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Microsoft announces plan to make the Xbox carbon neutral
- Thread starter CyberPanda
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Sentenza
Member
Well, China is actually investing more heavily than most other countries in reducing their carbon footprint.
Their recent efforts with afforestation have been nothing short of impressive, and while they had some heavily polluted urban areas, their per-capita carbon footprint is way lower than the American one.
Also, they recently announced their decision to stop taking in and dispose of the USA garbage, which is going to move the numbers even more in their favor.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This isn't true at all! Why? Because Khalid was going to be meeting with Kanye to get yeezeys either way. With or without these smaller carbon neutral measures. So yes, every little bit helps.
Shagger
Banned
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Oh lovely, after the ideological nonsense in gaming over the last 5 years since Anita and Kotaku raged across the internet, the one thing I wanted more of was more preaching and pandering.
Sony is doing this PR stuff too. Gimme a break. I'll go even further to help the planet by not buying your product, right?
Sony is doing this PR stuff too. Gimme a break. I'll go even further to help the planet by not buying your product, right?
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Copycats.
CuteFaceJay
Member
So what are they actually going to do, Under clock all those unit so they use less power? I don't get this post.
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Woo-Fu
Banned
It is impossible---at our current tech level---to produce electronics without a net negative impact on the environment. It is also impossible to remain competitive if you don't manufacture primarily in countries where the standard of living is rock bottom.
These companies aren't going to eco-friendly themselves out of business. Stop acting like anything up to that point is nothing.
Lastly, the only reason they keep making consoles is because you keep buying them. If you want the environment to be saved you're going to have to do it together, from your side of the market. As long as demand exists, somebody will profit from supplying.
These companies aren't going to eco-friendly themselves out of business. Stop acting like anything up to that point is nothing.
Lastly, the only reason they keep making consoles is because you keep buying them. If you want the environment to be saved you're going to have to do it together, from your side of the market. As long as demand exists, somebody will profit from supplying.
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Iorv3th
Member
what exactly is carbon neutral and how can the xbox achieve that?
You must have not read the Sony thread then. Everyone was bitching about them being SJW's for it.
I see your xbox goggles are working as good as ever though.
You must have not read the Sony thread then. Everyone was bitching about them being SJW's for it.
I see your xbox goggles are working as good as ever though.
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ellias
Banned
Oh no a company is thinking of the enviroment?
SJWS!
Not 'thinking.' 'Virtue signalling.' If they actually cared about the environment, they would stop making electronics all together.
ResilientBanana
Member
I see the term SJW being thrown around GAF lately, but I'm not quite sure they know what that means. There is nothing SJW about this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nintendo is a part of the same UN agreement Sony and MS are.
Fake
Member
Are any Nintendo console doing the same? Must missed.
Sony and Microsoft's new carbon neutral game, hide and seek, no electricity or plastic needed. (I'm sure the investors would love the idea of these companies replacing their tech with old school tech)
You really can't make this shit up anymore.
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Fox Mulder
Member
what if I run my consoles off a gasoline generator?
CyberPanda
Banned
You would be a hero
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Team Andromeda
Member
Because of China's Carbon footprint and love of Coal . I'm not a fan of Carbon trading myself .
joe_zazen
Member
I love the idea that a disposable, mass produced, energy guzzling toy with no practical purpose, shipped 5000 miles can be environmentally friendly.
You’ll need to kill democracy to get that done, friend.
In Ontario, electricity bills doubled as the government shifted energy to use less carbon. Next election, that party was decimated, ending up with a single seat. Why? Because suddenly people were losing their homes and old people couldn't afford electricty. Who is going to vote for that? Even millennials want houses and vacations and comfy retirements and yummy food and toys and a home and a car and heat in the winter.
Our whole system is built on cheap, plentiful energy. It is all well and good to yell about killing the planet on twitter, but you are going to get massive political upheaval and violence if you try to force people to ‘give up their lifestyle’.
By the by, only reason we have all the stuff we do is because of fossil fuels. No fossils fuels, no modern world.
You’ll need to kill democracy to get that done, friend.
In Ontario, electricity bills doubled as the government shifted energy to use less carbon. Next election, that party was decimated, ending up with a single seat. Why? Because suddenly people were losing their homes and old people couldn't afford electricty. Who is going to vote for that? Even millennials want houses and vacations and comfy retirements and yummy food and toys and a home and a car and heat in the winter.
Our whole system is built on cheap, plentiful energy. It is all well and good to yell about killing the planet on twitter, but you are going to get massive political upheaval and violence if you try to force people to ‘give up their lifestyle’.
