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[sinnergy]

Bravo Microsoft. This puts me at ease. Just few things remaining:

1) How much AVAILABLE RAM for games. It must be 16 GB minimum available (not total)
2) How much bandwidth of GDDR6 RAM? Rumors indicate close to 600 GB/sec, hoping ideally be close to 800 GB/sec
3) Wifi 6? I am thinking yes.

They’ll keep ram for launch, surprise launch with 20 GB

 

[Leonidas]

Damn, my guesses were way off (at least for Series X). Hopefully PS5 comes in at 9 Tflops so I can at least be correct in one instance as consolation.

 

[Gudji]

TimDog doesn't know shit, he has no sources other than his ass. All he did was the math, like Phil said.

Tim Dog is on Xbox Era discord, that's where is info comes from. lol

 

[01011001]

The only thing Microsoft are really missing out of the gate here is VR support but maybe it will be a surprise reveal at e3? Or maybe a year or two down the road? It'll come eventually... maybe not until wireless has become a standard though.

I still think they should just work with Oculus and make both the Rift S and the Oculus Quest compatible.

the Quest would literally just need to plug into the fron USB3.0 port and work if made compatible.
for the Rift S they could release a small box like the PSVR uses and that should work too.

the inside out tracking also makes for a very simple setup and ease of use

 

[M-V2]

I see alot of people bashing Sony just because they didn't reveal anything regarding the PS5 (which they did last year) but it seems alot of people forgetting that Sony delivered this gen alot of great games & yet they have several coming out this year.

People need to chill just because MS revealed the number of TF doesn't mean Sony ain't aware. I'm sure they will announce or reveal something before GDC.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I like how Microsoft is pushing Sony to show their hands. Microsoft follows the news and forums, and can see that people are really excited for PS5 info. Reveal date, tech specs, etc etc. Last few weeks people were getting anxious and a bit pissed that there still wasn't any info available. By releasing a blogpost with a bit of information this really pushes Sony to give us something. The longer they wait, the worse it's going to get UNLESS Sony knows that they will blow the XSX out of the water.

Well, last year MS was just following suit till TGA, don't forget Sony came front hand with those two Wired articles.

 

[demigod]

So am I redeemed. And DF. Also my source is redeemed about the PS5 at 9TF. Just around the 1080 mark.

No, you were in the 1080 camp for both next gen consoles. You only changed it to up to 1080 TI when you heard xbox was 12 TF. You're not redeemed for shit, keep trying tho. If anything, this only proves that the insiders that said both consoles are close to 2080 power is more correct.

 

[Mr Moose]

Lol. He talks with Phil and others on team Xbox all the time. I hang out with him at E3 and FanFest every year. Lot of you don't give Tim credit on what he knows. Is he a fanboy? Yes. Of course. Top of the line. Does he also get inside info from people in the know? Bet your ever hating ass he does!

People in the know? You mean Phil, when he said do the math? I guess we all have insider info.

 

[RookX22]

If these things are going to be as good as everyone hopes I might just keep my 2700 and vega 56 and get both so I can get best out of all exclusives. I just hope new gen MMOs will support keyboard and mouse on both.

 

[Spreewaldgurke]

Does this mean it’s more than 12TF compared to the old structure GPUs. How much would it be compared?

 

[OsirisBlack]

Hmm supports 120fps, game locked at 90... you don’t say. Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Congrats Microsoft. Well played.

 

[Reindeer]

Damn, all those naysayers on this thread who said there was no way Xbox was using RDNA2 are taking a big fat L. R600 was right all along .

 

[ArabianPrynce]

Wish they announced sooner cause I got tired of waiting. Got a job that can afford me a good gaming pc so there is need for the Xbox lol. Gonna get the ps5 regardless if it’s lower tf because I am gonna just buy it for the exclusives.

That being said next gen is gonna be fucking killer. Having this monstrous baseline specs is gonna be great for pc gaming. Good timing

 

[Fun Fanboy]

So am I redeemed. And DF. Also my source is redeemed about the PS5 at 9TF. Just around the 1080 mark.

It's gonna be wild when that 9 to 10 is shown off. I remember reading Penello's first thoughts were it would be 8.5 to 10 or so.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hmm supports 120fps, game locked at 90... you don’t say. Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Congrats Microsoft. Well played.

