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VFXVeteran
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT
I'd be shocked if MS didn't do another May reveal, they love to tie everything into a nice E3 bow every year and have a steady flow of info from like April to December every year. February reveal is definitely a Sony move.www.resetera.com
No Sony/MS distinction there.
Next Gen Consoles (60fps target) VS PC's (100+fps target)
Right now to have many games running on the same platform with different configurations (Pro / X) and we even have Switch games that support 2 different graphics configurations by default. Maybe it's not too far fetched to expect performance/quality mode options on the PS5.
No Sony/MS distinction there.
Keep looking. Someone asked me about the XSX and I told them I didn't know.
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demigod
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Mind quoting yourself where you said XSX was 12tf or much better than gtx1080?
I didn't. I agreed with the quotes from T Tim
PS5. And I believed what DF stated in their article.
My source at Sony only told me that the Xbox *is* more powerful than the PS5. When I was told that, the 12TF vs. 9TF was assumed by deduction.
HawarMiran
Banned
Stfu alreadyyyy man wtf is wrong with you. Everytime the same stupid discussion with you. I don't get triggered easily but holy fuck are you annoying
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
absolutely shameful behavior.
no, you have to see how a forum poster conducts himself. there is a big distinction between posters like heisenberg, osiris and vfxveteran.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
That's STILL talking about the PS5!!
saintjules
Member
Pretty crazy indeed. I think that price has to be closer to $600, which gives the excuse for the Lockheart to appear. Either way, day freakin 0 as you said. Less than 9 months to go...
Reindeer
Member
Console games don't run at max settings and are way more optimised than what you get on PC, someone with experience like you should know this.
DrDamn
Member
But in those two quotes you did know - or implied you knew. Everyone and 2080Ti twice as powerful as both. Is a 2080Ti twice as powerful as 12TF RDNA2? Maybe you didn't know but you still made those statements.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
What the hell are you annoyed by?
Raploz
Member
demigod
Member
HeisenbergFX4
did your contact at SIE that said 9.5 TF gave a number for the XSX?
VFXVeteran
Banned
I know they don't run at max settings. And they are NOT way more optimised. That's your illogical assumption. There wasn't a single game that ran better than expected last gen on the PS4/X1X. Here we go again with the "secret sauce" myth...
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And now he's shooting fireworks on twitter
BattleScar
Member
You cannot compensate for orders of magnitude more bandwidth with software tools.
HDD => 80-160MB/s
SATA 3 SSD => 300MB/s
NVMe SSD => 2000MB/s
With PCIe 4.0 and whatever hot sauce Sony are using, both the XSX and PS5 might have even more bandwidth than a typical NVMe SSD.
Software cannot compensate for this. No matter how good it is.
Yeah, I know. Perhaps I could have been clearer, but my point is, we cannot be certain how the consoles will perform with ray tracing compared to Turing, cause we don't know exactly how AMD's solution works.
The figures I gave are illustrative, based on what I know from AMD's patents.
OsirisBlack
Banned
I have been avoiding this for a long time as a PC gamer first and foremost myself. I don’t bring that shit up in here because let’s be honest not everyone is running a 2080ti. Most PC games aren’t running your or my setup. (SLI 2080ti custom everything if we’re measuring dicks) most people I know aren’t even running a 1080ti. Even my setupdoesn’t give the performance you’d expect. Especially on games with shit optimization I only get a 30/40% gain on shadows of the tomb raider. The point is be fucking happy, the bar was raised a lot. The new consoles out of the box can run star citizen and they won’t run you almost 6k.
deccangamer
Banned
smell a conspiracy here : Microsoft might have planted leaks to say Sony had a 12tf machine which it does not have. Why would Sony risk bringing out a machine at 500$, when it is already selling a ton of games and has a long list of exclusives at a lower price point ?
How is he redeemed? He was reporting stuff other leaks had already mentioned or theorizing on what had been said by MS and AMD. He didnt have any sources and failed to provide any to the mods. I'm half dead at work so i cant tell if this is sarcasmTimDog redeemed (and lurking)
01011001
Banned
if you reduce settings they can run at 4k60 easily.
no sane person runs PC games at max settings if they don't hit the desired target framerate. even in modern games reducing some settings that don't really drastically impact the image quality is the way to go.
in many games simply reducing shadow detail from ultra to high can result in a 10+ fps gain over the ultra settings.
AA is the next thing that you can turn down as resolutions rise. at 4k your AA solution doesn't need to be as good as at a 1080p image. so running the highest AA settings is also absolutely useless and a waste of GPU power at 4k
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demigod
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I can't remember, but I don't think timdog ever said it was rdna 2.0, anyone?
DrDamn
Member
What do we know RDNA2 means aside from RT? If MS went AMD RT tech and Sony went a different route then that could be true. Theoretically MS including AMD RT would also be "leveraging ... RDNA2 architecture" even if they included nothing else from RDNA2.
