Kagey K
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I feel like I’ve heard this pitch before....
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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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Deleted member 775630
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First of all it was developed for PC too... So no, not just purely next-gen. And that's my whole point btw, that it was developed multi-platform and that it didn't have an influence on the quality. CoD2 could be played on a shitty PC, and it still looked great on Xbox 360.
Secondly, best looking game PS4 at launch was Battlefield 4, not Killzone. Also since when do PS Fanboys care about power and looks of a game again... I thought with the launch of the OneX it wasnt that important. It was more about story and gameplay...
Airbus Jr
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That is not the situation here
Were comparing PS5 having a definite real exclusive game at launch as opose to series X...which will offer absolutely nothing at all for about its first 1-2 year..
About wether that ps5 exclusive game is going to be bad or good is remain to be seen...
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xrnzaaas
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But it's the truth.
This generation has been a long one and you could stay with your OG console throghout its entirety if you didn't want to spend extra cash on the Pro. I'm not a fan of upgrading hardware myself and I don't buy a new phone once a year (I also didn't buy a PS4 Pro), but 7 years is a good run and we should move on to the next gen.
Kagey K
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Let’s see that same pitch fly with the general public.But it's the truth.
Tell them they are being cheap if they choose not to upgrade, and if they had better jobs they could afford to.
Psykodad
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The same happened last gen, when MS talked about all the DRM stuff.
Many were dead certain that Sony was going to do the same up until E3 2013.
It's like people have some kind of short-circuit.
Panajev2001a
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Yes, because they will respect people forking our money for new HW7 years after the PS4 came out and was showered with great games.
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It's weird people are saying Microsoft badly timed game development... This has nothing to do with that, this is purely Microsoft wanting you to play their games everywhere. That's their whole strategy the last 5 years, play anywhere...
Panajev2001a
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kraspkibble
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you don't say, Jason.
is this idiot getting paid to come out with this bullshit?
is this idiot getting paid to come out with this bullshit?
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Honestly if Sony would let them, I believe they would launch gamepass on PlayStation. It's just like Windows. They create a service or software (Windows 10) and others can develop hardware for it. Microsoft themselves also develop some hardware (Surface, XSX) but that's to set a bar and give the "best" experience. The same with XSX. Play wherever you want, the XSX is just the most powerful for whoever wants that.On PlayStation too
DeltaPolarBear
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Microsoft said they are making Scarlet exclusives. It's just that they would be 1 year later than usual. Would that not get in the way of your narrative that they should be able to be played anywhere?
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In a way, yes, you are correct. What I think that's the issue is that in 1-2 years there comes a cutoff of old hardware. Low-end PC and console. In 1-2 years the high-end PC'S will be much stronger than consoles. And the gap between high-end PC and OneS is so large that you are just not able to downgrade your game that far for that system specifically. For the moment this is still possible, so why would you exclude those people?
Grinchy
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I like your response, but don't you see that this "cutoff" could just be the moment the new system launches? What is the difference between one year later and at launch?
This whole, "pro-consumer, everyone gets to play" PR spin going on is all because for a whole 12 months, you can still use your old Xbox to play the new games? At some point, you must see that this entire thing is a spin on the bad news that they just don't have any XSX games ready for launch. If they did, the only thing they'd be talking about is how some Halo or Forza game is "only possible on the most powerful console ever built, the Series X!"
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I can't really say which games are going to be ready at launch, but I'm expecting Halo Infinite to be the best looking game over all consoles. And honestly I can see some other new IP launching before the summer too. A bit like Infamous Second Sun. We'll have to wait for E3 to know what will launch exactly, but I'm not sure why you think there won't be that many new games. At the launch of the Xbox One there were also new games.
Grinchy
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Maybe there's a miscommunication here, because I am talking about there being no games made for the capabilities of the XSX only. That's what this entire thread is about. What we're basically being told is that Microsoft's own games for the new system will be Xbox One games that run with other effects/enhancements on XSX until they have had enough time to put out their real next-gen offerings.
And it's being spun as a good thing...
DynamiteCop!
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That's a pretty poor interpretation.
