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[Thanati]

So, I actually purchased a Stadia founder edition and thought I’d post some thoughts regarding the whole thing.

Day 1 - setup

I was one of the lucky ones and received my code, all good. Setting up though was a nightmare! I couldn’t get the controller linked with the chromecast and no matter what I tried, I couldn’t get it working. I quit.

Day 2 - 2nd attempt

I got the controller linked and fired up Destiny and, I have to admit, I was impressed. I did a lot of ‘tests’ where I’d press a button and see how long it took to react and it was fine, no issues. I played for around 30 mins and after the first few minutes, I completely forgot I was playing in Stadia, it just felt like playing on a local console. It was that good.

Day 3

Fired up mortal kombat 11. Again, no problem at all. I had a blast and aside from one or two stutters, it was fine.

Day 4 - the ah-ha moment

I wanted to play some world of warships on my PC (yeah, yeah, sue me. I like it ) and hadn’t logged in for around 2 weeks. The first thing that greets me is a huge update which takes (in total) around 45 - 50 mins to download and update. Urgh.

Being a parent, I often only have a limited amount of time to game and I was somewhat peeved. However, that’s when I remembered I had Stadia and fired up Destiny. Sure enough, I was playing within moments and it was all good. I loved the fact I didn’t have to bother with downloads.

This one moment sold me. Sure, time will tell regarding the service but at that exact moment, I was more than happy with it.

Now, I do have a relatively fast connection (200 up and down on unlimited) but if someone had said to me 10 years ago that this would be possible, I’d have laughed at them. Hell, I remember playing unreal tournament on my 56k modem!

I know there are a lot of haters out there, but I thought I’d share this with you all.

 

[gifgaf]

but if someone had said to me 10 years ago that this would be possible, I’d have laughed at them.

I was playing Onlive over 10 years ago, lost some games that I paid for due to it closing down, not that I minded that much I hardly used it but it is a worry for me now.

 

[Thanati]

I was playing Onlive over 10 years ago, lost some games that I paid for due to it closing down, not that I minded that much I hardly used it but it is a worry for me now.

I was never in a place where I could have used it, so that wasn’t an option for me

 

[gifgaf]

I was never in a place where I could have used it, so that wasn’t an option for me

Stadia is probably much better anyway.

 

[Nydus]

What TV do you use?

 

[Thanati]

What TV do you use?

hmmm. It’s a 1080p Samsung. Around 9 years old.

 

[Deleted member 740922]

I know there are a lot of haters out there, but I thought I’d share this with you all.

So.... out of 4 days, Day 1 - when the excitement should be at the highest - was a complete write-off, you had 30 minutes gaming time on Day 2, Day 3 had some gaming but it was stuttery at times and Day 4 you had to play something you didn't really want to play at first.


It sounds......awful

 

[Jigsaah]

So, I actually purchased a Stadia founder edition and thought I’d post some thoughts regarding the whole thing.

Day 1 - setup

I was one of the lucky ones and received my code, all good. Setting up though was a nightmare! I couldn’t get the controller linked with the chromecast and no matter what I tried, I couldn’t get it working. I quit.

Day 2 - 2nd attempt

I got the controller linked and fired up Destiny and, I have to admit, I was impressed. I did a lot of ‘tests’ where I’d press a button and see how long it took to react and it was fine, no issues. I played for around 30 mins and after the first few minutes, I completely forgot I was playing in Stadia, it just felt like playing on a local console. It was that good.

Day 3

Fired up mortal kombat 11. Again, no problem at all. I had a blast and aside from one or two stutters, it was fine.

Day 4 - the ah-ha moment

I wanted to play some world of warships on my PC (yeah, yeah, sue me. I like it ) and hadn’t logged in for around 2 weeks. The first thing that greets me is a huge update which takes (in total) around 45 - 50 mins to download and update. Urgh.

Being a parent, I often only have a limited amount of time to game and I was somewhat peeved. However, that’s when I remembered I had Stadia and fired up Destiny. Sure enough, I was playing within moments and it was all good. I loved the fact I didn’t have to bother with downloads.

