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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Well, I hate Microsoft as a whole and would even go the extra mile and buy Big Navi or next 3080 just so I don't buy an Xbox, and play their exclusives on $10 gamepass to minimize their profit, and that's only if they make good enough first party games. But I'me VERY happy that they seem to be on par that will help with a great next gen leap. Would I want Xbox to be discontinued? No, it's a meme machine, can't wait for next gen memes.

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Fuck me talk about a blast from the past for that image! All that’s missing is TVTVTV 🤣
 

Gudji

Member
Sad but true

reminds me of this:

Jim Ryan:
“But you know. There are still more unique elements for PlayStation 5 to come that separate it from previous consoles. The ‘bigger differences’ have yet to be announced.”

https://www.gematsu.com/2020/01/ps5...d-by-sony-interactive-entertainment-president

I think that stuff yet to be announced is cloud related. I bet we'll be seeing a ton of integration on both consoles.
Maybe it has do to with machine learning too.
 
These fanboys are so out of it and they'll take and spin everything you say that can negate their points, even though what I said is clear and concise.

Yeah, your original comment was clearly and concisely written in a way to more or less state PS was always the most powerful system at its time of release. Which several people, myself included, corrected you on. That's when you started shifting your statement around because you never quantified what the original statement even meant, because it was open to interpretation.

You played on that openness knowing what most people would assume out of it (most powerful system of its generation), so you were proven wrong on that implied assumption. You were even proven wrong on the assumption of them being the absolute most powerful at the time of their release! Even when you started rewording it the rewording lost any real meaning because it was vague and easily applicable to a range of things you weren't intending it to be applicable towards. But that's your fault for making a statement that was already inaccurate from the beginning.

Why? Because it was not just a loose statement, but an absolute. But you obviously didn't consider some things before saying it, so on the grounds of you making an absolute statement, its being absolute was debunked. Nothing more than that. Then you kept rewording things to try implying the same thing, but were even more easily disproven. Just accept you made a bad statement that could've been (and was) successfully countered.

And when was disproving inaccurate claims with facts being a "fanboy"? Jeez 🤦‍♂️
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Forget the tweet. Look at the article,, that's what matters. Those guys are the Metro devs.

It’s a lot of nothing. We have heard this from several already.

“We are so excite, please be excite about things coming that we won’t talk about.”

I am eager, but ping me when shit is announced beyond, “please be excited for our farts in the wind, right now”.

More meat, please.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Hopefully more developers jump on dedicated servers next gen.

You have grimy companies like 2K/Rockstar raking in BILLIONS of online revenue, yet still exploit their user base with P2P garbage.

Games like RDR2 suffer for it with animal spawns and the like with more than 15 people in your lobby, or even wonkier bugs and glitches depending on the host’s connection.

This should be mandated in a pay to play online service. Remembers the day of PC gaming when developers made a dedicated server client for gamers and dedicated server rental farms.

Then came the console pay to play online, and EA/Activision stripped dedicated user servers over time to a restrictive nonpiecemeal map/mode selection.

Yup, I remember renting a server in BF4 on PS4 with friends, that was amazing. I hope that goes for games with no microtransactions, but games like Rockstar should provide servers.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Yup, I remember renting a server in BF4 on PS4 with friends, that was amazing. I hope that goes for games with no microtransactions, but games like Rockstar should provide servers.

I miss the days of PC games giving away free server clients so you can download it and put it on an old PC box to have it just crunching network code.

Paid online was the doorstep into what we have today, sadly. And it spread to the PC as far as client restrictions.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Nope. N64 had several advantages over PS1, including a real Z-buffer (in fact it's the only system that gen that understood "real" 3D; both PS1 and Saturn basically had really smart 2D super-DSPs (well, Saturn used a 2nd SH2 for that functionality) to calculate complex math coordinates, but neither one actually "knew" it was outputting 3D coordinates in a 3D space the way the N64 did) and more VRAM as well as a much faster CPU. Even the Saturn has some advantages over PS1 including raw polygonal output, VRAM, better 2D hardware (thanks to VDP2) and higher resolution output.

