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[darkinstinct]

If i remember correctly before the PS4 Pro was announced some information got complicated as eventually it turned out that 2 new Playstations were revealed, the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro. What if now the same thing is happening? What if Sony (and maybe Microsoft too) are not only preparing new Consoles but also preparing slimmer models of their existing consoles and trying to use similar chips (to save money?) and all these lower power results are the results of that?

That lower power Oberon APU has gone through five steppings. That's a lot of money if you could just do a die shrink of GCN and call it a day. Also that would imply that AMD leaked every APU they have in development except for the actual PS5 APU. How realistic is that?Especially with Microsoft being half a year behind Sony in terms of devkit deployment. Also PS5 is not actually low powered. 9.2 TF RDNA is huge. And you can't have all. If PS5 uses ReRAM and a special SSD much faster than anything on the market and resistance triggers - guess what, they will have to save that money elsewhere. Like on the die size. Which means they have less raw power. That is if they target the same price.

So you are willing to trash Osiris Black every time he posts but you are not willing to take responsibility for your behavior?

If Osiris Black information will end up correct, then you should at least apologize him.

Oh, I absolutely will.

 

[CyberPanda]

 

[Bogroll]

I'm not being fooled by Tommy Fisher,


I don't agree, it didn't look anything special and remember this is a game that has to run primarily on the XB1 with its netbook CPU and HDD.

On top of that, 343 has shown they do not have talent on par with the best in the industry like ND, Guerilla Games etc to push the artstyle to something noteworthy. That's just reality. If Infinite was going to be visually mind blowing, how come Halo 5 was bang average visuals wise? This is very telling. By contrast, Uncharted 4 or Horizon: ZD were absolutely mind blowing on PS4. Some devs have the set-up and environment to push visuals to their limit. Others do not, 343 is one of them and history has shown this.

I thought they looked great as well but have you thought what Hzd or Uncharted 4 would have looked like at 60fps. Besides Halo 5 is a much faster paced game as well streaming in things faster etc. I'm sure if Halo 5 was 30fps and slow paced it would look a lot lot better.

 

[DJ12]

That lower power Oberon APU has gone through five steppings. That's a lot of money if you could just do a die shrink of GCN and call it a day. Also that would imply that AMD leaked every APU they have in development except for the actual PS5 APU. How realistic is that?Especially with Microsoft being half a year behind Sony in terms of devkit deployment. Also PS5 is not actually low powered. 9.2 TF RDNA is huge. And you can't have all. If PS5 uses ReRAM and a special SSD much faster than anything on the market and resistance triggers - guess what, they will have to save that money elsewhere. Like on the die size. Which means they have less raw power.

The fact remains that this is all conjecture there is a no actual proof oberon is the ps5s chip. It could easily be a chip for Sony's ps now server farms.

Without context the information is worthless, and people unwilling to accept that simply want it to be true.

When you have people talking directly to debs saying they are close, why not just listen. Instead of clinging to that dead horse just because it makes you feel better about your brand choice.

If the leak is true, both are single digit tf, if the leak has nothing to do with an actual retail ps5 chip then I guess both are around 12.

Unless the devs talking to the 'insiders' are trolling their friends, which seems unlikely, I don't know how anyone with any sort of intelligence can suggest otherwise.

If one is weak, then they are both weak. If one is 12 tflops, then the other is in the same ballpark.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I thought they looked great as well but have you thought what Hzd or Uncharted 4 would have looked like at 60fps. Besides Halo 5 is a much faster paced game as well streaming in things faster etc. I'm sure if Halo 5 was 30fps and slow paced it would look a lot lot better.

Or it would be a straight a 1080p game with same graphics like it is at 60fps. Remind you that game has a very rare moments at 1080p.

 

[chemical boy]

Care to point me towards where you said anything about a new Tsushima trailer or that the devkit is the final box? Because the search function doesn't return any such results.