Hope that locked 90 gets more optimized and becomes 120 at launch

 

[VFXVeteran]

In terms of compute performance sure. But a 9TF Navi chip is gonna be quite a lot faster than a 1080 in actual graphics performance.

They have already been bench tested on DF. I believe both consoles will still struggle with 4k games. Look for 30FPS and with RTX on, you are looking at 1080p games.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

The only thing Microsoft are really missing out of the gate here is VR support but maybe it will be a surprise reveal at e3? Or maybe a year or two down the road? It'll come eventually... maybe not until wireless has become a standard though.

How is missing a niche market "really missing out".

I think we will see some kind of compatibility, maybe with Steam and Valve as they are bringing their games to Steam, but I don't think its a huge focus.

 

[Reindeer]

They have already been bench tested on DF. I believe both consoles will still struggle with 4k games. Look for 30FPS and with RTX on, you are looking at 1080p games.

I think many games will run natively 4K, they even do on Xbox One lol. The ones that can't will probably use AI upscaling.

 

[HawarMiran]

They have already been bench tested on DF. I believe both consoles will still struggle with 4k games. Look for 30FPS and with RTX on, you are looking at 1080p games.

Yaaaawn

 

[DrDamn]

So am I redeemed. And DF. Also my source is redeemed about the PS5 at 9TF. Just around the 1080 mark.

You said 1080 is the gist of what people should expect for both did you not?

 

[Sussoloc]

The only thing Microsoft are really missing out of the gate here is VR support but maybe it will be a surprise reveal at e3? Or maybe a year or two down the road? It'll come eventually... maybe not until wireless has become a standard though.

Even the best selling VR not even reached 5% of the use base. It's a niche.

 

[ResilientBanana]

You're mostly right. Graphically it'll scale just fine. However, if a game is designed with the asset streaming capabilities of a very fast SSD in mind, that just won't work on games with an HDD.
Which means, theoretically, you can have experiences on the newer consoles that just are not possible on last gen systems.

More than graphics, that is Ultimately the big point of differentiation. Graphics are easily scaled up or down to match the GPUs capabilities.

I'm sure Microsoft will have the proper XDK to take advantage of asset streaming among other tools to ensure that the games properly take advantage of the XSX vs XOX/S. They're tools are typically top notch.

 

[gaming_noob]

So am I redeemed. And DF. Also my source is redeemed about the PS5 at 9TF. Just around the 1080 mark.

My new favourite insider

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Pushing? Like how Sony released the wired article and shortly after Microsoft came with similar type info Again none of this affects Sony and will do things on their terms, most ppl tht are going to buy psv already know lol We live in a nerd bubble and we are the only ones thirsty to get this info. The masses who will buy the next console just know it is coming and are happy with tht info.

Yes indeed, exactly like that. Microsoft is just doing something similar now. And if you think this doesn't effect Sony then you're just in denial. We the "nerd bubble" decide which console wins. It is us that buys it at day 1 and give the first indication of which console is the best one to buy, together with the gaming media who are also part of our "nerd bubble".

 

[VFXVeteran]

You said 1080 is the gist of what people should expect for both did you not?

No. I don't have any contacts for MS. My sources came from Sony devs.

 

[Fenris Wolf]

My oof size went to EXTRA right now

 

[ABrokenToy]

In one of the most recent DF videos, they made it perfectly clear that sub-4k done right could actually look better than 4K native. I'd take 1800p CB with stellar AA and full blown effects than dumb-downed native 4k.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Damn, my guesses were way off (at least for Series X). Hopefully PS5 comes in at 9 Tflops so I can at least be correct in one instance as consolation.

Which is funny, since you were the one who posted the reddit leak that spilled the beans on the 12TF/4TF Anaconda/Lockhart over a year ago.

The original 12TF/4TF numbers originated January 15th, 2019 on Reddit. I'm digging to see if there was anything before that, even in regards to the 2-tier release setup.

Reddit specs(user self-deleted, so just screens from jeuxvideo link):

 

[VFXVeteran]

No, you were in the 1080 camp for both next gen consoles. You only changed it to up to 1080 TI when you heard xbox was 12 TF. You're not redeemed for shit, keep trying tho. If anything, this only proves that the insiders that said both consoles are close to 2080 power is more correct.

You can go back and search for my comments. I *never* gave any rumors for the Xbox and stated as such.

