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[schaft0620]

When do you think Sony Santa Monica will get an XBox Series X dev kit to port MLB the Show on given the new contract with the MLB?

Not this MLB but the next.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Not this MLB but the next.

Cheers was trying to remember if the contract was in effect this year or next.

 

[MarkMe2525]

You can’t apply the same logic to movies because they age better. I was kidding with the 5 people wanting to play it statement obviously. It isn’t Stadia bad but I’d say it’s less popular than the current state of VR.

It’s a niche segment overall.

I don't know man... I would think the retro gaming market is alot bigger than the vr audience.

 

[TLZ]

That should appease the 5 or so people that play BC games.

One here! 4 left!

 

[schaft0620]

No thanks. The Xbox UI is awful.

I'm not sure what I hate more, Xbox UI or the clunkyness of PSN.

 

[schaft0620]

Sorry for double posting.

Not to discount or take away from anything you said but alot of it seems wrong and highly unlikely what are chances you's share a source aha

I can't believe neither got banned.

As do BC titles on more powerful hardware.

This is a 1/2 truth. Xbox has a team dedicated to BC. Often times BC can help with load times. But unless somebody does something to improve it, BC on better console hardware doesn't do anything. There's a ton of just straight emulation too.

Working on any of these games in any form costs money and having the legal right.

 

[Reindeer]

Perfectly understandable, he probably didn't want to spend the rest of his life making Gears franchise. Gears is being run into the the ground just like COD and other seminal franchises.

 

[Rightisright]

 

[Rightisright]

For those Japanese speakers here.
"There is no doubt the Xbox Series X is aiming for overwhelmingly higher performance than the PS5"

"PS5 wants to be cheaper than the Xbox Series X, because of this difference in power"

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

For those Japanese speakers here.
"There is no doubt the Xbox Series X is aiming for overwhelmingly higher performance than the PS5"

"PS5 wants to be cheaper than the Xbox Series X, because of this difference in power"

based on no evidence at all

 

[Rightisright]

based on no evidence at all

Who knows. I would say we will find out soon, but its not looking that way. #hurryupsony

 

[sinnergy]

Evidence is starting to pull up for Sony, SOON people , soon!

 

[Agnostic2020]

Evidence is starting to pull up for Sony, SOON people , soon!

Just saw what you refer to.

Ms is much less confident that xbox fans .

We have 3 tf advatage , lets say "Our most powerful comsole " cause we dont wanna upset sony lol yeah right

 

[sinnergy]

And the best part is Phil told them years ago that they would combine it with their cloud biz. They are making a powerful chip that can be binned into other platforms ... so you can reduce the cost by spread ... I think it’s brilliant.

Enough said.

 

[Rightisright]

A question for the techies.
Can you go from 36CUs to 38? Or does it have to be multiples of 4? And if so, why?

 

[Agnostic2020]

And the best part is Phil told them years ago that they would combine it with their cloud biz. Theyare making a powerful chip that can be binned into other platforms ... so you can reduce the cost by spread ...

Enough said.

Yea agree enough said cause you said bunch of setences with zero backing and proof.show us the proof that it can be binned for otherplatforms ?your thoughts only ?lol

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Forbes contributor. Right

 

[sinnergy]

Yea agree enough said cause you said bunch of setences with zero backing and proof.show us the proof that it can be binned for otherplatforms ?your thoughts only ?lol

Sensitive much? Come on man ... off course it’s my own research ... but if people read between the lines . It’s clear. I know just as much as the insiders here from the past years

 

[Agnostic2020]

Forbes contributor. Right

He is an ign editor in japan if i m not mistaken. He said ms has significant power advantage and later here he said slight power advatage . I can see ms having slight power advatage but siginificant i dont see itherwise ms woulsnt keep sayin "our most powerful console"

 

[KAL2006]

I was thinking what if Sony go for a new form of marketing where they trickle out specs before a big reveal in June.


For example they release a article or video explaining each but of new tech in the PS5.

So let's say in February we get Backwards Compatibility information, how boost mode works, example of a patched game like Control that uses Ray Tracing on PS5. 4K60FPS Monster Hunter. Showing 3 different versions of backwards compatibility, original, boost and patched.

Then in early March they talk about CPU upgrade and what that means for games and how they can be improved.

Then end of March they talk about HD Audio and what that means sound design.

Then in April they talk about GPU and finally reveal the flop count.

Then in May they talk about storage and memory, SSD, RAM, UHD Drive and how that affects game design. Examples of loading games etc.

Finally in June a week or 2 after E3 Sony fully unveil the PS5, the look of the system and controller. Launch lineup and price.