PS2 was overall weaker than both Gamecube and OG Xbox, only having a genuine advantage in terms of particle fillrate (and against Gamecube, higher-capacity discs). Even the Dreamcast was better than PS2 in areas like deferred rendering, VRAM amount, color saturation and resolution output support, and it released over a year ahead of Sony's system.

PS3's main strength was Cell's flexibility to make up for its weak GPU; had it not been for Cell I doubt even 1st-party PS3 titles would've caught up to 360's mid-gen releases. That's how bad the RSX was, as well as the split memory pool (big reason why PS3 couldn't support cross-game chat like 360 did). The flexibility of the SPEs are what helped PS3 perform on par with 360 visually, but it was mainly the budget Sony pumped into latter-gen 1st party like TLOU that helped those games look better than 360 titles (at least technically). Otherwise besides arguably blu-ray, PS3 had no other advantages over 360 and it took a long time for the SPEs to be utilized effectively even by their 1st parties.

PS4 is the only Sony system that has been clearly better than the competitor at release and during its generation. Even then, the XBO did have a slightly higher CPU clockspeed. Basically the notion of Sony chasing for the "power crown" every gen is a false narrative when you look at their history. So it's more likely to continue with historical trends going forward than go against them.

EDIT: Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens beat me to the punch kinda sorta mostly on this, but I think they were speaking to a generally different point and just bringing up prior consoles to set an example.

Great details, mate. I enjoyed the read and the avatar.
 

EGOMON

Member
If there's fios jump on it my 1gig plan is only 80 with free Disney plus for a year and 200 gift card 😏my psn which usually sucks on readings is showing 800mb dl I'm in heaven.
Yeah am definitely going for FO just need to see the packages and pricing , I'm done with ADSL
 
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Bo_Hazem

Banned
At the start of this generation Japanese titles were also waning in popularity outside of Japan. This has reversed as the generation has gone on and global popularity of Japanese titles has risen, this helps in bringing the bigger titles to Xbox too.

Japanese games were famous since decades. We used to play games fully in Japanese! To the point that I started semi-reading some and understanding them and beating the games. Some hackers later even translated them years after

Captain Tsubasa II on Family Computer (NES)

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I doubt them being official:

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Captain-Tsubasa-Vol.-II-Super-Striker-Japan-En-by-Hayabusakun-v1.0.jpeg


For years we were playing Winning Eleven (the Japanese version of PES), no one complained about them being 100% in Japanese :messenger_tears_of_joy:

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Conclusion: Xbox Division is lazy and late to the party.
 

DeeDogg_

Banned
I wont "double down" on anything nor will I vanish once the real numbers come out even if I am wrong in everything I have said.

I will take my medicine here and who ever feels the need can put me on ignore or do so now.

There are a lot of things I simply can not put out there because I wont burn my friends just to prove who or what I know.

And without a doubt every "insider" will get things wrong along the way.

I think about every single source has flip flopped a couple of times on the existence of Lokchart.

The mysterious port on the back of the prototype XsX was reported to be a debugging port now its expandable storage.

I will get stuff wrong and sorry that bothers you.
Say less *ignores*
 
The likelihood of consoles being affected, imo, has gone up.

Japan has several hundred cases, Iran and South Korea now have some as well, with no clear evidence that it came from China. It just showed up.

Biggest thing to pay attention to is if this virus follows the seasons and digresses in the warmer months. If it doesn't, like flu, could be real bad news.
 

LED Guy?

Banned
Yeah, your original comment was clearly and concisely written in a way to more or less state PS was always the most powerful system at its time of release. Which several people, myself included, corrected you on. That's when you started shifting your statement around because you never quantified what the original statement even meant, because it was open to interpretation.

You played on that openness knowing what most people would assume out of it (most powerful system of its generation), so you were proven wrong on that implied assumption. You were even proven wrong on the assumption of them being the absolute most powerful at the time of their release! Even when you started rewording it the rewording lost any real meaning because it was vague and easily applicable to a range of things you weren't intending it to be applicable towards. But that's your fault for making a statement that was already inaccurate from the beginning.

Why? Because it was not just a loose statement, but an absolute. But you obviously didn't consider some things before saying it, so on the grounds of you making an absolute statement, its being absolute was debunked. Nothing more than that. Then you kept rewording things to try implying the same thing, but were even more easily disproven. Just accept you made a bad statement that could've been (and was) successfully countered.