Also for a person with no agenda you sure took some smashing hits at Tim when he says something that doesn't sound great about PS5. Not the reaction I would expect from an objective person.

What an obsession! if you are not interested just ignore him, many of us want to read him.

 

[Kusarigama]

what is this now?

 

[Bogroll]

Or it would be a straight a 1080p game with same graphics like it is at 60fps. Remind you that game has a very rare moments at 1080p.

Maybe yes but that doesn't mean 343 hasn't got the talent to make good looking games. What would HZD and U4 look like at 60fps 720p and 40to 60 fps

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Maybe yes but that doesn't mean 343 hasn't got the talent to make good looking games. What would HZD and U4 look like at 60fps 720p and 40to 60 fps

Better than Halo for sure because base PS4 has more raw power + Guerilla's and Naughty Dog's capabilities

 

[CyberPanda]

what is this now?

Showing that the GitHub leak was legit. Google drive was forced to remove the upload by the DMCA.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Showing that the GitHub leak was legit. Google drive was forced to remove the upload by the DMCA.

Did someone said it wasn't? But surely they're old ones

 

[bitbydeath]

Showing that the GitHub leak was legit. Google drive was forced to remove the upload by the DMCA.

Github is owned by Microsoft not Google.

 

[Bogroll]

Better than Halo for sure because base PS4 has more raw power + Guerilla's and Naughty Dog's capabilities

So what would it look like if the Ps4 was 1.31 tf.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So what would it look like if the Ps4 was 1.31 tf.

Maybe better then because better GPGPU capabilities and fine grain compute which Xbone GPU lacks of

 

[Bogroll]

Maybe better then because better GPGPU capabilities and fine grain compute which Xbone GPU lacks of

So at least you see sence with a "Maybe"

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So at least you see sence with a "Maybe"

Yeah, mind you what Naughty Dog pulled off during last gen with weaker GPU.

 

[Bogroll]

Yeah, mind you what Naughty Dog pulled off during last gen with weaker GPU.

That's another debate

 

[liviopangt]

Ciao . tranquilli ragazzi ps5 se havra 10 tf li compensera con un raytracing migliore che su xsx per compensare la minore potenza della gpu , marc cerny nn e uno sprovveduto sa cosa hanno bisogno i sviluppatori

 

[cragarmi]

A few people have asked me about raytracing now, so I thought I would enquire at our latest drinking session. There isn't a lot I can tell you right now. But what I can say is when turning on raytracing in engine on PS5 devkit the frame rate cost is around 30%. Bearing in mind this is before any optimisation. The Dev team think they will be able to get this down to 15-20%, which should be enough to hit their target frame rate without too much trouble. On the PC turning on the same effects on Nvidia hardware costs around 35%. I can't give you comparison with Series X as the team are still yet to receive their kits. Apparently they may have to wait till April! Which would give Sony a considerable leg-up in terms of hands on time with the hardware. This may also explain why no Series X exclusives for launch, if teams simply haven't had long enough to aquiant themselves to the hardware.

 

[chilichote]

Ciao . tranquilli ragazzi ps5 se havra 10 tf li compensera con un raytracing migliore che su xsx per compensare la minore potenza della gpu , marc cerny nn e uno sprovveduto sa cosa hanno bisogno i sviluppatori

Google translator says:

"Hello . don't worry guys ps5 if havra 10 tf will compensate them with a better raytracing than on xsx to compensate for the lower power of the gpu, marc cerny nn and an unwary knows what the developers need"

 

[TLZ]

Ciao . tranquilli ragazzi ps5 se havra 10 tf li compensera con un raytracing migliore che su xsx per compensare la minore potenza della gpu , marc cerny nn e uno sprovveduto sa cosa hanno bisogno i sviluppatori

Ciao. I'm molto tranquilli

 

[Agnostic2020]