By the by, only reason we have all the stuff we do is because of fossil fuels. No fossils fuels, no modern world.
The Shift
Banned
Make a 'Naked' SKU that has:
No Controller
No HDMI Cable
No Power Cable
Very minimal packaging (no setup instruction card, GamePass promo, plastic wrap)
This can be sold as an option to existing Xbox One customers that already have:
A Controller
A HDMI Cable
A Power Cable
Superfluous packaging from an Xbox One/S/X
Sell it for $50 cheaper than the package with the Controller, HDMI Cable and Power Cable included.
There is your $449.00 SKU and MS gets to be a bit greener
If I can save 50 bucks by using the controller and cables that I already have on hand I'm in.
No Controller
No HDMI Cable
No Power Cable
Very minimal packaging (no setup instruction card, GamePass promo, plastic wrap)
This can be sold as an option to existing Xbox One customers that already have:
A Controller
A HDMI Cable
A Power Cable
Superfluous packaging from an Xbox One/S/X
Sell it for $50 cheaper than the package with the Controller, HDMI Cable and Power Cable included.
There is your $449.00 SKU and MS gets to be a bit greener
If I can save 50 bucks by using the controller and cables that I already have on hand I'm in.
joe_zazen
Member
Make a 'Naked' SKU that has:
No Controller
No HDMI Cable
No Power Cable
Very minimal packaging (no setup instruction card, GamePass promo, plastic wrap)
This can be sold as an option to existing Xbox One customers that already have:
A Controller
A HDMI Cable
A Power Cable
Superfluous packaging from an Xbox One/S/X
Sell it for $50 cheaper than the package with the Controller, HDMI Cable and Power Cable included.
There is your $449.00 SKU and MS gets to be a bit greener
If I can save 50 bucks by using the controller and cables that I already have on hand I'm in.
would you still buy it if it wasn't $50 cheaper?
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Microsoft can just buy carbon credits to make it "neutral". Obviously, the consumer using the device won't be neutral. The trucks shipping them and the factories stamping them won't be "neutral". Microsoft will either buy credits or build some ugly windfarms to offset the emissions produced by the XsX.
The Shift
Banned
Not practical and no incentive so probably not.
I can tell you that the Controller, HDMI Cable and Power Cable that came with my Xbox One X are still in the box unused.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
They can model these windfarms after the XSX (I of course have no issues with "ugly windfarms" - it's not like power plants are a beauty).
what about sony?
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Meanwhile in China, India, Malaysia................
HeresJohnny
Member
Chinese plants have broken the rules in the past. They'll make a compliant facility and then still do it the old way. A good example of this was the Lumber Liquidators flooring fiasco that happened about 5 years ago. Despite the claim that they were selling CARB2 compliant product, Lumber Liquidators was selling laminates that contained excessive formaldehyde made in Chinese plants. They had to pay 30 million or so in fines because of it.
Not that I care; I give fuck all about bullshit carbon compliance on a gaming console. In fact, I'm more apt to buy one that isn't carbon compliant just to make the virtue signalers and finger waggers grow hemmorhoids. This just tells me the next Xbox is going to be way overpriced, and it's a desperate bullet point to try and justify it. "It's $600, but it's fucking CARBON COMPLIANT BREh!" Yeah, fuck off.
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HeresJohnny
Member
I see people walking around there with breathing masks on. And the olympics was an embarrassment; it was widely reported to be the most polluted site for an olympic event ever.
McCheese
Member
Carbon offsetting is cheap as chips, honestly, a years worth of driving is a couple of quid if you don't mind investing into less glamorous schemes like third world cook stoves, or helping large industry switch oil / lube.
Planting trees is the most expensive form of carbon offsetting, unfortunately.
Planting trees is the most expensive form of carbon offsetting, unfortunately.
JLB
Banned
I'd like that people had a more rational, less biased way to think about things.
Yes, climate change IS a thing. Its undeniable. Theres scientific proof about it. That does not mean that you should go and set Australia woods into fire using a t-shirt with the face of Greta Thumberg on it.
What I'd like to see is what Microsoft is presenting here. A rational, long term plan to reduce emissions, in a way that economies are not disrupted.
Yes, climate change IS a thing. Its undeniable. Theres scientific proof about it. That does not mean that you should go and set Australia woods into fire using a t-shirt with the face of Greta Thumberg on it.