This one moment sold me. Sure, time will tell regarding the service but at that exact moment, I was more than happy with it.

Now, I do have a relatively fast connection (200 up and down on unlimited) but if someone had said to me 10 years ago that this would be possible, I’d have laughed at them. Hell, I remember playing unreal tournament on my 56k modem!

I know there are a lot of haters out there, but I thought I’d share this with you all.

Hey, fuck Stadia...but don't you ever apologize for playing World of Warships. That game is awesome!

 

[ethomaz]

Well I don't believe you at all in the part that it was like local.
I do remote play with Destiny in local network and you can see the delay... you get used to it but in Crucible it is really awful because you always get hit before your shot happens.

 

[Soltype]

It's perfect for common gamers, but for enthusiasts it's a joke.

 

[Thanati]

Hey, fuck Stadia...but don't you ever apologize for playing World of Warships. That game is awesome!

I’d have said the same thing a few months ago (about Stadia) but I’m really happy with it.

As for world of warships? Yeah, it’s awesome

 

[ethomaz]

Using actual data.

Yeap... no.
Stadia close to double the input lag.
I read on consoles the input lag is around 100ms for Destiny.

 

[Thanati]

It's perfect for common gamers, but for enthusiasts it's a joke.

I disagree. I’d consider myself an ‘enthusiast’ as you say, even though my gaming time is sometimes broken, but it was a great experience. I’m going to try another title this weekend and will let you know.

I’m not entirely sure why there’s so much hate.

 

[Lupin3]

I wanted to play some world of warships on my PC (yeah, yeah, sue me. I like it ) and hadn’t logged in for around 2 weeks. The first thing that greets me is a huge update which takes (in total) around 45 - 50 mins to download and update. Urgh.

I'm "only" on 250 and I download any kind of updates in no time. Big or small. Are the Warships servers slow or anything?

 

[Thanati]

Using actual data.

Yeap... no.
Stadia close to double the input lag.
I read on consoles the input lag is around 100ms for Destiny.

I’ll setup a recording and show my experience. I never experienced any of the input lag.

not sure why you don’t believe me.

oh well

 

[ethomaz]

I’ll setup a recording and show my experience. I never experienced any of the input lag.

not sure why you don’t believe me.

oh well

Because the input lag is proved way higher than local.
When recording please show the controller that way I can show you how much input lag are you facing.

 

[Thanati]

Because the input lag is proved way higher than local.
When recording please show the controller.

will do. I’ll record the whole experience for you.

 

[Clarissa]

Using actual data.

Yeap... no.
Stadia close to double the input lag.
I read on consoles the input lag is around 100ms for Destiny.

279ms is around 17 frame input lag. Why would anyone torture themselves with this kind of lag? I need to have snappy controls in my games.

I can even feel the difference when I play street fighter on my TV with 20ms input lag and on my monitor with 5ms input lag.

 

[Bryank75]

I disagree. I’d consider myself an ‘enthusiast’ as you say, even though my gaming time is sometimes broken, but it was a great experience. I’m going to try another title this weekend and will let you know.

I’m not entirely sure why there’s so much hate.

Maybe you did have a good experience but after the countless reviews I've read, it is obvious that you are one of the very lucky ones. Someones enjoyment really shouldn't depend on luck.... that is what Console and PC will always have over streaming.... consistency no matter the conditions.

It's no good if 1 person in 100 is really enjoying the service.... that is a failure in my opinion.

 

[Thanati]

I'm "only" on 250 and I download any kind of updates in no time. Big or small. Are the Warships servers slow or anything?

Not sure. All I know was that the update took around 45 minutes.

 

[Insane Metal]

Using actual data.

Yeap... no.
Stadia close to double the input lag.
I read on consoles the input lag is around 100ms for Destiny.

Holy shit that's unbearable. A big nope. I can't play ANY game on my KS7000 without game mode (where input lag goes up to 130ms), imagine double that amount! Fuck no!