Grinchy
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Really? I'm sure you can describe it in a more rosy way like a good fan would, but that's the actual reality. They are not building a game for XSX and then tearing it down to get it barely running on old tech so "everybody wins." Whatever software is in the pipeline right now for Xbone will be scaled up for the XSX. That's a way easier job.
GribbleGrunger
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Heinrich
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exactly. Or they should get a second job! Or they should move somewhere, where there are better jobs!
Self High Five
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Or wait for Ghosts of Tsushima, Last of Us, FFVII Remake, Dreams coming out later this year or continue to indulge themselves themselves with the 2000+ PS4 games (literally not an exaggeration) that's come out since 2013.
The only reason some posters think 7 years of software support is suddenly not enough is because one of the big 3 decided to switch strategies due to losing significant marketshare.
thelastword
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Sony is releasing Tsushima, LOU2, Nioh 2, Dreams, FF7-R, Persona, Yakuza and many more as exclusives this year for PS4 owners, what is MS releasing for XBONE owners in comparison...….PS4 owners will enjoy all the NFS, AC, COD, FIFA games at launch including many Japanese exclusives for PS4 still in 2020 and beyond...….Sony never had problems supporting it's console, it's MS which ditch their customer base early on.....Didn't know they would be so bold to not support Series X with ground up content on day 1, that's a death knell for that console if you ask me....
Yet, class at Phil's school is ongoing, he is still lecturing...….For 6 years Phil made promises on games for XBONE that would blow us away, he boasts Series X and he is still not ready to show these games at the new box launch.....I'm sure when those 2 years are up, Phil will have another excuse to give......It's really just a cycle, the 360, red ring, the O in XBONE, just goes round and round and round and round....
A Most Virtuous Cat
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Amazing news
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Oh that's not what I took away from that interview at all... He's just saying that games that are being developed also work on the Xbox One. Nothing more, nothing less. Since it's first party developers they will have had the devkit for a long time now and will easily work top-down. It's not that it was developed for Xbox One and then upgraded. It's developed for XSX and then downgraded for only the Xbox One.
Hendrick's
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This is why this isn't a big deal. All those exclusive games that will do something new and exciting with the new hardware? Well those games are two years out anyway. Not like dev kits have been out there all that long. It is extremely unlikely we will see anything that couldn't be scaled to current gen for quite some time.
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DeltaPolarBear
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If that is true, then why is Ms releasing Scarlet exclusives twelve months later? If there is no problems with downscaling, then surely Ms could keep it up for more than just one year? Why is Microsoft making Scarlet Exclusives still, albeit late?
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Scroll further upwards, this is my theory. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jaso...itles-at-launch.1519818/page-3#post-256522935
Warnen
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With the move pass console generations (since this gen and next are just PCs) kinda lame of them. I can totally see it in a few years after launch when games natural look way better.
Guess when your system is significantly less powerful then your direct competitor you need any help you can get. Screw your user base.
Guess when your system is significantly less powerful then your direct competitor you need any help you can get. Screw your user base.
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DeltaPolarBear
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Already read that. What you haven't explained is why picking the arbitrary 12 months cut off. Why not 6 months or three years? You have no explanation for why it makes sense to intentionally give a 12 month cut off.
it makes sense that it isn't intentional, that it was just because the games are not ready. Saying it is intentional, is what breaks all logic.
How is this amazing news? this is sad news actually
A Most Virtuous Cat
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I liove the fact that we will have titles at launch that are not held back by last gen consoles which were very weak to begin with. I look forward to more complex worlds and game designed focuese around nextgen technology. And with PS5's BC with ps4, we have only to gain.
Sony and MS had to let down either late adopters of last gen consoles or early adopters of the next, MS chose the latter while sony the former.
Stilton Disco
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I'm not sure why people want to keep playing games that are increasingly struggling to do anything new or run properly on near decade old technology.
It's like people have suddenly become utterly retarded and forgotten the many, many reasons why console generations have existed for 40 years, and how shit gaming gets when a generation outstays it's welcome, despite that being the case just last gen, to the point that a huge number of people were genuinely thinking console gaming was dying.
