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[photogaz]

UK really gets shafted by Sony

 

[Koopatrol]

UK really gets shafted by Sony

I'm still not over Sony closing down Studio Liverpool.

 

[Neo Blaster]

UK really gets shafted by Sony

Blame it on brexit, probably.

 

[photogaz]

Looking at the PS5 news signup pages, the pages were created on the 19th December, so maybe not an indication that the PS5 news is months away.

 

[Rightisright]

So at this point judging by the timing of invitations going out last reveal, there isn't going to be a Feb reveal?
Who was the poster who said that they were booking flights to the US for Sony peeps for March?

 

[Brudda26]

That's most likely a side affect of brexit.

 

[Syn Marnotrawny]

They close every studio that doesn't make 3rd person action adventure games.

 

[David Ricardo]

So at this point judging by the timing of invitations going out last reveal, there isn't going to be a Feb reveal?
Who was the poster who said that they were booking flights to the US for Sony peeps for March?

Judging by the timing of invitations last reveal, they could send them tomorrow for the 26th.

 

[Rightisright]

Judging by the timing of invitations last reveal, they could send them tomorrow for the 26th.

So you would expect people to say they have an invite as soon as they go out. Cant imagine Sony would put an invite under a NDA. Didn't last time.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Judging by the timing of invitations last reveal, they could send them tomorrow for the 26th.

Let’s see . I doubt at this point . Maybe an article ? With event in may maybe ?

 

[BGs]

Bgs you didn’t like my 11.5 tf ps5 message? Haha What am I missing ?

11.5x1.2 =13.8 gcn tf

tell me where I need to work more lol

Microsoft Windows Calculator say that's correct

 

[Agnostic2020]

One thing to keep in mind here is that while RDNA tflops are 25% better than Polaris tflops, they are actually 50-60% more powerful than the GCN 1.0 Tahiti tflops the base x1 and ps4 were based on. So the 9.2 tflops oberon is actually 13.8 PS4 Tflops. and the 12 tflops xsex is basically 18-20 xbox one tflops.

It's why I have always believe Phil was talking about rdna tflops and so are all the PS5 is stronger insiders. no one is talking about gcn tflops when they look at the spec sheets. Phil said over 8x xbox one s which is 1.4 tflops * 8 = 11.2 tflops. Curious how he didnt say 9. because 9 * 1.4 tflops gets us to 12.6 tflops which is over their 12 tflops target.

I know man but to me It seemed bgs was giving hint about tf . He said assume 13.8 is gcn tf what is it in rdna assuming it’s 1.2 multiplier . So I did he math

 

[darkinstinct]

No, not that. Approximately 1.2x (x = number here). I didn't mean 1.20.

25% is a ¿rounding?

AMD is comparing to Vega GCN. Compared to Polaris GCN, RDNA is actually closer to 1.5x more efficient.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Microsoft Windows Calculator say that's correct

Haha you cheeky monster we are info starved . Help us poor lost souls haha

xsx is 11.5 tf ?

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

 

[darkinstinct]

No. By the time the GDC takes place the PS5 should already be presented (otherwise, something strange would be happening). The Gif did not mean that. It represented the beginning of a series of events until its release.

What would happen? Devkits are out in the open. If things leak, they leak now and in the past months. It's not like there will be surprises to devs half a year before launch, they have been building games for these consoles for 1.5+ years already. That talk about GDC being what everybody needs to get ahead off is such a ridiculous idea.

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's most likely a side affect of brexit.

Likely being a bit over cautious, but they are indeed mysteriously hiring in the Netherlands... instead of consolidating dev studios here.

 

[darkinstinct]

That's not what happened, though. The CFO talked in detail about why they cannot say anything right now which was not limited to but included that they have competition. And that stuff like production and availability of parts influences their decision as well. He absolutely implied they do not know final pricing right now.

 

[SNPlayen]

So if there is no reveal in Feb. March isnt that far away....Although im starting to lose hope in March.

 

[David Ricardo]

So you would expect people to say they have an invite as soon as they go out. Cant imagine Sony would put an invite under a NDA. Didn't last time.

I don't expect anything, but it's a possibility in the frame of the hypothetical you presented.

Let’s see . I doubt at this point . Maybe an article ? With event in may maybe ?

Don't know what to expect. Just know ZhugeEX made a joke about something related with PS5s reveal tomorrow. Let's just wait and see.

 

[Agnostic2020]

I don't expect anything, but it's a possibility in the frame of the hypothetical you presented.



Don't know what to expect. Just know ZhugeEX made a joke about something related with PS5s reveal tomorrow. Let's just wait and see.

And ps guy on era said i plead the febth

 

[Mriverz]

any rumours on psvr2? Trying to imagine a 4k (or 1440) Re8 first person on the new vr

 

[BGs]

What would happen? Devkits are out in the open. If things leak, they leak now and in the past months. It's not like there will be surprises to devs half a year before launch, they have been building games for these consoles for 1.5+ years already. That talk about GDC being what everybody needs to get ahead off is such a ridiculous idea.