A few people have asked me about raytracing now, so I thought I would enquire at our latest drinking session. There isn't a lot I can tell you right now. But what I can say is when turning on raytracing in engine on PS5 devkit the frame rate cost is around 30%. Bearing in mind this is before any optimisation. The Dev team think they will be able to get this down to 15-20%, which should be enough to hit their target frame rate without too much trouble. On the PC turning on the same effects on Nvidia hardware costs around 35%. I can't give you comparison with Series X as the team are still yet to receive their kits. Apparently they may have to wait till April! Which would give Sony a considerable leg-up in terms of hands on time with the hardware. This may also explain why no Series X exclusives for launch, if teams simply haven't had long enough to aquiant themselves to the hardware.

For tf are we above 9.2 tf for ps5?

 

[FranXico]

Showing that the GitHub leak was legit. Google drive was forced to remove the upload by the DMCA.

Legit, but how representative of the complete hardware or close to final is anyone's guess.

 

[liviopangt]

A few people have asked me about raytracing now, so I thought I would enquire at our latest drinking session. There isn't a lot I can tell you right now. But what I can say is when turning on raytracing in engine on PS5 devkit the frame rate cost is around 30%. Bearing in mind this is before any optimisation. The Dev team think they will be able to get this down to 15-20%, which should be enough to hit their target frame rate without too much trouble. On the PC turning on the same effects on Nvidia hardware costs around 35%. I can't give you comparison with Series X as the team are still yet to receive their kits. Apparently they may have to wait till April! Which would give Sony a considerable leg-up in terms of hands on time with the hardware. This may also explain why no Series X exclusives for launch, if teams simply haven't had long enough to aquiant themselves to the hardware.

ciao .
ma sei un programmatore per consol ?secondo te questo vantaggio di avere kit di sviluppo per ps5 quasi definitivi sara un vantaggio per i primi 2 anni di vita delle consol in termini di qualita grafica ?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I think Sony are still in price negotiations with AMD and were waiting for the official earnings call to demonstrate how many PS4's have sold and how many PS5's they expect to sell, in order to drive down the price of the chips from AMD.

Cheaper chips = Cheaper/more competitively priced console

 

[saintjules]

No but I can ask.



Most of the "Info that's out there." (I'm basing mine off of public developer comments and not even my own sources) suggests otherwise. Out of the people I know actually making multiplatform games for next generation consoles I have not heard a single person say that the XseX was more powerful. The closest thing I have even heard to back that up is that they were close enough for a clock adjustment to give the MS machine an edge and even then it would be minimal. That's the main reason I've been paying attention to Heisenberg as I am sure he's not full of shit. MS potentially releasing a cheaper machine is brilliant but both the PS5 and XseX are either going to come out at a premium price or the companies are going to eat upwards of $150 (that wont happen). There is a reason people have gone on the record and stated they aren't sure how these machines will be priced or why M.P said it sounded like a $800 or 1k console. Neither company is fucking around and I for one am happy that they are going all in.

These are the comments I like to read

 

[Slings and Arrows]

What if, Sony are going to go full Microsoft Xbone and release the PS5 with PSVR bundled in? the base console is 12+tf, plus VR and the total cost is $700?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

What if, Sony are going to go full Microsoft Xbone and release the PS5 with PSVR bundled in? the base console is 12+tf, plus VR and the total cost is $700?

I would politely ask for a drag of your spliff! Damn good shit.

 

[Mendou]

It's safe to assume that if the PS5's form factor is designed as a tower, then both consoles are neck and neck of each other. It's the cheapest and most efficient design to get 12tf out of a console.

 

[saintjules]

Can't wait for the PS5 reveal, I think it's gonna bring down both forums with all that traffic

.

Yes, it needs to rain down on us asap. It's been pretty dry for a while now

 

[ResilientBanana]

The official specs for both systems can’t come fast enough. I’m sorry but some of the “insiders” are clearly full of it. I really hope that the ones that are wrong finally fade away into the ether.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I would politely ask for a drag of your spliff! Damn good shit.

