Okami Haundo
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I sure hope not. I'd rather Microsoft just put XCloud on mobile devices and Switch and call it a day.
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I sure hope not. I'd rather Microsoft just put XCloud on mobile devices and Switch and call it a day.
ANIMAL1975
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It's power brick situation! SSD will be in the power brick to release space for the dual GPUs.
I really think this insiders hyping up the SSDs just really don't get it/are very knowledgeable. The way i see it, the actual 'game changer' is going to be the much faster and not removable direct storage (around 128GB), and the way that it will be available for the devs... or not.
joe_zazen
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i was hoping that it would be a mobile variant, but can you stick 4TF in a tablet that runs off a battery? and how much?
It would be nice for switch to have competition and i have to admit, having a tablet for mobile version of all next gen games would be a system seller.
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That would also explain why it's only 4TF in power. I always found that part weird, why would Microsoft create a weaker console than the OneX... There was no room between the OneS and OneX if you already have the XSX above. If it's more like a Nintendo Switch, more hybrid for on the road, it would make sense
joe_zazen
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The 250w restriction could well be due to European law regarding the energy efficiency and power draw of gaming consoles .
May not be anything related to this of course. Personally I think this is a very good thing, as 100M consoles consuming vast amounts of energy isn't a great thing
should just outlaw them, as well as cars. And vacations, and beef.
Okami Haundo
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I'm no expert, but wasn't the 4TF rumor for Lockhart based on RDNA? If so, I seem to recall people saying that puts it on-par with Xbox One X. Pair that with a better CPU and SSD and you have a dramatically different device.
saintjules
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If it's March, that would debunk a lot of rumors, specifically from pastebin and other places.
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chemical boy
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The console looks much uglier in these real images than in the presentation. That reminds me of this:
Xbox SX commercial VS Xbox SX reality
Xbox SX commercial VS Xbox SX reality
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I don't know enough about Zen and RDNA to know what kinda battery it could have but I have to assume it would need much more than something found in the current surface devices which is around 5700 mAh.
I believe it would be basically on par GPU wise in terms of TF but have some more features. But the CPU would be Zen so it would be leaps beyond.
But even still with that confirmation of games working for a few years on everything Lockhart is in a super weird spot based on what we know.
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BattleScar
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Even if they're using cheapo cables, you can get ones which are have 3A fuses and are rated for 250V. Which is a maximum power of 750W.
Even if it's rated for just 150V, it's still 450W at 3A. More than enough power for whatever they can throw at it.
This is all just speculation. DF/MLID could be right, or they could be wrong. The fundamental truth is that they're guessing.
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ethomaz
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Yeap it is more than enough for console.
I remember I had a AC Adapter with C7 connector with 1000W..: that is why I said over 1000W initially.
Google that and you will find Dell and others companies selling C7 AC adapters with 1000W too.
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CyberPanda
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He won’t.
LordOfChaos
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4Tflops on RDNA 2 is not weaker than 6 on a mix of early GCN versions
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Same reason I wasn't confident in jumping to 12Tflops from the statement "double the performance", but mere caution upset some.
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BlacknGold_Blood
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5 days after GDC? Why do you think this?
DrDamn
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The 250w restriction could well be due to European law regarding the energy efficiency and power draw of gaming consoles .
May not be anything related to this of course. Personally I think this is a very good thing, as 100M consoles consuming vast amounts of energy isn't a great thing
EU Energy requirements are a) Voluntary and b) power caps only seem to apply to Media playback and navigation, not active gameplay. Though active gameplay usage data should be made available.
ethomaz
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Here is Brasil it looks like that first one... the second is ugly and there is something wrong in the place you brought it lolThe console looks much uglier in these real images than in the presentation. That reminds me of this:
Xbox SX commercial VS Xbox SX reality
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saintjules
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Off-topic, have you ever had Carl's Jr? I had it once when I was out in Vegas. Looked just like in the Commercial, which was pretty refreshing lol.The console looks much uglier in these real images than in the presentation. That reminds me of this:
Xbox SX commercial VS Xbox SX reality
saintjules
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Thankfully that video put an end to that nonsense heh.
Xbox 12.4? 16GB?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
it ain’t the retail version so could not be as matte as that is shownThe console looks much uglier in these real images than in the presentation. That reminds me of this:
Xbox SX commercial VS Xbox SX reality
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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If they can manage to put all of that in a handheld or hybrid, then I'll be mightily impressed. And here's hoping it's more in line a spiritual successor to the PSP, and not the PS Vita.
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ethomaz
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I'm just trying (curious) to find where Richard found that 250W limitation lol
And I just reached PS3 specs:
"The power supply on the "fat" model is 380 W. This was reduced to 250 W in the 120 GB "Slim" model."
Consoles can go over 250W just fine.
Of course it could be not ideal.
And I just reached PS3 specs:
"The power supply on the "fat" model is 380 W. This was reduced to 250 W in the 120 GB "Slim" model."
Consoles can go over 250W just fine.
Of course it could be not ideal.
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I was talking about PS5 Specs.
Reindeer
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There must be something to it as bunch of tech experts seem to say the same thing. In fact Richard said he was worried it could hamper performance of Series X.