 

[Pug]

Both Sony and MS being supplied from the same vendor for the next gen consoles. Both targeting similar prices point = machines which will be nigh on identical. There isn't going to be a big differential on performance because there can't.

 

[Paulxo87]

Both Sony and MS being supplied from the same vendor for the next gen consoles. Both targeting similar prices point = machines which will be nigh on identical. There isn't going to be a big differential on performance because there can't.

I have a feeling it's the exact GPU for both.. just minor clock differences. This aligns with what everyone was saying about ~identical performance.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Both Sony and MS being supplied from the same vendor for the next gen consoles. Both targeting similar prices point = machines which will be nigh on identical. There isn't going to be a big differential on performance because there can't.

Why does it just change for this gen? Start of last gen Xbox less powerful and 100 more.

You never know what's going to happen!

 

[MarkMe2525]

Most white men find black women ugly, I can dig up plenty of statistics and articles that point this out but I digress, that is your opinion about her looks not a blanket fact.

This is not the place for that

 

[Gudji]

Why does it just change for this gen? Start of last gen Xbox less powerful and 100 more.

You never know what's going to happen!

Because of kinect.

They could have a console with the same performance as PS4 if they didn't go for the "media" bullshit.

 

[Raploz]

No. I don't have any contacts for MS. My sources came from Sony devs.

PS5 9TF confirmed.

 

[Dane]

Hmm supports 120fps, game locked at 90... you don’t say. Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Congrats Microsoft. Well played.

The truth is... the game was rigged from the start.

 

[Kobi]

They have already been bench tested on DF. I believe both consoles will still struggle with 4k games. Look for 30FPS and with RTX on, you are looking at 1080p games.

OsirisBlack has already mentioned 4k90 locked from 3rd party developer.

 

[OsirisBlack]

So am I redeemed. And DF. Also my source is redeemed about the PS5 at 9TF. Just around the 1080 mark.

No. I’ll die on this hill, 11.6 (they will say 12, does this sound familiar?) and 12..4 this was what I was told months ago. From what I have seen, not heard. their is no gap in power and if it is it’s negligible. Be happy both consoles are powerful. BOTH are comparable to a 2080 super.

 

[01011001]

Both Sony and MS being supplied from the same vendor for the next gen consoles. Both targeting similar prices point = machines which will be nigh on identical. There isn't going to be a big differential on performance because there can't.

are you aware that the APU of the Xbox One was about $10 more expensive than the APU of the PS4?

price points don't really tell you anything about GPU performance and GPU performance is the only thing we have any real data on at the moment

 

[BattleScar]

They have already been bench tested on DF. I believe both consoles will still struggle with 4k games. Look for 30FPS and with RTX on, you are looking at 1080p games.

Doesn't that depend entirely on the specific RT solution? If they have, for example, twice as many "RT cores" as the equivalent Nvidia GPU , then the RT performance will be twice as great. Even if it's not quite as fast at rasterising.
If they're using AMD's patented RT solution, then you get a "RT core per TMU" of which there are 4 per compute unit. Turing, by comparison has only 1 RT core per SM (an SM and CU contain the same number of shaders, so I'll treat them as functionally equivalent).
So 56 compute units on the SX would have 224 RT cores. Which is 3 times as many as are on a Titan RTX. A 36 CU PS5 would have 144 RT cores, which is exactly twice as many as a Titan RTX.

If we're talking purely 4K gaming with traditional rasterisation....well the SX will be around a 2080, and the PS5 around a 2070(S). RT performance....we cannot be certain, cause we don't know what the hardware is capable of because AMD haven't detailed it yet.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

No. I’ll die on this hill, 11.6 (they will say 12, does this sound familiar?) and 12..4 this was what I was told months ago. From what I have seen, not heard. their is no gap in power and if it is it’s negligible. Be happy both consoles are powerful. BOTH are comparable to a 2080 super. BOTH.

Can you give us an indication on the "other shoe" that has to drop? Are we talking about a new game exclusively for XSX, a new studio acquisition or was it also about hardware? And if you can't how long do we have to wait for it?

 

[longdi]

PS5 9TF confirmed.

Sony has been eeriely silent for the longest time.
Game over if 9Tflops.
$499 Xbsx 12Tflops vs $399 9Tflops PS5.