I always share the good herb, my man.

Though my crazy theory isn't totally crazy:

• Microsoft are toying with the idea of releasing 2 consoles; One powerful and affordable, one uber powerful and expensive.
• Sony are releasing one console, which if recent articles are to be believes will be 'for the niche' and extremely expensive.
• Microsoft can risk it, as they have lockhart to fall back on. "there's a console people can buy if they can't afford XSX, it's called XSS"
• Sony have rumoured to have said that their next dashboard will feature VR and will connect with apps "in ways never before seen"
• Sony are pushing VR, despite the nay-sayers, PSVR was a success for what it was, when it released and the specs it had. PSVR2 will absolutely be a thing.
• Sony could release a $450 PS5 and $800 PS5, one bundled with VR.
• Sony are doing hundreds of face to face meetings and small demonstrations world-wide. What if they're doing that to demonstrate, first hand, the power of VR and how much better the PS5 will play with VR?
• Edit: Sony are waiting for Microsoft to reveal their 'expensive' price to gauge the reaction of the audience/customer. Once they see where the atmosphere is, they can either separate VR and PS5 entirely OR go full steam ahead with just the one option.

Think about it from a revenue stream angle:

• PS5 2020
• PSvr2 2021
• PS5 slim 2022
• PSvr2 Slim/Wireless 2023
• PS5 Pro 2024
• PSVR2PRO 2025
• PS5 Pro Slim 2026
• PS6 2027

If not yearly releases, then at least every 18 months. You keep people within the Sony environment AND keep a steady revenue stream of new consoles and headsets.

 

[CyberPanda]

The official specs for both systems can’t come fast enough. I’m sorry but some of the “insiders” are clearly full of it. I really hope that the ones that are wrong finally fade away into the ether.

Yep

 

[saintjules]

If i remember correctly before the PS4 Pro was announced some information got complicated as eventually it turned out that 2 new Playstations were revealed, the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro. What if now the same thing is happening? What if Sony (and maybe Microsoft too) are not only preparing new Consoles but also preparing slimmer models of their existing consoles and trying to use similar chips (to save money?) and all these lower power results are the results of that?

I still think about that rumor from September from the guy who knew Switch Lite was coming, Zenji Nishikawa. He was hearing that a PS5 Pro Model would be released at the start of the generation. I always kept it in the back of my head even though what we know now may not be possible. Can only dream of that scenario coming to fruition.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I always share the good herb, my man.

Though my crazy theory isn't totally crazy:

• Microsoft are toying with the idea of releasing 2 consoles; One powerful and affordable, one uber powerful and expensive.
• Sony are releasing one console, which if recent articles are to be believes will be 'for the niche' and extremely expensive.
• Microsoft can risk it, as they have lockhart to fall back on. "there's a console people can buy if they can't afford XSX, it's called XSS"
• Sony have rumoured to have said that their next dashboard will feature VR and will connect with apps "in ways never before seen"
• Sony are pushing VR, despite the nay-sayers, PSVR was a success for what it was, when it released and the specs it had. PSVR2 will absolutely be a thing.
• Sony could release a $450 PS5 and $800 PS5, one bundled with VR.
• Sony are doing hundreds of face to face meetings and small demonstrations world-wide. What if they're doing that to demonstrate, first hand, the power of VR and how much better the PS5 will play with VR?
• Edit: Sony are waiting for Microsoft to reveal their 'expensive' price to gauge the reaction of the audience/customer. Once they see where the atmosphere is, they can either separate VR and PS5 entirely OR go full steam ahead with just the one option.

Think about it from a revenue stream angle:

• PS5 2020
• PSvr2 2021
• PS5 slim 2022
• PSvr2 Slim/Wireless 2023
• PS5 Pro 2024
• PSVR2PRO 2025
• PS5 Pro Slim 2026
• PS6 2027

If not yearly releases, then at least every 18 months. You keep people within the Sony environment AND keep a steady revenue stream of new consoles and headsets.

