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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I would never try and silence somebody to an opinion or guess work, come on man. But I don’t like people saying “this site has info” and then it turns out it doesn’t. Because as this thread has shown, people will NOT read the source, they will just think it’s legit and roll with it. People can and will post anything speculative they like, and I would never dream of shutting them down, and haven’t done that a single time in the thread?
Now I may pop up and give reasons why they are right/wrong? But never shut them down, and I don’t think that’s a fair assessment to be honest.
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Dargor
Member
I aint falling for that again, nothing is coming I agree with you, but thats on them, not on who posted the info, specially when its done in the context of a speculation thread.
edit: for the last part you added
and if that was what you had done, I wouldn't be saying anything to you now.
My problem was solely with the "stop doing that" and if that wasn't what you meant by it, I'm sorry for all of this, but thats how it sounded to me.
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Tenka Musou
Banned
Wasn't the 13.8 number the first to be rumored way back then by Benji?
Also yesterday someone at Era said he heard from a source in Taiwan that PS5 is 13.8 TF
It does seem crazy high, but no one expected 8GB of GDDR5 for PS4 either.
Also yesterday someone at Era said he heard from a source in Taiwan that PS5 is 13.8 TF
It does seem crazy high, but no one expected 8GB of GDDR5 for PS4 either.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Well 1-3 months difference won’t make a difference for them ...
Late by forum dwellers
GAF is more accurate than a multibillion corporation? What a time to be alive.
HawarMiran
Banned
Outside of people like us nobody cares for the announcement. My friends who all own PS4s don't lurk the internet like me for every new detail 
. We are too early to the party and waiting for the cake. Meanwhile the rest comes when the cake is already is served 
. We are too early to the party and waiting for the cake. Meanwhile the rest comes when the cake is already is served
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nowhat
Member
Meh, it's a lie anyway.We are too early to the party and waiting for the cake. Meanwhile the rest comes when the cake is already is served
hemo memo
Gold Member
Outside of people like us nobody cares for the announcement. My friends who all own PS4s don't lurk the internet like me for every new detail
Reading the replies to the official PlayStation account on twitter and social media buzz in general I have to disagree. I don’t have go outside to ask people if they’re interested in PS5. It’s not only GAF and forums.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Nevah.gif
It was in reference to making things seem as fact, when actually it was more speculation again.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
What if we get this and every other PS5 announcement related thread locked until the announcement actually happens?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
There is an upside and a downside to that. The upside is, only the official word announcement can be heard. The downside is, anything else we may want to discuss is impossible leading to alternate frustrations. It’s a question of whether the cost would be worth the reward.
Mendou
Banned
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
13.8 just seems unreasonable. Stranger things have happened, but it just seems crazy to me.
Price up the cost of the individual components you think you are getting, including costs of the board, the controller, leads, case, box and materials.
Now even when you consider they will be selling at a loss, and that they will be getting these parts much cheaper...
It doesn’t add up.
You’ve got a grand GPU to get over that 12tf threshold To 13.8 (no card currently does this)
You’ve got an up to date cpu, with dd5 and board.
Then you’ve got all the little bits that do cost money, maybe not a lot but do. An 8k certified 120hrz hdmi cable for example.
And then as well, a controller?
So like two grands worth of kit, even at bulk order prices, some of you assume will sell at a loss and be priced £399? Hell even at £699 you are seriously pushing it here.
These peak limits are there to be just that, limitations. It’s possible, but this will burn out faster than you can say piss, plus the yields will be so low Sony would be bankrupt the end of the year.
Price up the cost of the individual components you think you are getting, including costs of the board, the controller, leads, case, box and materials.
Now even when you consider they will be selling at a loss, and that they will be getting these parts much cheaper...
It doesn’t add up.
You’ve got a grand GPU to get over that 12tf threshold To 13.8 (no card currently does this)
You’ve got an up to date cpu, with dd5 and board.
Then you’ve got all the little bits that do cost money, maybe not a lot but do. An 8k certified 120hrz hdmi cable for example.
And then as well, a controller?
So like two grands worth of kit, even at bulk order prices, some of you assume will sell at a loss and be priced £399? Hell even at £699 you are seriously pushing it here.
These peak limits are there to be just that, limitations. It’s possible, but this will burn out faster than you can say piss, plus the yields will be so low Sony would be bankrupt the end of the year.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
PS5 is gonna be less tflops than Series X but have higher bandwidth (memory) and a faster SSD. You heard it here last.
Dargor
Member
Yeah, that wasn't how it sounded to me, but thats quite reasonable, so I hope you can forgive me for thinking otherwise.
BGs
Industry Professional
I answer later about all this.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Agnostic2020
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ArcaneNLSC
Member
David Ricardo
Member
Benji said 12.9. Recently BGs said 13.8 apparently as a joke.
Mass Shift
Member
Outside of people like us nobody cares for the announcement. My friends who all own PS4s don't lurk the internet like me for every new detail
Perfect analogy.
FranXico
Member
He's been pretty upfront about what he knows or can talk about.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
right now it feels frustrating seeing through bunch of nothing but speculation and rumor.
BlacknGold_Blood
Member
True, but it also might be true that the conversations in these forums do matter in the big picture because these views are shared with the general public and negative vibes spread like wildfire.Outside of people like us nobody cares for the announcement. My friends who all own PS4s don't lurk the internet like me for every new detail
HawarMiran
Banned
I meant people like us in general. We are the minority
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I completely agree. Still, I don’t want the threads closed. Misery loves company I guess.
