Physiognomonics
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Respectively about 56 CUs and 40CUs (with 8 cores Zen 2 for the CPU). But 4 CUs will be deactivated in the retail consoles so that will make 52 CUs and 36 CUs.
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CrustyBritches
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1. Arcturus is a Radeon Pro/Instinct GPU with no graphics support
2. AMD stated that they never said it was Post-Navi or even Post-GCN
3. The rumor came from this screengrab, where they couldn't even be assed to spell "Scarlett" correctly(just noticed this)
5. Half this forum thinks PS5 will be getting 64CUs or greater
6. Scarlett is more likely to be Arden, or even Flute(I think this is a PS5 platform codename), than any of this Arcturus or Rembrandt shit
7. AMD has yet to bring big APUs to the desktop market. Current desktop APUs are about as powerful as a Xbox One or PS4
2. AMD stated that they never said it was Post-Navi or even Post-GCN
3. The rumor came from this screengrab, where they couldn't even be assed to spell "Scarlett" correctly(just noticed this)
4. Why bring MisterXMedia into this?
5. Half this forum thinks PS5 will be getting 64CUs or greater
6. Scarlett is more likely to be Arden, or even Flute(I think this is a PS5 platform codename), than any of this Arcturus or Rembrandt shit
7. AMD has yet to bring big APUs to the desktop market. Current desktop APUs are about as powerful as a Xbox One or PS4
Aceofspades
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Have you based this on the pool result? Its weird because the pool is about "next gen consoles" not only PS5. I also believe its skewed by Xbox fanatics who thinks MS unlimited cash can do everything.
I agree with you on the other points though.
Aceofspades
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The problem is the lower next-gen baseline, assuming devs want to target higher than that.
Or maybe MS will keep releasing cross-gen games. Cheaper games for Game Pass, since game dev costs will be lower.
Either way, they need to make up their minds. All this flip-flopping is annoying IMHO.
FrostyJ93
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I mean its their job either way doesn't really matter. But I agree they need to make their mind up soon.
Assuming they go through with it I imagine itll be a "one more thing" announcement at E3.
bitbydeath
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Last time it was shelved due to developers not wanting to support an additional console.
Xbox Lockhart Shelved After Unexpected Developer Feedback | SegmentNext
The new Xbox Lockhart is no longer in development. Under Project Xbox Scarlett, Ananconda is the sole console left but why? Here's why.
segmentnext.com
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Imtjnotu
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Switch 2 is rdna 3 confirmed
Lort
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So if the die sizes are correct then xbox could be 40% faster gpu?
Theres speculation if PS has HBM then will have smaller mem controller size but that didnt seem to be reflected in the leaks that quoted die size. ( unless i remember wrong .. it was a different leak not the one that almost seems verified ).
btw anyone quote 14 tf for either console is obviously wrong.
TLZ
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Let's assume any of them use 5nm. How would it help powerwise?
StreetsofBeige
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OK tech experts.....
What ballpark specs and TF would PS5 or Scarlett need to do this:
- 4k native
- 60 fps
- Next gen visuals (a bump up from now)
- I guess add in raytracing as standard in games, since that's the new graphics fad
Is that famed rumoured ~12TF enough assuming the cpu, gpu and ram are decently good?
What ballpark specs and TF would PS5 or Scarlett need to do this:
- 4k native
- 60 fps
- Next gen visuals (a bump up from now)
- I guess add in raytracing as standard in games, since that's the new graphics fad
Is that famed rumoured ~12TF enough assuming the cpu, gpu and ram are decently good?
Negotiator
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5nm offers 1.8x transistor density compared to 7nm.
Aceofspades
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Not necessarily, PS4 had smaller die yet it was more powerful than Xbox one.
Die size can be influenced by a lot of factors, like Ram, CPU cache ... etc.
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Sosokrates
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No, we have debunked this myth way too many times already:
https://adoredtv.com/zen2-chiplet-quality-examined-by-cost/ (spoiler alert: it's a $30 CPU with 7nm chiplet + 12nm I/O die, it's gonna be even smaller in a monolithic 7nm APU die)
You're not paying on the basis if it's a netbook or desktop IP, you're paying on the basis of die size.
8-core Zen @ 7nm requires roughly the same amount of die space as 8-core Jaguar @ 28nm.SonGoku had done the calculations long time ago.
Oh, I thought relative performance would factor into the cost, I mean ms/Sony still pay amd for the design and rights to fab it.
Sosokrates
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I also like the idea of lockhart, 1080p is still very good for gaming especially with today's AA techniques.
There are also many gamers who would be fine with 1080p
Mass Shift
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It would be kind of hard to accuse MS of flip flopping. If the so called insiders don't know what MS is up to then they just don't know.
Be annoyed with the leakers. MS isn't throwing off and on switches, they're sticking whatever they have planned all along. If Lockhart is a thing, it always WAS a thing. There was never any proof it ever was or wasn't.
I tend to think the significance of the X1X mobo in the Scarlett announcement vid points to what the origins of what Lockhart may be. And I'm going to once again speculate that Lockhart IF IT EVEN EXISTS is entirely mobile. A 4TF (7TF GCN equivalent) tablet based system with a built in hub for XCloud and Game Pass.
FrostyJ93
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I imagine it wouldn't have hardware RT though.
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bitbydeath
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Next years Ray Tracing GPU’s are expected to be 7nm+.
