contradict each other. I think you should give a shit about rank after you can take on Step Three.

Every fighting game has a gauntlet of terrible players at the bottom - terrible players who can destroy you.

Low ranks at once teach you bad habits, and expose your bad fundamentals. We can call it the 'Ghandi principle'. For those unfamilar, here's the match:



And here's valuable insight from UltraDavid's analysis of the match:



It's really the "scrub" mentality that needs to be overcome - that you should have won because of what you know, as opposed to knowing how you could have won, and learning from why you didn't. When that's done, your realize your rank isn't about you, but about who your competition is.

That Ghandi match is the perfect example of someone learning how to dunk before they can even dribble properly .

I've given up trying to show people how to approach fighting games as what the OP posted has been said time and time and time again and some people just never learn , so you just throw up your hands and just say have fun
 

Whitesnake

Banned
Step 1: Pick up Tekken and main a Mishima

Step 2: Learn about EWGF and attempt to do it

Step 3: Attempt to do EWGF until your hand feels broken and yet you still can’t do it consistently

Step 4: Cry yourself to sleep because you’ve realized that you will never be able to consistently do EWGF

Step 5: Drop Tekken
 

petran79

Banned
8 years ago I used to have fun on Supercade before it was abandoned by Damdai and the old GGPO too. Used to play and get tips from tournament players from time to time, eg Dyne in Vampire Savior, Diar in Jojo, a guy from Sweden in Breakers Revenge in Supercade and Garou in both platforms. Even took part in online tournaments, usually without winning any match.
Do not frequent Fightcade as much, does not feel the same. Most of the players I played against stopped too

Only play offline ever since
 
I think most people have a point where their skill more or less plateaus, if you've really put yourself into things. At that point, it's more a matter of finding competitive opponents that are around your level if you want the most fun imo. Otherwise you're either beating someone senseless or getting your own shit pushed in.
 

Saber

Gold Member
I have one tip for those who think their fighting skills are bad.

Play Dragonball Fighter Z.

That game is SO stupid easy that its rather offending. I gave up that game so easly because I never felt any kind of challenge or reward from my playing skills. Its basically one button.
 

Gargus

Banned
I used to be pretty good when I was younger and played tons of them. Tekken 3, mvc2, killer instinct, and soul calibur were my favorites but I liked a lot of them. Even time killers was fun.

Now years later I buy one that looks interesting and I just am completely terrible at it, embarrassingly bad in fact. But I think it's just my tastes have changed and I just don't like them as much. Last one I bought was mortal kombat XL because Jason and the alien sounded fun. I spent more doing the crypt first person part more than anything else because it reminded me of legend of grimrock which I loved and can't find anything I enjoy as much like it.

So for me maybe I can't get better despite trying simply because deep down I don't want to.
 

Ten_Fold

Member
We have tons of guides and YouTube videos on basically any character you wanna play in a fighter, read and watch some guides, hit training mode to learn some basic stuff(don’t need advanced stuff yet) learn how the game is suppose to be played like mechanics, and when you should or shouldn’t do something, and lastly watch replays when you lose because at first you will lose most of your matches before you understand what you should be doing. Most fighters let you view replays of other players so look at high rank players and watch how they approach a match up you have trouble with. Last don’t take it too seriously unless you want to be a pro.
 
I’ve been playing fighting games for a healthy portion of my life and admittedly they still can be very difficult especially with the rise of tournament players. They require a plethora of patience, quick reflexes and dedication which most casual gamers lack.

Some gamers nowadays go on YouTube and other sources and study frame data and emulate what the professionals are doing which make things more challenging for the average gamer. Is it any coincidence that literally every Tekken King player has the same powerbomb combo? Online resources has made learning fighting games a little more accessible and understandable yet also harder as well I feel.

Playing people in real life on your level can help and it allows room for experimentation and learning strengths/weaknesses. I don’t have anyone in real life to play fighting games with sadly, so it’s all online for me if I want to experiment. Stick with a character, try to master a basic combo and study the fundamentals. Eventually, try to build on this and try to not get intimidated.
 
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It's really the "scrub" mentality that needs to be overcome - that you should have won because of what you know, as opposed to knowing how you could have won, and learning from why you didn't. When that's done, your realize your rank isn't about you, but about who your competition is.

I've given up trying to show people how to approach fighting games as what the OP posted has been said time and time and time again and some people just never learn , so you just throw up your hands and just say have fun

Great stuff, learning how to deal with fighting games properly and the attitude you need to have towards it is like most other things you want to master. You need fundamentals and if you want to learn something properly you need to figure out what those fundamentals are. When you draw you need fundamentals if you're ever going to actually become good, in sports you need good form etc.

In fighting games you end up researching and practicing:

- How to move efficiently (You can move around sure, but are you efficient?)
- The value of normals (normal attacks and not special attacks)
- Spacing (what is the optimal distance for your character & when you're doing normals)
- Attacking & Defending (when do you attack? when do you defend?)
- Realizing patterns and learning on the fly (you're falling for the same tricks, stop and implement counter-measures)

All this said, there is nothing worse than spending all the time you've spent learning fundamentals and your own character , to end up beat by n00b-tactics. But you only really have yourself to blame for that.
It's your failure for not being able to adapt ^^ I've been in those situations plenty myself.
 

Soltype

Member
And then stop playing Tekken and start playing Virtua Fighter (or the first Soul Calibur). <3
This is literally the best advice you can take.I used to be heavy in the Florida Tekken scene, until I played VF4:Evo.There's definitely more people to play in Tekken, but the core has problems and they keep building on a shaky foundation.
 

Hostile_18

Banned
I'm just learning Street Fighter 5 at the moment. Are the combos harder in that to learn? On the challenges I can get up to about 6 of 10 then it seems too hard. It's not been able to punch out the moves but how quick you have to link everything together.

I can do pretty much everything in NRS games easily.

Anyway my general advice would be:

- Block is your best friend.
- Learn one good combo for your character.
- Learn at least one zoning special move.
- Mix up your attacks with at least one high, one low (so if a person blocks one way, attack the other).
- Use throws occasionally to keep your opponent guessing.
- Know when to use your super and when to leave it (when the round is a lost cause).
- Stick to casual matches for a long time before entering ranked matches.
 

Hostile_18

Banned
Nah, just play them vs your buddies who are with in the same room as you and suck equally as bad.

Just avoid the online.

I'm some respects learning a fighting game ruins offline play as you quickly become too good against your friends.... I'm banished from ever using Jade (MK 11) and Aquaman (Injustice 2) in offline play, my friends are lucky to get a hit in lol.
 
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