That's why it would be strange. Something bad would have to happen.

I did not quite understand the last sentence. Someone can translate me please? Sorry.

Spoiler: in SPANISH

(por eso sería extraño, algo malo tendría que pasar para que eso sucediera.

No se si acabo de entender la última frase)

 

[Gediminas]

That's not what happened, though. The CFO talked in detail about why they cannot say anything right now which was not limited to but included that they have competition. And that stuff like production and availability of parts influences their decision as well. He absolutely implied they do not know final pricing right now.

do you speak japanese language? i am thinking that Nelva does. chinese and japanese language are different from others, they are translated little different and sometimes the idea of the sentence is different.

 

[joe_zazen]

any rumours on psvr2? Trying to imagine a 4k (or 1440) Re8 first person on the new vr

closing vr studios...yeah, idk if psvr2 will see the light of day.

 

[bitbydeath]

That's why it would be strange. Something bad would have to happen.

I did not quite understand the last sentence. Someone can translate me please? Sorry.

Spoiler: in SPANISH

(por eso sería extraño, algo malo tendría que pasar para que eso sucediera.

No se si acabo de entender la última frase)

D darkinstinct said that Sony should not need to reveal the PS5 before GDC in March.

He’s right, Xbox unveiled Xbox One in April, so there is precedence.

 

[Agnostic2020]

closing vr studios...yeah, idk if psvr2 will see the light of day.

Bgs says otherwise . Maybe the studio was not performing ? Not a single trailer in 5 years man for a vr title

 

[sonomamashine]

It might seem unlikely, and it probably won't play out that way when all is said and done. But, it's just a scenario that could be worth considering.



Samsung has Aquabolt (upper-end) and Flarebolt (lower-end) HBM2 modules at current. The upper modules give 307 GB/s on stacks of 4GB and 8GB, while the lower one gives 256 GB/s in 4GB and 8GB modules.

It's theoretically possible one could use HBM2 but that's going to be the more expensive out of the two, easily. HBM's issue has generally always been the interposer complexity. So if, say, the PS5 were using HBM2, they might save on interposer costs and complexity by just using 2x 8GB modules, preferably Aquabolt.

That said I think people are overestimating the advantages of HBM vs. GDDR6 when it comes to gaming. Most gaming code and algorithms utilize compression, and if the systems are similar in processing power (they definitely are in terms of the CPUs at least) the one with HBM and, say, a 2048-bit bus isn't going to benefit too much from that since anything 256-bit bus or larger with the GPUs these systems will likely use won't be bandwidth-starved due to the bus size, and they may not have the processing power to fully utilize the expanded bus a 2048-bit HBM2 memory pool would provide.

Just personal speculation/thoughts of course.

"FLASHBOLT" 16GB

Samsung Unveils 'Flashbolt' 3rd Gen HBM2E 16 Gb Memory, Up To 3.2 Gbps Pin Speeds

Samsung nnounced the market launch of ‘Flashbolt’, its third-generation High Bandwidth Memory 2E (HBM2E) at a capacity of 16 GB.

wccftech.com

 

[Soadi]

closing vr studios...yeah, idk if psvr2 will see the light of day.

They already confirmed support no?

 

[BGs]

D darkinstinct said that Sony should not need to reveal the PS5 before GDC in March.

He’s right, Xbox unveiled Xbox One in April, so there is precedence.

True. Sony has no need to present PS5 before the GDC. But if they don't do it before I hope they do it during. Otherwise I will make a useless trip. I do not know if is understandable what I'm trying to say. I suppose that if a situation is not going to exist we will be notified in time. I hope.

 

[joe_zazen]

Bgs says otherwise . Maybe the studio was not performing ? Not a single trailer in 5 years man for a vr title

if vr is a pillar, why close the studio? Was every employee bad? Of course not, so just fire the management and/or creative leads. I mean, when uncharted 4 was having issues, sony/ND just fired henning and gave the project to someone else.

It is like with Evolution and Driveclub. They shut the studio down because arcade/simcade racing was not profitable enough, not because of bad management. If simcade/arcade racing was important to them, they would have kept it open or opened a new studio. They did neither.

So, if they open a new VR studio, then yeah all is good. But closing the studio plus moving the astrobot guy to lead a flat gaming team, idk.

 

[Gediminas]

closing vr studios...yeah, idk if psvr2 will see the light of day.

no need to overreact. how many games they created? 5 years, 1 game? shit studio which suck the money out of sony. they are cutting just dead limps.

 

[Self High Five]

Spoiler

Chill man. Life could be worse.