 

[Ixiah]

Hows your Chromecast, does it overheat ?

 

[Romulus]

It's perfect for common gamers, but for enthusiasts it's a joke.

This is exactly why it will survive and slowly grow.

 

[Ballthyrm]

The problem with Stadia is that the technology is ready but the bandwidth isn't.
With 5G and space internet, i expect all that stuff to dissapear.

It's really the ISP fault, not Google's, at least on the experience side.
As for the current offering, it's a big joke, they are going to get rolled over by MS and Sony.

Content is king baby !

 

[Thanati]

Hows your Chromecast, does it overheat ?

it was warm, but not hot at all.

 

[Phase]

If all of the other problems didn't scare me away, input lag would. I used to use wired controllers simply because I could feel the added input lag on wireless. Thankfully they're basically equal now.

Unless there's virtually no input lag I'll never consider it. Romulus has the right idea. If they can change their pricing model to only having a subscription like every other streaming service they have a platform already set up for casual gaming where input delay rarely matters.

 

[Thanati]

Holy shit that's unbearable. A big nope. I can't play ANY game on my KS7000 without game mode (where input lag goes up to 130ms), imagine double that amount! Fuck no!

as I said, I never encountered that kind of lag.
What’s the source of those figures?

 

[ethomaz]

Holy shit that's unbearable. A big nope. I can't play ANY game on my KS7000 without game mode (where input lag goes up to 130ms), imagine double that amount! Fuck no!

I'm not sure if he was luck at all.
You know there are marketing guys in all places.
While he didn't show evidence I will hold the beneficie of doubt.

 

[Azelover]

This is exactly why it will survive and slowly grow.

Maybe that bodes well for the technology. But Stadia's price structure isn't ideal. And they don't have enough key games. They focused too much on the technology. There will be competition using this technology, namely Microsoft and Sony, and they will probably be offering a better proposal, compared to Stadia.

 

[MadAnon]

Their business model sucks but everything else has been severly overblown out of pure hate against streaming. From technical standpoint it actually works very well. At least for casual gaming.

 

[Thanati]

I'm not sure if he was luck at all.
You know there are marketing guys in all places.
While he didn't show evidence I will hold the beneficie of doubt.

give me until Monday (I’m away with the family until then).

 

[ethomaz]

give me until Monday (I’m away with the family until then).

No problem.
Thanks BTW.

 

[Thanati]

Their business model sucks but everything else has been severly overblown out of pure hate against streaming. From technical standpoint it actually works very well.

I agree with this 100%! They need to fix it for sure!

 

[Thanati]

No problem.
Thanks BTW.

No problem at all! Happy to help.

 

[Romulus]

Maybe that bodes well for the technology. But Stadia's price structure isn't ideal. And they don't have enough key games. They focused too much on the technology. There will be competition using this technology, namely Microsoft and Sony, and they will probably be offering a better proposal, compared to Stadia.

They'll whittle it down to something feasible. It's not a great value atm and they know it by now.

 

[Shifty1897]

Yeah if someone complains about input latency with Stadia, then they haven't played Stadia or have a terrible connection. There are a lot of valid arguments against Stadia, but input latency isn't one of them. Glad you're enjoying it OP. I broke down and bought a new video card for my PC recently, but before that I was considering using Stadia as a stop gap between console generations.

 

[Woo-Fu]

The problem with Stadia is that the technology is ready but the bandwidth isn't.
With 5G and space internet, i expect all that stuff to dissapear.

Except it won't. Bandwidth is one thing, latency is another, and they're only indirectly connected, sometimes. That round-trip latency is never going away, regardless of how much bandwidth you have, it isn't going to move datacenter A closer to player B. "Space Internet" will make it worse, not better, unless they manage to put a Stadia datacenter in geosynchronous orbit over your house. Good luck with that.

Get back to us when Google invents point-to-point wormhole technology or perhaps the quantum entangled edition Stadia.