In case that TimDog PS4 and Github Leak be 100% correct, will he be unbanned?
Dunno, but for me RDNA 2 is new, maybe Blue Nugroho on twitter said once.
twitter.com
I know he would get banned a day later over flooding
Dunno, but for me RDNA 2 is new, maybe Blue Nugroho on twitter said once.
blue nugroho (@blueisviolet) | Twitter
The latest Tweets from blue nugroho (@blueisviolet). blue is good. Indonesia
twitter.com
Reindeer
Member
It's been proven that games on consoles run much better than they do on similarly specd hardware on PC, DF done more than one video discussing and proving this. And you constantly bring up argument that 2080TI can't run all games 4K60 at max settings when we know console setting are optimised.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Yea, I'm happy either way tbh.
You are right though. It's very difficult to talk with technical details because for whatever reason people need to justify their purchases. I guess we can just look forward to the DF comparison videos as those will be the true measuring stick with the multiplatform games.
Reindeer
Member
It's said to be around 20% more efficient than RDNA1.
DrDamn
Member
It wasn't what he believed that got him banned, more how he put it across. Lots of people here express an opinion on GitHub without being banned.
Yeah good point. A 2080ti could probably run at higher fps once you start knocking down the settings. Just because it's 4k90, doesn't mean it'll be at the same graphic settings as a 2080ti.
Still, good time for gamers!
FranXico
Member
His issue wasn't the info, it was his behavior.In case that TimDog PS4 and Github Leak be 100% correct, will he be unbanned?
I know he would get banned a day later over flooding
Dunno, but for me RDNA 2 is new, maybe Blue Nugroho on twitter said once.
blue nugroho (@blueisviolet) | Twitter
The latest Tweets from blue nugroho (@blueisviolet). blue is good. Indonesia
Like clockwork!
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The 12TF Anaconda, 4TF Lockhart leak occurred January 2019. DF posted their Gonzalo vid April 2019, and at that point it was still 1.8GHz. Oberon showed up August 2019 with 2GHz core clock.
Original Gonzalo leak from what I can find was from TUM_APISAK January 17th, 2019...2 days after the Reddit leak for Anaconda, Lockhart, and PS5. This was at 1GHz core, then the 1.8GHz core ES comes in April 2019, and as mentioned Oberon at 2GHz core in August 2019.
What did the Github leak mention about Sony total RAM?
Original Gonzalo leak from what I can find was from TUM_APISAK January 17th, 2019...2 days after the Reddit leak for Anaconda, Lockhart, and PS5. This was at 1GHz core, then the 1.8GHz core ES comes in April 2019, and as mentioned Oberon at 2GHz core in August 2019.
What did the Github leak mention about Sony total RAM?
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Reindeer
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VFX veteran:
But but MAXXXX SETTIIIINGSSSSS!!!!
Fenris Wolf
Member
If Ubisoft follows the trend (and allows you to play your owned x1 games on XsX without the need to re-purchase and with higher graphics) i would get XsX day one probably.
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Mass Shift
Member
PS5 9TF confirmed.
Gezzus I hope not. Come on Sony, there's no reason to hold back now. There will be no gatherings for reveals until we get confirmation that Covid 19 has started to taper off.
You can spill it Sony.
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Fun Fanboy
Banned
True. Forgot about Kinect.
LED Guy?
Banned
Nope, your info was wrong, you said XSX will be 10 TF, and PS5 is 9 TF.
XSX is 12 TF RDNA 2, more powerful than RTX 2080 Super, almost as powerful as RTX 2080 Ti.
PS5 will be 12TF RDNA 2 or even more.
You were wrong, admit it.
VFXVeteran
Banned
That was never proven as of this current gen. I mention the 2080Ti because it's the most powerful graphics hardware to date regardless of what platform it's running on. And it can NOT run a locked 4k/60FPS.
Unified graphics engines like Unreal, Unity, Frostbite, CryEngine, etc.. were made to scale across multiple platforms. So it's not like a PS4/X1X can render a multiplatform better than expected against the equivalent PC hardware.
What I'm getting at is that people assume that a 12TF equipped console will somehow miraculously pull off consistent 4k/60FPS on any game due to the fact that consoles (even though they are 100% PC hardware components) have some secret sauce. It's just untrue and the people that get offended when I mention this are the ones that find me "annoying". They don't want to hear the truth but want to go on believing what they want to believe.
That's why I said he would get banned a day later.
HawarMiran
Banned
You steering the conversation towards "Muh bUt Pc iS strOnGeR". How do you manage that? Talk about the consoles
Neo Blaster
Member
Hope Sony follows suit. I have this fear these companies would begin to charge for upgrades.
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