Next time spoiler that shit & tag it as NSFW dammit

 

[joe_zazen]

They already confirmed support no?

they have only said gen 1 will work with ps5. I have heard no announcements from Sony about psvr2 except that it isnt launching with 5. I don't think that is confirmation of anything.

hope i am wrong.

 

[Agnostic2020]

True. Sony has no need to present PS5 before the GDC. But if they don't do it before I hope they do it during. Otherwise I will make a useless trip. I do not know if is understandable what I'm trying to say. I suppose that if a situation is not going to exist we will be notified in time. I hope.

Can you say if ps5 is double digit in TF (above 10)?or u r not allowed ?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Bgs says otherwise . Maybe the studio was not performing ? Not a single trailer in 5 years man for a vr title

They didn't perform at all, not a single game released.

 

[David Ricardo]

That's why it would be strange. Something bad would have to happen.

I did not quite understand the last sentence. Someone can translate me please? Sorry.

Spoiler: in SPANISH

(por eso sería extraño, algo malo tendría que pasar para que eso sucediera.

No se si acabo de entender la última frase)

Spoiler

Dice que le parece una idea ridícula el que se hable de la GDC como algo a lo que todos tienen que adelantarse.

I expect something to happen if not in the coming days, definitely this month.

 

[joe_zazen]

They didn't perform at all, not a single game released.

thats on sony for hiring bad management/leads. Doesn't mean the whole studio is rotten.

who were the creative director and the head manger? Industry vets with track records?

 

[Darklor01]

Spoiler

Dice que le parece una idea ridícula el que se hable de la GDC como algo a lo que todos tienen que adelantarse.

I expect something to happen if not in the coming days, definitely this month.

At this point I expect Sony will show what they want when they want. That isn’t a knock on them. It’s me saying they have a plan and they’re going to stick to it. Always were.

 

[chemical boy]

True. Sony has no need to present PS5 before the GDC. But if they don't do it before I hope they do it during. Otherwise I will make a useless trip. I do not know if is understandable what I'm trying to say. I suppose that if a situation is not going to exist we will be notified in time. I hope.

I don't know if you are allowed to comment on this but do you work in a multiplatform game? And the last question, you could put a video of something that represents the graphic level that we can expect at the start of PS5 and Xbox SX during the gameplay, some reference to get an idea of the visual level. Thank you.

 

[TLZ]

oh really? I just took it for granted what I read on the forums was right lol

Heh. Every time I read it I scratched my head wondering what 25 years is it for? I knew something wasn't right. Only today I bothered googling

 

[Entroyp]

Blame it on brexit, probably.

I wonder if Brexit played a tole on this. Not saying it did for sure.

 

[BGs]

So Sony are closing studios and Microsoft are buying..

Redirecting

i will investigate

(see you all, to late now 12:20am, goodnight)

 

[joe_zazen]

yeah, they hired a guy whose claim to fame was working on Singstar games and some eye toy stuff for the creative lead Of Manchster. So instead of head hunting some real talent, they just close the studio down.

 

[Bligtgate]

What if.. all this time dev had only ps5 and xbox series S SKU to work with and they have to scale up for xbox series X and that why we only ear that PS5 is stronger.

im sticking to my guess Numbers

ps5 8 to 9 TF at 399$
Xbox series 6 to 7 TF at 299$
Xbox series X 11 to 12 TF at 499$

 

[LED Guy?]

Microsoft Windows Calculator say that's correct

Can you please tell us the range of RNDA TFlops both consoles are in please? The wait is killing me!

I think both are from 12 to 13 TF RDNA TeraFlops range......please tell us if this is correct or not!!

 

[Agnostic2020]

What if.. all this time dev had only ps5 and xbox series S SKU to work with and they have to scale up for xbox series X and that why we only ear that PS5 is stronger.

im sticking to my guess Numbers

ps5 8 to 9 TF at 399$
Xbox series 6 to 7 TF at 299$
Xbox series X 11 to 12 TF at 499$

Target spe has been the 12 tf from begining of 2019.it has been always xsx

 

[David Ricardo]

At this point I expect Sony will show what they want when they want. That isn’t a knock on them. It’s me saying they have a plan and they’re going to stick to it. Always were.

They said just today that their timing will be comparable to what they did the last time.

But what you said about showing what they want made me think. If they are as close in performance as many are saying, let's say PS5 is 12.9 and Series X 12.1. That's close enough so Microsoft could overclock their APU to bridge the gap. So, in that case, would it make sense for Sony to say their exact teraflop numbers at this point in time? Wouldn't it be wiser to wait until after E3 when it would be too late for Microsoft to react?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Just curious, where did all the Lockhart 7TF estimates suddenly come from?

It's been 4TF for probably a year? Around a week ago (or less), suddenly 6-7 TF?

 

[Bligtgate]

Target spe has been the 12 tf from begining of 2019.it has been always xsx

For Xbox or PS5? Or both?