What I'd like to see is what Microsoft is presenting here. A rational, long term plan to reduce emissions, in a way that economies are not disrupted.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
A carbon capturing "air contactor" would probably be a better fit for the shape and the airflow lol
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Not surprising as every major manufacturer seems to be targeting a carbon neutral or negative goal for their facilities.
I am surprised at how many here are aware of the clean energy credits that are out there.
I am surprised at how many here are aware of the clean energy credits that are out there.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Pretty much....exactly this.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Did you stop to read the article and realize Sony (and everyone else) is doing the exact same damn thing? All of these tech companies are doing this, expecting a single one to knock it off now is idiotic. It's what's fashionable for them and of COURSE it's about increasing their global marketshares because they're multi-billion dollar mega-conglomerates xD.
And I mean, you post this while using a computer or smartphone that was probably manufactured in China by some poor sweatshop workers. So we're all indirectly supporting what these companies do, on some level, by using their products.
CrisPy2019
Member
Tbh. Even if I would play 20 switches at the same time I would probably use less electricity than my XBO X does.
Tell devs to be more efficient to make less bugs that need patches. . Tell studios like Ubisoft to not make assassinsCreed games on 3 continents at the same time while flying back and forth to see how it goes etc.. Don't sell me DLC. Patches and DLC...all of that uses wifi electricity servers and bullshit.
Give me local coop instead of online modes only so I don't waste server electricity. Let me change my XBOX hard drive instead of forcing me to lose my warranty or sending it to MS in case something goes wrong. Turn of the PS4 toylight in the controller.
As long as all of that shit is still the case all the companies can FUCKOFF lol. It's probably just PR with a lot of ",if we do it we get some nice benefits from governments like tax discounts". Why do rich people donate money? It's to have a better image. To shape the world and for benefits. Not because of having a heart.
Tell devs to be more efficient to make less bugs that need patches. . Tell studios like Ubisoft to not make assassinsCreed games on 3 continents at the same time while flying back and forth to see how it goes etc.. Don't sell me DLC. Patches and DLC...all of that uses wifi electricity servers and bullshit.
Give me local coop instead of online modes only so I don't waste server electricity. Let me change my XBOX hard drive instead of forcing me to lose my warranty or sending it to MS in case something goes wrong. Turn of the PS4 toylight in the controller.
As long as all of that shit is still the case all the companies can FUCKOFF lol. It's probably just PR with a lot of ",if we do it we get some nice benefits from governments like tax discounts". Why do rich people donate money? It's to have a better image. To shape the world and for benefits. Not because of having a heart.
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ruvikx
Banned
This is so quaint. You automatically presumed I was a Sony fanboy or something because I criticized Microsoft for xyz reason. Do you know what I'm currently doing (I literally have the pause menu on screen)? I'm playing through Ryse on my Xbox One X whilst drinking my second glass of wine of the evening. Good times with my gamepass & One X.
But, I won't ever roll over for PR marketing speak looking to capitalize on current-year woke media trends by "virtue signalling" planet saving credentials when the reality is much, much more complex. Whether it's from Microsoft or anyone else. Carbon Neutrality in the west = bullshit from the moment the current demographic explosion in the third world remains a censored topic in pseudo environmentalist (in reality far left extremist) circles.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
I didn't really assume anything, just pointing out that other companies are doing the same thing. This is a gaming forum and Sony's a big name, so I just used them as a goto example, that's all.
Regardless, yes all of these tech companies are pushing this stuff but as long as you support their products you are still a part of the problem and aren't really too deserving to complain. And population expansion in third-world countries isn't necessarily part of the problem, unless you're with those dudes that essentially want to advocate genocide or "population control" when there's more than enough resources on this planet to sustain expanding populations naturally.
Also a good number of those places are seeing economic growth anyhow; you would actually be surprised at how much green energy stuff is pushed on them basically to trap them into debt. Certain groups and agencies by and large just want to expand that to Western nations, same as how they want to take the Chinese model of censorship and social monitoring and bring it to the West while still pursuing hyper-capitalism for their own profits.
Anyhow this is something of a topic expanding well beyond just gaming, seems more appropriate as an Off-Topic conversation imho.
GHG
Member
What about reading the article in the OP?
Fake
Member
PlayStation has committed to lowering its carbon footprint with PS5.
https://www.vg247.com/2019/09/23/playstation-committed-lower-carbon-footprint/ The PS5 will have substantially lower power consumption when a game is suspended than the PS4 does. Over on PlayStation Blog, SIE president and CEO Jim Ryan has stated his intentions to partner with the other...
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Genx3
Member
Shhhh
You will lift the veil and calm the mass hysteria that has millions of dollars exchanging hands....
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