TSMC's 7nm+ EUV is in production, improves performance by 10%
Despite how young 7nm technologies are, having yet to appear in a single laptop or desktop, they are already superseded by 7nm+.
www.techspot.com
Sosokrates
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I don't see why not.
It would play the same games as the scarlett but just at a reduced resolution.
I mean to run Battlefield 5 at 4k with RT and at 1080p takes pretty different hardware.
I also don't get why devs are complaining about it, it's not like pc gamers are going to abandon 1080p.
FrostyJ93
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And if Lockhart is a thing I guess One X and One S disc version are going bye bye.
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They already pay a lot of money upfront (it keeps AMD afloat and it funds their R&D):
Xbox One deal worth more than $3 billion to AMD, claims former VP
AMD secured a deal to provide Microsoft with the silicon to power its new Xbox One console, and a former AMD VP claims that the deal is worth in excess of $3 billion.
www.zdnet.com
Paying a premium over the die would be preposterous. We're talking about console economies of scale here, not off-the-shelf PC parts from Amazon/Newegg.
I'm not annoyed with the messenger, I'm annoyed with the employee who is "feeding" them.It would be kind of hard to accuse MS of flip flopping. If the so called insiders don't know what MS is up to then they just don't know.
Be annoyed with the leakers. MS isn't throwing off and on switches, they're sticking whatever they have planned all along. If Lockhart is a thing, it always WAS a thing. There was never any proof it ever was or wasn't.
Controlled leaks and whatnot.A mobile 4TF (FP32) tablet SoC? You sure about that? What about DRAM? GDDRX isn't a good fit for mobile devices.
To me it seems more like a sub-70W APU, kinda like Slim consoles.
Sosokrates
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They already pay a lot of money upfront (it keeps AMD afloat and it funds their R&D):
Xbox One deal worth more than $3 billion to AMD, claims former VP
AMD secured a deal to provide Microsoft with the silicon to power its new Xbox One console, and a former AMD VP claims that the deal is worth in excess of $3 billion.
Paying a premium over the die would be preposterous. We're talking about console economies of scale here, not off-the-shelf PC parts from Amazon/Newegg.
I'm not annoyed with the messenger, I'm annoyed with the employee who is "feeding" them.
A mobile 4TF (FP32) tablet SoC? You sure about that? What about DRAM? GDDRX isn't a good fit for mobile devices.
To me it seems more like a sub-70W APU, kinda like Slim consoles.
Yeah no doubt zen 2 will be more expensive.
StreetsofBeige
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MS got robbed on that AMD deal. $3 billion to design a $400 console at 1.3TF (excluding Kinect)? Ouch.
Sosokrates
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I would take the figures Sony or MS give on the cost of things with a grain of salt, these things are easily manipulated.
FrostyJ93
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Just buy anaconda and pretend lockhart doesn't exist. Your games will look perfectly fine.
Fake
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Will be a fucking mess you know...
I mean, where Xbox One X will be?
A weaker version of a weaker next gen model or a better version than a weaker next gen model?
Maybe its just be, but this is a terrible business choise.
FrostyJ93
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IF they do this One X will probably be discontinued.
CrustyBritches
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Was Lockhart ever even confirmed by MS? Funny it's been leaked, cancelled, and un-cancelled while possibly never even existing.
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Fake
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Hope so, but still very very confuding take into consideration they sell the Xbox One S and Xbox One SAD.
FrostyJ93
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My guess would be disc based one s and one x get discontinued. One S All Digital gets price cut. Lockhart $300-400 and anaconda $500-600.
Fake
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Was a brief talk from Phill in previous E3 if I remember right.
'next Xboxs'. Rich from DF mention that .
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Fake
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I still keep my opinion about confuse the consumer. Countries like USA will be easy to remove from selling those products. In others countries for example here in Brazil they still sell the old Xbox One and even the not revision dualshock 4.
Negotiator
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Maybe MS is trying to "jebait" Sony into releasing a $299 SKU.
Take caution with the leaks.
Take caution with the leaks.
Lone Wolf
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Pro and One X are most likely discontinued before they do any revision. They will keep the base consoles around, but if you want “enhanced” on your ps4 and X1 games, they want you buying PS5 and Scarlet.
Fake
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I dunno about that. You see, some third parties are really targeting the PRO and X rather than base models.
I already posted here my take about that... About base ps4 and xbox one both getting discontinued, while PRO and X take their place and PS5/Scarlet become the premium models.
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CrustyBritches
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Was this before or after Xbox SAD?
Fake
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Can't remember, but DF made a video about that.
Audiophile
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While I agree with your point, there is one wildcard and that's that temporal reconstruction @ 60fps will be much better than temporal reconstruction @ 30fps.
Double the samples for reconstruction means less artefacts and more convincing results. Most people would probably be hard-pressed to tell the spatial resolution difference between 1512p + jitter/temporal injection derived from 60 samples and a native resolution of 2160p at 30fps; plus, with the latter, the increase in temporal resolution increases your perception of spatial resolution, you'll have inherently smoother motion and controls have the potential to feel more responsive.
Again, I agree, 60 will never be standard and is unlikely to become dominant: prettier images = more marketable. But, I think we may see larger proportion relative to last gen, with scenarios like I've mentioned above swaying some developers, as well as a more balanced CPU/GPU setup.
Fake
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I recommend you watch the full video because is really good sumary.
But if you want the part he talk about two scarlets: 4:15
CrustyBritches
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