I mean how much of a selfish, short sighted tool do you have to be, to want gaming to start sucking balls just so you don't have to spend a few hundrd quid on new hardware every 7 years or so years.
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DynamiteCop!
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Not hard, buddy.
Opinion - Forbes - Microsoft’s ‘No Xbox Series X Exclusives’ Philosophy Is Not As Wild As It Sounds
All ai know for certain is that there will definitely be no need for me to buy an XSX for the next 2 years, but that Sony will be making games that will be offering me a reason to need to buy a PS5, so it seems pretty obvious which company is making the better approach to things. If the...
GHG
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Not hard, buddy.
Opinion - Forbes - Microsoft’s ‘No Xbox Series X Exclusives’ Philosophy Is Not As Wild As It Sounds
All ai know for certain is that there will definitely be no need for me to buy an XSX for the next 2 years, but that Sony will be making games that will be offering me a reason to need to buy a PS5, so it seems pretty obvious which company is making the better approach to things. If the...www.neogaf.com
Yeh it only requires multiple development teams, not hard at all
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DynamiteCop!
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It's funny how people always get excited about who sells most consoles. It absolutely does not matter, Sony and Microsoft have different strategies. Sony wants to sell as much consoles as possible and Microsoft wants to get/keep as many customers as possible, no matter if it's on Series X, One X, One S, PC, Tablet Pc or Smartphone. At the end of the day you make the money with software not hardware and in the future hardware gets less and less important.
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iorek21
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Cross-gen titles were the cancer that doomed a lot of games during 2013-15. I’m not surprised that the industry is taking notes from that mistake.
I think that we’ll see less cross-gen games this gen, only the eventual FIFA, COD and other “simpler” will show up on both gens.
No one wants their game to be the new Watch_Dogs.
I think that we’ll see less cross-gen games this gen, only the eventual FIFA, COD and other “simpler” will show up on both gens.
No one wants their game to be the new Watch_Dogs.
Self_Destructive
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What's hard about it again? I mean... game development is hard yes... we all know that. But the cost and challenge of developing a last gen version of a game alongside a next gen version is absolutely worth the potential gains you could get from it.Yeh it only requires multiple development teams, not hard at all
Doing so doesn't mean the initial vision of the game HAS to be compromised.
DynamiteCop!
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Like both of my examples, Rise of the Tomb Raider and Forza Horizon 2 were both developed for the Xbox One, and then Nixxes and Sumo Digital ported, and scaled them down for function on the Xbox 360.
Why do people have such an issue coming to grips with this? The Series X build isn't going to be compromised, the Xbox One and Xbox One X builds will be. It's not hard to understand.
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I think we will see more cross-gen games if the new consoles are really more expensive than 399, because many people will wait for a price drop and the game developers will know that.
Panajev2001a
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You can do it, but as you noted there those are two different games ported by two teams and sold twice (not burdening a single team and selling it only once for two platforms)... and you know that unless we are being disingenuous here.
Also, it was one of the few that received this treatment at all and later title dropped this approach.
GHG
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It's a horrific waste of resources but ok, if that's what you really want then so be it.
At some point the hardened Xbox fans will demand more of Microsoft instead of pointing the finger at those who decide other platforms are a more worthy investment.
In Forza Horizon 2's case it was. It was very much a completely different game. There's only so low you can go. The perfomance delta between a 1.3TF box and a 12TF box (if the numbers are to be believed) is huge.
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DynamiteCop!
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Do you think that Microsoft doesn't have the resources? Do you think they can't sub-contract the work? Do you think they can't afford to have multiple builds under one purchase? Where's the fire, man?
That is true, and it's not going to be much different here. A typical first party year for anyone in terms of big games is 3-5 titles, it's not like this is going to be the reality for dozens and dozens of games, and early generation games for the most part usually end up just being prettier versions of last generation games in terms of design philosophy so again I have to ask, where's the fire?
Humdinger
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Yeah, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they ignored the PS4 install base and sold all their exclusives only to PS5 owners. They've got to take advantage of that massive install base.