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I understand I was wondering if you knew anything about the XsX
SlimySnake
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richard was peddling 8 tflops and constantly downplaying the RT capabilities of next gen consoles, especially the PS5. First it was software, then what hardware was confirmed, that became shadows only. dont put too much stock into what he says. he has been proven wrong every step of the way.
no offense intended of course. i quite like the guy, but he clearly has no clue whats going into these next gen consoles.
no offense intended of course. i quite like the guy, but he clearly has no clue whats going into these next gen consoles.
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gargalo13
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Rumors are taking the revelation to 2/29.
Do you believe it is before?
Rightisright
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They will reveal the actual console as well, whereas last time they split the PS4 reveal between their PlayStation event and E3.
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Agnostic2020
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He says 14 to 21 feb
xool
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ethomaz
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WOW the article says the imagens first surfaced on NeoGAF
Actually it was a tweet about 20 minutes before post here.
They really created news based in forum posts? So they are reading what we do?
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Agnostic2020
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So
12.8 Navi TF
16 Gb gddr6 ram( any os ram ??)
Zen 2 cpu at 3.2 ghz
1 TB SSD
event 3rd week of February and invite next week (Tuesday or Wednesday)
Is that correct ?
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saintjules
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Yeah I had a feeling they would push out more of their guns early, not only because they're not doing E3 but because they'd be at the end of Q1. So you only have 3/4ths of the year left to advertise your hardwre.
So if we're speculating March, what would be in Feb. that everyone is talking about? Another wired article? Also, I think by end of Q2, pre-orders need to go live. I think it will be advertised after the reveal in the immediate sense.
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Reindeer
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They made a video on this that seems to be strangely missing now.
chemical boy
Member
I didn't know Carl's Jr, I'm from Spain, but I just looked for it and I see that I have one near home haha, thanks!
Agnostic2020
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Cancer causing junk foods . Stay away from all those junks if u value yourself
xool
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Probably pulled - maybe they got confused because UK/EU ratings are different to US ones.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Wanted to believe for the longest while that the type of solution you're talking about (3D-Xpoint PCM, ReRAM etc.) was possible, but I had the unfortunate fate of doing some hardcore research and I just don't know if they're going to happen.
I tried factoring out 3D-Xpoint (DRAM type)'s price per GB and figure it could get to about $1.50 with the bulk a company like Sony or MS could secure them. Even then, 64GB would be $96, and 128GB would be $192. And they'd still have to arrange it in a way to saturate the bus; IIRC a 128 GB module of Optane DC Persistent Memory gives about a bit over 8 GB/s of read performance and a bit less on write performance.
But at least 3D-Xpoint actually exists in mass scale with consumer and data market products; ReRAM's even worst, there hasn't been a single chip produced larger than a few MBs in size, for commercial production. So I think the timetable of seeing it employed in, say, PS5 at any significant capacity has passed. Maybe PS5 Pro (and/or XSX X), but not base PS5. They could probably spin 3D-Xpoint production into ReRAM production (they're both fundamentally the same technology at the root, but with some key differences in how stuff like writes are handled), but I personally wouldn't know if that's happened at all.
That's why when we've been talking about the SSDs in these systems, I've been picturing them like AMD's SSG line; 3D NAND custom-soldered to the PCB directly (or if they want to make them replaceable, on a daughtercard in a cartridge container connecting to a card edge interfaced through PCIe 4.0), given wide bandwidth and fast speed access to the CPU and GPU, and able to be memory-mapped. Probably 1TB in size, between 8 and 16 3D NAND chips in parallel (3Gbps I/O for 384 MB/s, x8 for ~ 3 GB/s, x16 for ~ 6 GB/s), that way they could go with either 1Tbit (128GB) or 512Gbit (64GB) 3D TLC NAND chips. And if they wanted, still connect more banks of NAND via serial connection to the main chips for more storage capacity (bandwidth and speed would stay the same though).
Sony and MS would want to keep that connection and the drive proprietary though, so they could have a second M.2 slot on the systems for user-optional secondary drives that act more like traditional SSDs. In fact I think the "odd" thin slot on the back of that leaked XSX picture might be an M.2 card slot.
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Reindeer
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Either it was a video or an article that included the back of the box provided by Brad Sams that was a counter to the AMD fake render. Someone even brought this up on Eurogamer's comment section today and I remembered it, but now it seems it's been pulled.
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AGRacing
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No you’re in the minority of people that actually understand this. 4TF of RDNA 1 or hopefully closer to 2 would be a jump over One X....
But more importantly the CPU would be still be that huge upgrade over the jaguar cores.
That’s the real reason such a system would exist rather than just using the One X forever. The bottleneck of the previous generation was that Jaguar CPU.
I could see a hypothetical Lockhart system with the same new CPU as Series X and the cut down RDNA chip being able to run next gen games at something close to 1080p just fine..... you definitely don’t need 4TF of RDNA just to be a “streaming console” that is for SURE.
Agnostic2020
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I m assuming you are not sure if there is any operating system ram additional to 16 gb or not . Correct ?
Hi there, please check your PMs, thank you.
TBiddy
Member
He doesn’t know anything, just like the other “insiders”.
CyberPanda
Banned
yep
saintjules
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Posted already?
Agnostic2020
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