And when was disproving inaccurate claims with facts being a "fanboy"? Jeez 🤦‍♂️
I honestly do not know what more do you want, I clearly stated "when it released"....... It's here, please read it, this is my 1st comment on it, and where are the "several people who corrected me on it"?

You're clearly lying and making up stuff because you clearly couldn't accept what I said which is Sony is always on the cutting-edge high-end most powerful consoles THE YEAR THEY RELEASE.

Please read my 1st comment again.

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Great details, mate. I enjoyed the read and the avatar.

Hey the avatar's there as the hook and the closer, always 👍

I honestly do not know what more do you want, I clearly stated "when it released"....... It's here, please read it, this is my 1st comment on it, and where are the "several people who corrected me on it"?

You're clearly lying and making up stuff because you clearly couldn't accept what I said which is Sony is always on the cutting-edge high-end most powerful consoles THE YEAR THEY RELEASE.

Please read my 1st comment again.

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And there's your problem. That very statement...is wrong. And then you made other statements that actually make this one look worst xD, by implying it was a PS or Sony-exclusive thing, in those follow-up statements.

Again, you use a term like "most powerful", that's an absolute statement. So it's a claim where in every category (or at least the vast majority of the big ones) you expect the system to hold true. But that wasn't the case. Saturn had more VRAM and raw polygon output than PS1 plus higher resolution support and better 2D capabilities. Came out same time as PS1. Dreamcast had more VRAM, higher resolution support and certain GPU pipeline features better than PS2, and came out earlier (I can see how someone could technically still make that claim for PS2 but it'd be ignoring market options released prior to it).

What does "overall" mean? In your statement? Because PS3 did not have better GPU functionality than the 360; it "simulated" GPU functionality on the CPU's SPEs, as a software solution basically. But the advantages PS3 had over 360 were less pronounced overall than, say, the N64 had over the PS1 and Saturn, or what Xbox and Gamecube had over PS2, or even what PS2 had over Dreamcast. They were minor at most and came down to the Cell and heavy 1st party optimization, and didn't even materialize itself in commercial products until quite late into that generation.

PS4 is the one concrete case of Sony releasing a system that was outright more powerful in virtually all the main categories than its direct competitor's and being the most powerful system at its time of release. One out of four. So just looking at that average anyone could guess what's more probable for PS5, assuming it and its competitor are releasing around the same time. Doesn't mean it's guaranteed but, especially in light of certain information and a pattern of that information, it's very probable. So for me personally it's more a question of 'by how much' at this point, and I've been going with best-case scenarios to make that 'how much' as small as possible.
 
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demigod

Member
I honestly do not know what more do you want, I clearly stated "when it released"....... It's here, please read it, this is my 1st comment on it, and where are the "several people who corrected me on it"?

You're clearly lying and making up stuff because you clearly couldn't accept what I said which is Sony is always on the cutting-edge high-end most powerful consoles THE YEAR THEY RELEASE.

Please read my 1st comment again.

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Don’t feed the troll.
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
Yep, you're correct.

If you do thy get fat and plump and reproduce 😂😂😂thy need minions to spread the lies and propoganda. They worship the king troll Mistermediax x himself and their five star generals are Colt Eastwood and Timdog. If you ever go to their lair you'll see a big Pic of them all salivating at the mouth with bitten and destroyed Sony consoles 😂😂😂😂
 
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People seem to be hardliners here despite pretending to be agnostic. At what point will you admit bias or will everyone ride it out forever? I mean, Sony’s first party is small fries just like Microsoft’s (Just Sony tend to do a better job in variety).

What would make you change consoles?

I like Xbox because of the superior support for 4K and power that came later in the current generation. I HAVE owned every generation of PS and Xbox. If Sony had the better hardware to support next gen displays than Xbox, I’d go PS5 in a heartbeat. This means focusing heavily on HDMI 2.1 capabilities instead of selling me a brand. If PS5 or XSX were HDMI 2.0 I wouldn’t even consider them as a serious upgrade.

I don’t really care about services, but I know that’s important this generation to many. (When my gamepass expires in May I’ll go back to buying physical games as usual).
It’s a little sad though if the Xbox is better in both services AND technology and both get essentially the same 3rd party releases as expected.

