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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Lort

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Idk what the hell is your point with the first link. And second link talks about US sales only .

Reread what I wrote, I said PS3 was outselling X360 WORLD WIDE . That's why PS3 was able to catch up to a 10m sales deficiency due to releasing a year later ( year and half in EU, its strongest market)

My point still stands.

Naw so sorry to have discredited your argument about Ps3 being twice as expensive .. and instead showed that xbox 360 was more expensive and absolutely would have won worldwide if they had of been aggressive on price.

Move on ... make your prediction if you have the gonads.
 
Naw so sorry to have discredited your argument about Ps3 being twice as expensive .. and instead showed that xbox 360 was more expensive and absolutely would have won worldwide if they had of been aggressive on price.

Move on ... make your prediction if you have the gonads.
Did you hit your head? He said that the PS3 was more expensive, not twice as expensive. You can't discredit an argument that was never made in the first place:

Will never happen. Xbox One was basically a $199 machine since 2014, sold third of PS4 .

$399/499 Xbox 360 couldn't outsell $600/500 PS3 (overall WW sales not NPD only)

The original Xbox slashed its price to $199 shortly after release and couldn't outsell PS2 despite being twice as powerful (that's more than 100% GPU power not including other advantages (arch and Ram)

Only way for MS to outsell Playstation is simply buying the division (brand) from Sony, and good damn luck with that 🤣
 

TLZ

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I am thinking the guy works for Ubisoft in Pune India.
I had a look at his posts and his specs are all over the place.

Second Son is absolutely awful, I tried playing it again when it came to PS+ but fuck are these controls awful... and the collision detection is completely ass.
that game was a rushed graphics showpiece nothing more.

I really liked the first InFamous and never really played the second one but it seemed alright (and ran way better) but the Sly cooper games were pretty meh and at some points absolutely mediocre... so Sucker Punch made 1 single game I consider actually good and that was more than a decade ago with the newest sequel to that series completely destroying everything that was good about the first game so... nah, I am waiting for some longer unscripted gameplay videos by a third party of Ghost of Tsushima until I decide on that game. so far it looks like nothing special... very run-of-the-mill stealth and a very context sensitive looking fighting system (always a bad sign) aren't really telling me this is gonna be great.
I am long over games being able to blind me with pretty graphics, the game looks gorgeous but everything that has to do with how it plays looks heavily context sensitive (aka shallow) and pretty standard fare for a current gen AAA third person action game
I really enjoyed Infamous SS. Very nice looking and fun game.
 

Bogroll

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So they had the same time on the market?
Still, PS3 was more expensive, and it sold at a faster rate.

Well if its important to point out Ps3 was out a year later its important point out Xbox 360 ceased production around year earlier or is it best to ignore that ?
 

Bogroll

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Yeah,because the first year sales for Xbox360 = the numbers the PS3 was putting between 2016 and 2017 with the PS4 already in its 4th year
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And ? They basically sold the same overall, don't get your knickers in a twist. Twas just pointing it out.
 

dDoc

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I just can't comprehend how a GPU that currently sells from 700-850$ USD is going to perform equal to whatever is in XsX and PS5. It's mindblowingly exciting!

The consoles need a life time of at least 6-7 years. So in 2027 it wont look so impressive I guess.

Also this gen cards have been bumped up in price.

But yeah still impressive to get that level of power on a console in 2020.
 

Sinthor

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Funny how people always remember PS3 released later when it comes to sales war but never that it was still being sold after Xbox 360 was discontinued in April 2016. Ps3 discontinued in May 2017.

So you mean they were both sold for the same amount of time and one sold more as opposed to just starting a year later and still selling more? Edit: I think I'm missing the point here. Sorry about that.
 
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Nothing but its relevant when someone points out PS3 released a year later.
I don't think you understood, it's not the fact that a console has been on the market for longer, but that Xbox360 had a free year without the PS3's competition to compete for early adopters, which gave a gap of millions,that PS3 had to run after,and we can't ignore the fact of a lot of people tend to buy the same consoles as their friends, while the PS3 staying 1 year more on the market between 2016 and 2017 didn't make much difference,how many unities sold in this time?I bet was mediocre numbers, since the PS4 and Xbox One were already well established.
 

Bogroll

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So you mean they were both sold for the same amount of time and one sold more as opposed to just starting a year later and still selling more?
Didn't they sell approx the same or 1 million more either way depending who you believe. And they were produced for around 10 years each.
 