 

[ethomaz]

Yeah if someone complains about input latency with Stadia, then they haven't played Stadia or have a terrible connection. There are a lot of valid arguments against Stadia, but input latency isn't one of them. Glad you're enjoying it OP. I broke down and bought a new video card for my PC recently, but before that I was considering using Stadia as a stop gap between console generations.

Yeap all the tests on internet about bad input lag is fake lol
It is the most critical issue the service is having.

 

[molasar]

It's perfect for common gamers, but for enthusiasts it's a joke.

This worries me the most. They will start developing all games with streaming services latency in mind. So there will be no difference in comparison gameplaywise.
They see the enthusiasts in their business model as the last of the dinosaurs.

 

[Katsura]

Yeah if someone complains about input latency with Stadia, then they haven't played Stadia or have a terrible connection. There are a lot of valid arguments against Stadia, but input latency isn't one of them. Glad you're enjoying it OP. I broke down and bought a new video card for my PC recently, but before that I was considering using Stadia as a stop gap between console generations.

So Google have found a way to break the laws of physics? That's pretty cool. Still not buying it though

 

[Thanati]

So Google have found a way to break the laws of physics? That's pretty cool. Still not buying it though

Lol

You should check it out for yourself.

actually, would it work with any chromecast?

 

[Vawn]

but if someone had said to me 10 years ago that this would be possible, I’d have laughed at them.

I think it was possible 10 years ago, pr close to it. PS Now has been around over 5 and it was hardly the first.

It might be a neat parlor trick, but it is far from being an ideal way to play games.

 

[Katsura]

Lol

You should check it out for yourself.

actually, would it work with any chromecast?

Not for me. Besides the lag issue, which simply cannot be solved for 99% of potential customers, i'm not paying monthly in order to be able to play my games in what i could only describe as a subpar experience and i'm most certainly not giving any money to Google, arguably one of the most evil companies at the moment and well known for shutting down services at a whim. Plus, you have to over pay for the games compared to what you can get them for elsewhere

Google should have made it a netflix style subscription. Not that i would have bought into it then but i'm sure far more people would be willing to give it a try if they didn't have to pay for a controller, a subscription and each game

All that said, if it works for you i'm happy for you. I was just reacting to the blatant lie from the quoted post that input lag wasn't an issue. Even at the reveal event, there was input lag

 

[Enjay]

I disagree. I’d consider myself an ‘enthusiast’ as you say, even though my gaming time is sometimes broken, but it was a great experience. I’m going to try another title this weekend and will let you know.

I’m not entirely sure why there’s so much hate.

As far as I can tell a lot of people here are afraid of this overtaking consoles because it means they won't be able to own their games and play them forever. Unfortunately they fail to realize that due to modern craftmanship their consoles (PS360 era and up) and games are gonna die in about a decade anyway.

 

[Coflash]

OP:

 

[nkarafo]

279ms is around 17 frame input lag. Why would anyone torture themselves with this kind of lag? I need to have snappy controls in my games.

Holy crap, i can hardly tolerate 5 frames of lag...

Super Mario World on the SNES has 2 frames of lag, internally. Yet you can still feel the better responsiveness when you shave those off by using RetroArch's run-ahead method.

I just don't believe our standards are so low today.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I haven't seen this much shilling on Gaf since the xbox one launched.

Google are in over time to spread goodwill to negate the bad PR

 

[nemiroff]

Using actual data.

Yeap... no.
Stadia close to double the input lag.
I read on consoles the input lag is around 100ms for Destiny.

 

[Mista]

Hows your Chromecast, does it overheat ?

They say it explodes now

 

[Clarissa]

Holy crap, i can hardly tolerate 5 frames of lag...

Super Mario World on the SNES has 2 frames of lag, internally. Yet you can still feel the better responsiveness when you shave those off by using RetroArch's run-ahead method.

I just don't believe our standards are so low today.

Exactly. I have a friend who plays fighting games at a semi pro level and he can even feel the difference between a TN panel (1ms lag) and IPS panel (5ms lag)

Just a mere 4 ms lag is enough to throw them off.