 

[Raploz]

Doesn't that depend entirely on the specific RT solution? If they have, for example, twice as many "RT cores" as the equivalent Nvidia GPU , then the RT performance will be twice as great. Even if it's not quite as fast at rasterising.
If they're using AMD's patented RT solution, then you get a "RT core per TMU" of which there are 4 per compute unit. Turing, by comparison has only 1 RT core per SM (an SM and CU contain the same number of shaders, so I'll treat them as functionally equivalent).
So 56 compute units on the SX would have 224 RT cores. Which is 3 times as many as are on a Titan RTX. A 36 CU PS5 would have 144 RT cores, which is exactly twice as many as a Titan RTX.

If we're talking purely 4K gaming with traditional rasterisation....well the SX will be around a 2080, and the PS5 around a 2070(S). RT performance....we cannot be certain, cause we don't know what the hardware is capable of because AMD haven't detailed it yet.

The performance of each individual core is probably different between AMD and Nvidia.

 

[Neo Blaster]

No. I’ll die on this hill, 11.6 (they will say 12, does this sound familiar?) and 12..4 this was what I was told months ago. From what I have seen, not heard. their is no gap in power and if it is it’s negligible. Be happy both consoles are powerful. BOTH are comparable to a 2080 super. BOTH.

Do you think Sony marketing will come with 12 TF too or try to insert that differential?

 

[DrDamn]

No. I don't have any contacts for MS. My sources came from Sony devs.

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT

I'd be shocked if MS didn't do another May reveal, they love to tie everything into a nice E3 bow every year and have a steady flow of info from like April to December every year. February reveal is definitely a Sony move.

www.resetera.com

GPU = 1080 performance
...
That's pretty much the gist of what everyone should expect.

No Sony/MS distinction there.

Next Gen Consoles (60fps target) VS PC's (100+fps target)

Right now to have many games running on the same platform with different configurations (Pro / X) and we even have Switch games that support 2 different graphics configurations by default. Maybe it's not too far fetched to expect performance/quality mode options on the PS5.

www.resetera.com

2080Ti will be 2x as powerful as the next-gen GPUs.. easily.

No Sony/MS distinction there.

 

[VFXVeteran]

OsirisBlack has already mentioned 4k90 locked from 3rd party developer.

That means nothing if you don't know what the game is doing graphically. Just because one game can do 4k/90 doesn't mean ALL games are going to run 4k/90. Again, look at the 2080Ti performance (which is significantly more powerful than the consoles GPU power) as a measuring tool and what games it struggles to maintain 4k/60FPS and deduce from there.

Shadow of the TR
Modern Warfare
Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts
Jedi Fallen
Metro
Control
Detroit

etc,..

All of those games can NOT maintain 4k/60FPS at Max settings on a 2080Ti. They damn sure won't run 4k/60 on the next-gen consoles.

 

[44alltheway]

Hmm supports 120fps, game locked at 90... you don’t say. Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Congrats Microsoft. Well played.

You expect that to happen soon (let’s say by the end of March). Just speculation of course

 

[SlimySnake]

Damn, all those naysayers on this thread who said there was no way Xbox was using RDNA2 are taking a big fat L. R600 was right all along .

all along? r600 was team 8 tflops and spent almost a year mocking double digit predictions.

absolutely hilarious how shameful some users have acted after being proven wrong. we have vfx veteran taking a victory lap after claiming next gen consoles would offer 1080 performance for almost a year. and now we are redeeming users who were a 100% wrong with their tflops predictions just because they said xbox was using rdna 2 which was pretty much guaranteed when hardware rt and vrs were confirmed.

no shame. no humility. just revisionist history.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

are you aware that the APU of the Xbox One was about $10 more expensive than the APU of the PS4?

price points don't really tell you anything about GPU performance and GPU performance is the only thing we have any real data on at the moment

Because the XB1 APU had esRAM which took up die space. The PS4 APU did not use esRAM. And considering that the XB1X adopted the same unified RAM concept as the PS4/Pro, there are little reasons to doubt the die space will be used in the same, if not very similar, way on both systems.

 

[benzy]

So am I redeemed. And DF. Also my source is redeemed about the PS5 at 9TF. Just around the 1080 mark.

Mind quoting yourself where you said XSX was 12tf or much better than gtx1080?