Still unsure, what they´re capable off. They´re damn good at platforming and spiderman-esque gameplay ... but that´s it. Sucker Punch will outdo them this next gen easily. And it just hit me :

- Insomiac Games has only released 1x game on PS4 (not really new IP, nor game)
- Sucker Punch released 2 games this generation, of which 1x is a new IP
- Polyphony Digital ..
- Japan Studio released some games and published/helped others (best output)
- Naughty Dog did not release ANY game on PS4 at all (no new ip or new game)
UnCharted 4 was Naughty Dog Game this gen.
 

Bogroll

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I don't think you understood, it's not the fact that a console has been on the market for longer, but that Xbox360 had a free year without the PS3's competition to compete for early adopters, which gave a gap of millions,that PS3 had to run after,and we can't ignore the fact of a lot of people tend to buy the same consoles as their friends, while the PS3 staying 1 year more on the market between 2016 and 2017 didn't make much difference,how many unities sold in this time?I bet was mediocre numbers, since the PS4 and Xbox One were already well established.
That's fair point but i wouldn't be surprised if they sold quite a few in the last few years. I remember it being £99 for a year or 2 in the UK. It might have been even been before the Ps4 came out.
 

cragarmi

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Yea where I am now they wont say specific numbers but "comparable to a 2080 super" is what I am hearing. I really don't give a fuck what the numbers are both machines are going to be awesome.

I think it's likely that they both have the same target in terms of TFs, I just think MS are more determined to hit it and PS are more content with getting 'close enough' that 99% won't notice. Sony will focus on their first party games, which were 'made from the ground up' for next gen systems. Will be interesting what can be done with a superspeed SSD. I think we will see some exciting innovations from first party. Imagine say the nuke from the first modern warfare, changing the level, but happening in real-time, literally changing the battlefield before your eyes. I'm looking forward to highly dynamic world's.
 

cragarmi

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“The disruptive coronavirus may also be a threat to PS5's sales. Sony has not confirmed that its supply line has been affected, but it's hard to believe that there has been zero fallout.”

They will sell out at launch anyway, the bigger problem will be if there's a big gap between launch shipment and 2nd shipment, hopefully things will have died down by then, pardon the pun.
 

devilNprada

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The division is junk not the phones themselves. Or did you not read that part where in praised their phones?.

I did sorry...

I have a xperia and will be probably my last phone from Sony. By far the worst phone I get. Sony really need to reboot this division.

Sorry you don't like yours... Maybe not for everybody

Enough phones sorry to derail... Just excited to talk to other Xperia users... It doesn't happen often.
 
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Man, these reports of shortages bring back memories.

I remember the PS2 was hot and in short supply. I had saved up over the year and went to pick up my pre-order at KB Toys(theres an old name), got 3 games, my system and memory card, then was told to go out the back of the store, through a door and into the hallway which exited the mall.

Imagine my surprise to find two police officers waiting to escort me to the vehicle because of reports of people being attacked for them.

Hope it doesn't have that kind of shenanigans this go around.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Perrott

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Not new. Uncharted is a PS3 IP, same with Infam. and SpiderMan exists since PS1. Im TALKING about 100% NEW IP and ND didnt deliver this generation, like they did with prev. ones?

PS1 Crash Band.
PS2 Jak&D.
PS3 Uncharted, TLOU
PS4 Uncharted, TLOU2

What´s so hard to understand? They have 2 or 3 teams? and their output was below Japan Studio or Sucker Punch (new entry + new ip). I´m not shitting on´em, just "pointing out".

They better be releasing two new IPs on PS5. Personally done with Uncharted and Uncharted with Zombies ;=)
What are you even saying?? Your logic makes no sense at all.

Insomniac released two AAA open world games, the Ratchet and Clank remake and several VR titles for Oculus Rift, including a Stormlands, which it's a AAA VR game. Naughty Dog released Uncharted 4, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy and The Last Of Us: Part II, plus the TLOU remaster. That's an impressive output for both studios.

On the other hand, Japan Studio's biggest game released on the PS4 was The Last Guardian, which it's clearly not as ambitious as Spider-Man or Uncharted 4/TLOU2. Knack (LMAO), Gravity Rush 2, Knack 2 (LMAO) and Astro Bot are small games made by small teams. Bloodborne, Deráciné, No Heroes Allowed VR, The Tomorrow Children and the Everybody Golf series were mainly developed by other studios. Kouno's game could've redeemed the studio, but it was moved to PS5.

How did you come up with such a terrible take?
 

bitbydeath

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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

Notes
The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.

So this was Rainbow Six?
 
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