This just all seems most complicated to me. Sony showed after the 'complex' PS3 the 'simple' PS4 is the way go. Powerful, cheap and a fantastic array of first-party of games.

VR tech is great and definitely has a place, but the current complete lack of games by Sony AAA studios really limits its appeal for me. If that changes though....

 

[Zero909]

So both consoles will be using 5700 Series ?

 

[Lone Wolf]

The official specs for both systems can’t come fast enough. I’m sorry but some of the “insiders” are clearly full of it. I really hope that the ones that are wrong finally fade away into the ether.

I’m with you. I will not attack or praise anyone for their info, but I’m not assuming anything at this point.

 

[saintjules]

I'm not into childish games, too old for that at 63.

63. I salute your dedication to gaming

 

[Armorian]

So both consoles will be using 5700 Series ?

It's pretty much confirmed that XSX will feature bigger chip than 5700XT

 

[Mass Shift]

That lower power Oberon APU has gone through five steppings. That's a lot of money if you could just do a die shrink of GCN and call it a day. Also that would imply that AMD leaked every APU they have in development except for the actual PS5 APU. How realistic is that?Especially with Microsoft being half a year behind Sony in terms of devkit deployment. Also PS5 is not actually low powered. 9.2 TF RDNA is huge. And you can't have all. If PS5 uses ReRAM and a special SSD much faster than anything on the market and resistance triggers - guess what, they will have to save that money elsewhere. Like on the die size. Which means they have less raw power. That is if they target the same price.

Oberon is so unloved. Lol

I agree with you though, it's certainly powerful and was made for someone's console. It's not just hanging out there waiting for someone to make up their minds whether they want it or not. It's silicon is being tested and proven on actual production lines now.

So it's definitely going in somebody's platform. There's no doubt about that. But I still think 9.2TF is too low of a forecast for it. Especially for next gen Sony console.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Github is owned by Microsoft not Google.

And? That's a silly reason to consider the whole thing a conspiracy theory. These are mega-conglomerates; they have their hands in a LOT of ventures, same goes for Sony. And a venture having ownership held by a given company does not mean that venture works on behalf of it's owning corporate shareholder on something as petty as console spec FUD .

Just keep in mind most people who lend credibility to the Github leak aren't doing it out of spite or even because they think those are PS5's (or XSX's for that matter) final specifications. However, while it's completely ridiculous there are folks who think the Github stuff tells 100% of the story, it's just as ridiculous there are people trying to say it tells literally 0% of the story, as well. It's relevance is pertinent, but it's still just a segment of the whole picture.

TL,DR; people on both sides need to stop taking such polarizing, extreme stances on the issue.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

So both consoles will be using 5700 Series ?

Both consoles will use custom chips.
5700 series (and for that matter Navi) are AMDs graphic cards, that we use for reference to the sake of discussion, something to base our specifications on.
Navi 10 (5700 series) is a max 40CUs chip, the next Navi 2X cards aka big Navi, yet to unveil by AMD, will be the RT cards with more than 40CUs and next gen RDNA.

 

[Reindeer]

And? That's a silly reason to consider the whole thing a conspiracy theory. These are mega-conglomerates; they have their hands in a LOT of ventures, same goes for Sony. And a venture having ownership held by a given company does not mean that venture works on behalf of it's owning corporate shareholder on something as petty as console spec FUD .

Just keep in mind most people who lend credibility to the Github leak aren't doing it out of spite or even because they think those are PS5's (or XSX's for that matter) final specifications. However, while it's completely ridiculous there are folks who think the Github stuff tells 100% of the story, it's just as ridiculous there are people trying to say it tells literally 0% of the story, as well. It's relevance is pertinent, but it's still just a segment of the whole picture.

TL,DR; people on both sides need to stop taking such polarizing, extreme stances on the issue.