This way Sony gets multiple headlines, and they can focus on each but of specs so casual laymen get a insight without being overwhelmed on why the tech is better.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Sensitive much? Come on man ... off course it’s my own research ... but if people read between the lines . It’s clear. I know just as much as the insiders here from the past years

True lol you might be true . I feel ms will have slight advatage in tf but not 9 vs 12 . We both know if ms knew it was 9 vs 12 their marketing and pr would be different . Even 2 days ago phil said gpu jump doesnt matter much and is not as important , next gen is about fps and cpu. That doesnt sound like a great marketing plan when you have 3 tf more powerful gpu.

 

[Syn Marnotrawny]

why the tech is better.

Better than what?

 

[KAL2006]

Better than what?

PS4, or how it's a generational leap to their last system.

 

[bitbydeath]

True lol you might be true . I feel ms will have slight advatage in tf but not 9 vs 12 . We both know if ms knew it was 9 vs 12 their marketing and pr would be different . Even 2 days ago phil said gpu jump doesnt matter much and is not as important , next gen is about fps and cpu. That doesnt sound like a great marketing plan when you have 3 tf more powerful gpu.

Devs have also been praising PS5 and neglecting any comments on Xbox which is interesting.

 

[Rightisright]

Forbes contributor. Right

Not vouching for him. Don't even really know who he is.
But it came across my Twitter.

 

[sinnergy]

True lol you might be true . I feel ms will have slight advatage in tf but not 9 vs 12 . We both know if ms knew it was 9 vs 12 their marketing and pr would be different . Even 2 days ago phil said gpu jump doesnt matter much and is not as important , next gen is about fps and cpu. That doesnt sound like a great marketing plan when you have 3 tf more powerful gpu.

Why would MS do that and show their cards completely? Sony isn’t either ... it’s better to keep humble at some things ..

But a binned approach makes much more sense for MS as they have more platforms of use.

This approach would fit perfectly with how MS runs their business and the markets they operate. (B2B, cloud, consumer, hardware etc..)

And we as games would benefit of a powerful design.

And reduce cost for MS.

My 2 cents.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Devs have also been praising PS5 and neglecting any comments on Xbox which is interesting.

That could be cause their dev kits are not as mature as sony .but ms pr is the weird part here.

Imagine ms having 3 tf advatage on gpu yet you say "most powerful console we made " and past week , 2 people from xbox , phil and someone else , they downplayed the importance of gpu and praise cpu. I get that thats correct somewhat but if u had a 3tf power advantage you would try to make a big deal out of it and not down play it.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Why would MS do that and show their cards completely? Sony isn’t either ... it’s better to keep humble at some things ..

But a binned approach makes much more sense for MS as the have more platforms of use.

This approach would fit perfectly with how MS runs their business and te markets they operate.

And we as games would benefit of a powerful design.

And reduce cost for MS.

My 2 cents.

Thats not how ms roles and we both know . A year and half in davance they started saying it about x1x even before ps4 pro was annouced . "Most powerful console ever".they both know each other specs by now from 3rd parties with target specs .

 

[sinnergy]

And I think MS showed confidence by showing the console form factor ... which tells you a lot. If you are willing to be open.

 

[hemo memo]

Interesting. It seem like Microsoft will do everything to win the power war this gen. But is it gonna be worth it? We will see.

 

[sinnergy]

Thats not how ms roles and we both know . A year and half in davance they started saying it about x1x even before ps4 pro was annouced . "Most powerful console ever".they both know each other specs by now from erd parties with target specs .

Personally I think devs didn’t know, why would they? If you told them we target 10 TF it would be enough to create amazing launch game’s ...

But in reality it is 12, so devs now have a bit more room..

But I admit, that would be the strategy I would use .

 

[Agnostic2020]

And I think MS showed confidence by showing the console form factor ... which tells you a lot. If you are willing to be open.

2 more months max and we know the answers .

 

[chemical boy]

If confirmed I will buy the Xbox and already in the future the PS5 PRO. A 2-3TFLOPS difference is an important difference. But I don't think this happens. Although this new Sony gives me less and less confidence.

 

[FranXico]

Devs have also been praising PS5 and neglecting any comments on Xbox which is interesting.

That could just be a stricter NDA from MS.

 

[DJ12]

Evidence is starting to pull up for Sony, SOON people , soon!

What have you seen, sharing is caring

I was thinking what if Sony go for a new form of marketing where they trickle out specs before a big reveal in June.

If they haven't released everything by GDC, devs will do the job for them.

 

[Reindeer]

Devs have also been praising PS5 and neglecting any comments on Xbox which is interesting.

Problem with that is those devs who praised PS5 over Xbox were either making exclusives games for PS5 or had issue with Microsoft in the past. Other devs who were neutral said both consoles were looking good.

 

[hemo memo]

Evidence is starting to pull up for Sony, SOON people , soon!