The only selling point I expect from Sony for PS5 right now is “Hey we’ve got shittier technology, but hey, it’s “good enough and both platforms will be great” & look at ‘dis brand recognition!”.

But, at least they will have PSVR2 and maybe they’ll moneyhat enough 3rd party exclusives again to keep all the non first world countries eating it up yet again. If there’s one thing that’s for sure, poverty goes hand in hand with Soccer and Playstation.

I’d say that Playstation had a more promising future if they’d be less irrational and move their headquarters back to Japan.
The Playstation headquarters in California will shape and mold next gen PS for the Resetera crowd far more than for Gaffers and real gamers.

I would hope that the BEST CONSOLE wins, but we all know that Soccer and PS5 are going to always be #1 and thinking otherwise is on par with expecting Peace in the Middle East... Unless Sony Pulls a Don Matrick (They won’t).

In what universe is Sony first party “small fries”?
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
In what universe is Sony first party “small fries”?

In the same universe where thy don't either have a goty contender, several or a goty winner almost every year with high metas. Same world where a new ip like Horizon doesn't sell 10 million plus.

I think you get there via a worm hole only Mistermedia knows about and it takes you to this place called greendew galaxy. Everything is the opposite there.
 
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LED Guy?

Banned
Hey the avatar's there as the hook and the closer, always 👍



And there's your problem. That very statement...is wrong. And then you made other statements that actually make this one look worst xD, by implying it was a PS or Sony-exclusive thing, in those follow-up statements.

Again, you use a term like "most powerful", that's an absolute statement. So it's a claim where in every category (or at least the vast majority of the big ones) you expect the system to hold true. But that wasn't the case. Saturn had more VRAM and raw polygon output than PS1 plus higher resolution support and better 2D capabilities. Came out same time as PS1. Dreamcast had more VRAM, higher resolution support and certain GPU pipeline features better than PS2, and came out earlier (I can see how someone could technically still make that claim for PS2 but it'd be ignoring market options released prior to it).

What does "overall" mean? In your statement? Because PS3 did not have better GPU functionality than the 360; it "simulated" GPU functionality on the CPU's SPEs, as a software solution basically. But the advantages PS3 had over 360 were less pronounced overall than, say, the N64 had over the PS1 and Saturn, or what Xbox and Gamecube had over PS2, or even what PS2 had over Dreamcast. They were minor at most and came down to the Cell and heavy 1st party optimization, and didn't even materialize itself in commercial products until quite late into that generation.

PS4 is the one concrete case of Sony releasing a system that was outright more powerful in virtually all the main categories than its direct competitor's and being the most powerful system at its time of release. One out of four. So just looking at that average anyone could guess what's more probable for PS5, assuming it and its competitor are releasing around the same time. Doesn't mean it's guaranteed but, especially in light of certain information and a pattern of that information, it's very probable. So for me personally it's more a question of 'by how much' at this point, and I've been going with best-case scenarios to make that 'how much' as small as possible.
Do you work for Colteastwood? Because you look like maybe you're a Microsoft tool 😂😂😂
 

Kobi

Member
Well, I hate Microsoft as a whole and would even go the extra mile and buy Big Navi or next 3080 just so I don't buy an Xbox, and play their exclusives on $10 gamepass to minimize their profit, and that's only if they make good enough first party games. But I'me VERY happy that they seem to be on par that will help with a great next gen leap. Would I want Xbox to be discontinued? No, it's a meme machine, can't wait for next gen memes.

Really, with this hate, you SHOULD buy an Xbox. As since MS and Sony will most likely be taking a loss on each console. By just playing Xbox games on the pc (fuelled by the unholy windows), you're really falling into The Xbox trap, right where they want you. Maximizing their profits.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Really, with this hate, you SHOULD buy an Xbox. As since MS and Sony will most likely be taking a loss on each console. By just playing Xbox games on the pc (fuelled by the unholy windows), you're really falling into The Xbox trap, right where they want you. Maximizing their profits.

Already paid $257 for Windows 10 Pro. My PC has Radeon VII which is a beast for video editing, but has no RT. So might jump to Big Navi or 3080 and pay probably twice as much compared to just buying their console. Even with a loss they will count me as one of their few miserable millions who bought this inferior box :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_winking_tongue:
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
The likelihood of consoles being affected, imo, has gone up.