Agreed. It's silly seeing some folks label others fanboys because they take GitHub leak into consideration. GitHub leak does have issues with it, but I think it still has validity in discussion since there would be no reason to test an old APU in middle of 2019. Saying that it was tested just to see what limits it could be pushed to also doesn't make sense since testing an old APU with less CUs than the apparent new one would be pointless. It could maybe be old results being posted that late, but testing supposed 2019 release date APU in 2019 makes zero sense. The other explanation is that Sony shortly after the tests went with a new GPU for the APU and made very late changes, which is the most believable of all the possibilities if the new 11-12 tflop PS5 specs are true.

 

[Reindeer]

So both consoles will be using 5700 Series ?

They could use the same architecture as 5700 series with additional CUs and RT and you have a custom chip that's more powerful than 5700 series.

 

[Moridianae]

Very excited for these new systems. When I was growing up, my Dad was a small-town doctor for over 50 years and he didn't much play games(though being a military man, he'd make you look inept at Duck Hunt), but he loved to see the way they advanced over the years and encouraged the hobby, much as I do with my son now.

I remember purchasing my PS3 and he was blown away by Blu-Ray at the time.

His passion was audio equipment and music(instrumental) and he would often buy soundtracks to many of my games once they progressed beyond the bleeps and blips of consoles past.

Man, if he was around to see what these new systems would be able to do coming up.

 

[LED Guy?]

Phil talking to timdog tells me more about Phil than anyone else. im not even surprised. MS fans have always felt like a cult to me, and i have no doubt MS encourages it. Adam Greenberg tweeting back timdog all those years ago made no sense to me. After all, why pick out and tweet a random twitter fanboy? Wouldnt be surprised if Timdog and misterxmedia get invited to xbox fanfest as well. Why pay astroturfers when your fans will do the work for you.

It was crazy to see how so many xbox insiders came out of the woodwork immediately after the ps5 wired article proclaiming how the xbox was more powerful and that the PS5 didnt have hardware RT. they were verified so we were supposed to believe them. but it felt very coordinated and the timing was very suspicious. this was back in april so they couldnt have known about the github leaks either. but im guessing MS execs knew. Penello knew for sure. You promise Timdog the xbox is stronger and he convinces 16,000 followers on twitter just like that.

it's all very icky. i wish sony interacted with their fans a bit more, but the way timdog handles himself on twitter and here is simply not something MS or Phil Spencer should ever dream of associating with. Let alone encourage it like they have by using these fans to do controlled leaks, harass reporters like Andrew Reiner, Jason Schrier and Klee into submission, and flood forums with misinformation while harassing any insider that dares to say otherwise.

Perfect comment, I agree with you a 100%
You can see YouTubers like Colteastwood and Dealer Gaming and how they’ve been making videos about how powerful the Xbox Series X will be over the PS5 EVEN when there are verified reports and reputable people like Colin Moriarty and Andrew Reiner stating the PS5 is more powerful, it’s really embarrassing and disgusting to see how Xbox fanboys lie and misinform people into thinking this way when reality isn’t like that, I just wanna see their reactions when the PS5 really is as powerful as XSX or more because I can guarantee you that this will happen, too much reports and evidence behind it happening.

I remember someone named Klobrille IMMEDIATELY chimed in saying XSX is “clearly more advanced and more powerful than PS5” after that 1st WIRED article by Sony about the PS5, and that Klobrille statements turned out to be fake and it was just what Microsoft is targeting, not what Sony had and what Microsoft will have, and Colteastwood has been making videos for over a year talking about how XSX will be more powerful when in fact, all reports are saying otherwise.

It’ll be sooo funny when the final specifications come out and PS5 may end up having the more powerful parts, oh man, the reactions.

 

[sonomamashine]

We might get a taste of next gen on March 5th AMD announcing Turing killer "Big Navi" (rumor)

 

[LED Guy?]