English dictionary definition soon or Sony/insiders soon? There’s a big difference.

 

[FranXico]

Problem with that is those devs who praised PS5 over Xbox were either making exclusives games for PS5 or had issue with Microsoft in the past. Other devs who were neutral said both consoles were looking good.

Leading to every new gen, the "console A and B now allow us this to do this and that" public comments from devs are always PR lip service.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Don’t forget, the PS5 development experience is also a whole year more mature than the SX, if the reports tell the full story. It was started with an aim to release last year, and while a lot won’t be able to just be pushed into a new machine, a lot of it likely will.

So of course I would expect PS5 machines to be further ahead and of course working better. Why wouldn’t they? I would be worried if they wasn’t. But everything coming out suggests that the PS5 kits are very far along, and the SX still... isn’t. Also note that depending on your studio, you may not be getting the final, or even latest, dev kits.

So what does it all mean? The reports all coming out make sense. But don’t read too much into them, as usual.

 

[bigol]

Evidence is starting to pull up for Sony, SOON people , soon!

Soon is a relative word. It can mean "in one day" if pronounced by one guy, it can mean "one year" according to another guy.

So, yeah, soon is correct, but it's not literally soon, like just few days or few weeks. I expect them to announce something around May or around E3, after Microsoft makes the first move.

 

[DrDamn]

Problem with that is those devs who praised PS5 over Xbox were either making exclusives games for PS5 or had issue with Microsoft in the past. Other devs who were neutral said both consoles were looking good.

Think this is a good point to bear in mind for all information. Everyone has their preferences and biases. Posters, trolls, insiders and their sources. All the information we get is tempered with a variety of bias.

 

[Mriverz]

For my technical peeps. If Sony is using the Samsung SSD, would it be more beneficial if they was using the flash or aquabolt HBM over gddr? Would it be more in sync? What benefits would it provide? I know its a long shot but curious.

 

[Rightisright]

The PS5 3D audio chip is going to be apart of the APU. Will be interesting to know how much die space this will take and what cost.
Maybe Sony decided to have this on their die instead of extra Cus compared to Microsoft.

 

[OrionNebula]

If you look at my post, I bolded the stuff that I said was true. The date and cost no one knows.

Just wait.

‘’PS5... just wait’’

It has a certain ring to it...

 

[PaintTinJr]

If they haven't released everything by GDC, devs will do the job for them.

I expect the circle of trust to be tiny in comparison to the past. Substitute PC hardware in devkits and virtualising hardware allows Microsoft and Sony to abstract the actual hardware until they are ready to reveal.

The only question for me is: Are middleware developers and all first party developers in the circle, yet? On Sony’s side of things - by the way they are dialling back from traditional marketing channels - I would say the answer is no.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

For those Japanese speakers here.
"There is no doubt the Xbox Series X is aiming for overwhelmingly higher performance than the PS5"

"PS5 wants to be cheaper than the Xbox Series X, because of this difference in power"

Bullcrap, say it loud with me!

 

[Darklor01]

Tweets like this withstanding...

I looked up a recent history of his articles for Forbes. Not one article where he isn’t showing an Xbox bias. It doesn’t mean he’s wrong, but it certainly raises red flags. Point in fact, actually, I could not easily find an article about PS5 outside of one on the controller mock-up the other day someone did. Just articles on why to not count out Xbox this gen or how MS has the edge on Sony.

 

[Mass Shift]

The PS5 3D audio chip is going to be apart of the APU. Will be interesting to know how much die space this will take and what cost.
Maybe Sony decided to have this on their die instead of extra Cus compared to Microsoft.

I for one am looking forward to what Sony's 3D audio is capable of, couldn't guess how much space it's going to take up though. On Durango diagrams the Xbox One's sound block didn't seem to take up much space, but 3D audio might be an entirely different beast of accommodation. The SHAPE processor was one of the rare bright points you could praise the Xbox One over. The One's audio was always phenomenal, audiophile quality really no matter what it was playing.

I expect 3D audio to top this.

 

[Rightisright]

Bullcrap, say it loud with me!

In Japanese I hope.

 

[Rightisright]

I for one am looking forward to what Sony's 3D audio is capable of, couldn't guess how much space it's going to take up though. On Durango diagrams the Xbox One's sound block didn't seem to take up much space, but 3D audio might be an entirely different beast of accommodation. The SHAPE processor was one of the rare bright points you could praise the Xbox One over. The One's audio was always phenomenal, audiophile quality really no matter what it was playing.

I expect 3D audio to top this.

I tried to look up 3D audio chips or DACs but couldn't find anything. I'm interested to see what its all about, and wonder if it's an expensive addition. I mean, even 20 or 30 Dollars is expensive in console terms.