Japan has several hundred cases, Iran and South Korea now have some as well, with no clear evidence that it came from China. It just showed up.

Biggest thing to pay attention to is if this virus follows the seasons and digresses in the warmer months. If it doesn't, like flu, could be real bad news.

I had H1N1 at least twice without treatment, it helluva flu that sticks for like 4 weeks or so and you feel like dying on the first week :messenger_anxious: . My mother had it and my older brother, all are fine and in good health. Now that virus is resident and can expect having it from time to time but seems to be much weaker than the beginning, but it's not severe as some might picture it.

Doesn't mean COVID-19 is weak, but I think it's nearly the same. Just eat more food and honey as I've tried antibiotics before and didn't even have 1% effectiveness.
 

pasterpl

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pasterpl

Member
I had H1N1 at least twice without treatment, it helluva flu that sticks for like 4 weeks or so and you feel like dying on the first week :messenger_anxious: . My mother had it and my older brother, all are fine and in good health. Now that virus is resident and can expect having it from time to time but seems to be much weaker than the beginning, but it's not severe as some might picture it.

Doesn't mean COVID-19 is weak, but I think it's nearly the same. Just eat more food and honey as I've tried antibiotics before and didn't even have 1% effectiveness.

because antibiotics are not effective against viruses

edit; good to hear that you have managed to go through h1n1 unscathed
 
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Bo_Hazem

Banned
And there's your problem. That very statement...is wrong. And then you made other statements that actually make this one look worst xD, by implying it was a PS or Sony-exclusive thing, in those follow-up statements.

Again, you use a term like "most powerful", that's an absolute statement. So it's a claim where in every category (or at least the vast majority of the big ones) you expect the system to hold true. But that wasn't the case. Saturn had more VRAM and raw polygon output than PS1 plus higher resolution support and better 2D capabilities. Came out same time as PS1. Dreamcast had more VRAM, higher resolution support and certain GPU pipeline features better than PS2, and came out earlier (I can see how someone could technically still make that claim for PS2 but it'd be ignoring market options released prior to it).

What does "overall" mean? In your statement? Because PS3 did not have better GPU functionality than the 360; it "simulated" GPU functionality on the CPU's SPEs, as a software solution basically. But the advantages PS3 had over 360 were less pronounced overall than, say, the N64 had over the PS1 and Saturn, or what Xbox and Gamecube had over PS2, or even what PS2 had over Dreamcast. They were minor at most and came down to the Cell and heavy 1st party optimization, and didn't even materialize itself in commercial products until quite late into that generation.

PS4 is the one concrete case of Sony releasing a system that was outright more powerful in virtually all the main categories than its direct competitor's and being the most powerful system at its time of release. One out of four. So just looking at that average anyone could guess what's more probable for PS5, assuming it and its competitor are releasing around the same time. Doesn't mean it's guaranteed but, especially in light of certain information and a pattern of that information, it's very probable. So for me personally it's more a question of 'by how much' at this point, and I've been going with best-case scenarios to make that 'how much' as small as possible.

I remember N64 and Saturn making better graphics, and wanting them so badly even N64 with its wacky controller. But Sony's PS1 picked up quickly and spread like fire. Sony brand in general was very strong it's like having Apple console along with PS5, you should expect Sony to be more worried about it than Xbox.
 

Ampere: revamped Tensor Cores, >800mm² die. Holy shit.
 
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GermanZepp

Member
Japanese games were famous since decades. We used to play games fully in Japanese! To the point that I started semi-reading some and understanding them and beating the games. Some hackers later even translated them years after

Captain Tsubasa II on Family Computer (NES)

2g1Du4zQK2Akvd2oIokE.png


I doubt them being official:

maxresdefault.jpg


Captain-Tsubasa-Vol.-II-Super-Striker-Japan-En-by-Hayabusakun-v1.0.jpeg


For years we were playing Winning Eleven (the Japanese version of PES), no one complained about them being 100% in Japanese :messenger_tears_of_joy:

61CDRJ31E6L.jpg


Conclusion: Xbox Division is lazy and late to the party.

100% the same experience. Still have the cartridge that my old friend gave to me when i move far away from home.

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