I truly don't think people understand just how amazing Halo looked at E3. It was running at 60fps, the quality of the textures on the pilot's clothing were incredible. The geometry on the character and in the surrounding environment looked excellent. And we have to keep in mind what type of game Halo is. This game also appears more open this time around. That game was far more impressive than people realize. I think when we get the first gameplay a lot of people are going to be absolutely blown away when they see how the game's art style comes together with what 343 is doing technically with the engine on Xbox Series X.

It’ll be held back by the Xbox One unfortunately, it’ll look great yes, but it won’t look next-gen, that’s all.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Perfect comment, I agree with you a 100%
You can see YouTubers like Colteastwood and Dealer Gaming and how they’ve been making videos about how powerful the Xbox Series X will be over the PS5 EVEN when there are verified reports and reputable people like Colin Moriarty and Andrew Reiner stating the PS5 is more powerful, it’s really embarrassing and disgusting to see how Xbox fanboys lie and misinform people into thinking this way when reality isn’t like that, I just wanna see their reactions when the PS5 really is as powerful as XSX or more because I can guarantee you that this will happen, too much reports and evidence behind it happening.

I remember someone named Klobrille IMMEDIATELY chimed in saying XSX is “clearly more advanced and more powerful than PS5” after that 1st WIRED article by Sony about the PS5, and that Klobrille statements turned out to be fake and it was just what Microsoft is targeting, not what Sony had and what Microsoft will have, and Colteastwood has been making videos for over a year talking about how XSX will be more powerful when in fact, all reports are saying otherwise.

It’ll be sooo funny when the final specifications come out and PS5 may end up having the more powerful parts, oh man, the reactions.

Honestly, it’s going both ways. As soon as the 12TF rumor for Xbox came out, suddenly “insiders” started to question whether it was RDNA even though it was said a million times that it was Navi. Then the rumor of a 9TF PS5 gained some traction From somewhat reputable sources, then suddenly It was 13 TF. Now both consoles are marginally the same, with the Xbox having a slight edge. So sure MS may have some shills but Sony does also. It just depends on which side of the fence you are rooting for. I’m rooting for both. If both console makers make bad ass hardware, my PC will actually be forced to use its muscle.

It’ll be held back by the Xbox One unfortunately, it’ll look great yes, but it won’t look next-gen, that’s all.

Depends on how many teams are working on it. I don’t think Microsoft would risk not having next-gen graphics on their 12TF machine. I mean, look at the anniversary editions of Halo. You can turn the old and new graphics engines on and off and there are very clear noticeable differences. Ray tracing will definitely help with that as well.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Oberon is so unloved. Lol

I agree with you though, it's certainly powerful and was made for someone's console. It's not just hanging out there waiting for someone to make up their minds whether they want it or not. It's silicon is being tested and proven on actual production lines now.

So it's definitely going in somebody's platform. There's no doubt about that. But I still think 9.2TF is too low of a forecast for it. Especially for next gen Sony console.

Yeah, even the tests were still uncertain to what platform they belong to

Agreed. It's silly seeing some folks label others fanboys because they take GitHub leak into consideration. GitHub leak does have issues with it, but I think it still has validity in discussion since there would be no reason to test an old APU in middle of 2019. Saying that it was tested just to see what limits it could be pushed to also doesn't make sense since testing an old APU with less CUs than the apparent new one would be pointless. It could maybe be old results being posted that late, but testing supposed 2019 release date APU in 2019 makes zero sense. The other explanation is that Sony shortly after the tests went with a new GPU for the APU and made very late changes, which is the most believable of all the possibilities if the new 11-12 tflop PS5 specs are true.

You are missing one hipótesis, if the tests are only for back-compat mode (and assuming PS5 will use the same method as the Pro), Oberon only has 36CUs active to 'mimic' the legacy hardware.
I don't have access to all the data, and don't know if someone here has, that would be the only way to confirm it.