Agnostic2020
Member
He will tell you , you took it out of context . He feels ps5 is performing better than xsx regardless of the TF.
Vinex
Neo Member
Ok it seems people are so thirsty for some specs info, ok here you go...
PS5 specs:
Giant Navi 165TF @ 30.999ghz
CPU: Ryzen 90 25.7ghz
Ram: 128gb gddr20
50T SSD faster than light
Price: $399
Xbox SX
GF 9500 GT 550mhz
CPU: Dual Intel pantium 2, 600mhz
Ram: 512mb gddr1
40gb HDD 6200RPM
Price: $1500
Thank me later
PS5 specs:
Giant Navi 165TF @ 30.999ghz
CPU: Ryzen 90 25.7ghz
Ram: 128gb gddr20
50T SSD faster than light
Price: $399
Xbox SX
GF 9500 GT 550mhz
CPU: Dual Intel pantium 2, 600mhz
Ram: 512mb gddr1
40gb HDD 6200RPM
Price: $1500
Thank me later
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
LED Guy?
Banned
Oh thanks!
David Ricardo
Member
Trying to make sense of github and PS5 rumored specs, what about the possibility of PS5 having two gpus in a chiplet design? 2 x 36 CUs equal 72 CUs total.
72 CUs at 1.4 Ghz would be 12.9 teraflops
72 CUs at 1.5 Ghz would be 13.8 teraflops
Extrapolating data from this graph, power consumption for the gpu part would be between 160 and 175 watts.
It would be a similar amount of heat to dissipate as a 12 teraflops 56CU GPU, which would be around 163 watts.
That's if both of them use GDDR6. If PS5 uses HBM that would mean some savings in power, so maybe they could have 13.8 teraflops with the same power consumption (and heat generated) as a 12 tf Series X.
I know the upsides from this strategy (more viable chips per wafer, more teraflops) but what are the downsides? Does this make any sense?
72 CUs at 1.4 Ghz would be 12.9 teraflops
72 CUs at 1.5 Ghz would be 13.8 teraflops
Extrapolating data from this graph, power consumption for the gpu part would be between 160 and 175 watts.
It would be a similar amount of heat to dissipate as a 12 teraflops 56CU GPU, which would be around 163 watts.
That's if both of them use GDDR6. If PS5 uses HBM that would mean some savings in power, so maybe they could have 13.8 teraflops with the same power consumption (and heat generated) as a 12 tf Series X.
I know the upsides from this strategy (more viable chips per wafer, more teraflops) but what are the downsides? Does this make any sense?
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Oh no, not the two GPU train again 
No, they would be considerably ahead actually. At this time last generation their next platform hadn’t even been announced, they had only given an invite to an event (that was very obviously going to be about their next console but nothing official was said about it). Currently, we have: name, logo, some CPU details, some GPU details , some storage details and other technical capabilities all officially announced.
LED Guy?
Banned
Well, looks like there are no PS5 news even after Sony’s Q3 earnings reports, I feel like I have lost hope for February reveal, maybe just maybe, we’ll see the reveal at the very end of February, let’s hope it is in February, because that’s what Kleegamefan said it would be, if it isn’t there in February, I’ll be losing confidence in what he’s saying........even if he was wrong, doesn’t mean everything he said is wrong, but still, he’ll lose credibility.
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PocoJoe
Banned
A: it is AMD not NVIDIA+intel and their rip off prices
B: still silly to compare pc parts to closed system with millions of components ordered
APU is much cheaper than dedicated cpu+graphics card.
Is 13,8tflops possible? Maybe maybe not, but im 100% sure it(apu or cpu+gpu chip) would not cost more than 200-300$ to Sony
Shio
Member
You know how over time consoles get redesigned as a smaller version to reduce costs such as the slim models, do you think the Lockhart model could be a cost saving version of the Xbone One X? The Xbone One X is around 6TF GCN and the Lockhart is rumoured to be around 4TF RDNA so would that be similar enough?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Personally, I think your vastly over estimating how much cheaper Sony can get stuff for BOM wise.
You’re not just ordering a gpu, you’re ordering everything, all the components, cpu, GPU, PCs, materials, as well as design, marketing overheads, all those little pieces you never think of.
I know companies like to inflate their product costs, and nvidia are awful for it, sure. But this is like two grands worth of kit people are talking about here,and while yes they will get it substantially cheaper than any of us ever could sue to bulk order, I can’t see them getting it all for as cheap as some think. I just can’t.
This is all about a theoretical nearly 14tf machine.
9tf? You’re looking at a cheaper console to produce. But the higher up you go, the worse the outlook is.
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Vinex
Neo Member
Mate stop hanging on kleegamefan's tree, just move on...
Gamernyc78
Banned
Like Ive said for over a year it'll hit 120 million and more when it's all said and done. Sony machines tend to be supported and sell till around two years after latest machine starts selling
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Agnostic2020
Member
It’s at 110 million by end of December 2019 . It will hit 118 million before ps5 launches . So 130 million after all is said and done is safe betLike Ive said for over a year it'll hit 120 million when it's all said and done. Sony machines tend to be supported and sell till around two years after latest machine starts selling
Gamernyc78
Banned
OH I agree it'll do more than 120 I just remember saying 120 like two years ago and ppl were like nah more like 100 or 110 million.
LED Guy?
Banned
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Neo Blaster
Member
Maybe, but reaching PS2 levels are definitely not the case. Its sales were strongly helped by piracy in 3rd World countries.l, which will not happen this time.
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