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[K.N.W.]

Wait wait wait, it actually says RDNA2 12 TFLOPS, double than XOX. I think it actually means that it's an RDNA2 gpu, with 12 TFLOPS but measured as a GCN card, so in the end we are really looking at a ~9 TFLOPS RDNA2 card. 12 TFLOPS RDNA2 would correspond to almost 16 TFLOPS GCN, and Microsoft probably would declare 2.5 times the power Xbox One X.
And this confirms my suspect that both Team9 and Team12 were right for the two consoles. You were arguing about nothing all along. Peace <3

 

[Reindeer]

TimDog being TimDog

 

[Gavin Stevens]

You were leaning on the PS5 being 10-11TF, right?

Seems to be about the high 10 low 11 ballpark, barely anything in it when it comes down to it really, this is good stuff.

And this is what I meant about the damn SSD, but you all had this weird dream the PS5 SSD was going to cure cancer and shit (well ok, the ps3 tried that, to be fair.)

In short...

Shit just got real. Now I’m just waiting for Sony to drop their bombs. Yes it will be lower, no it won’t matter one bit. This is a bragging rights deal.

We all win.

 

[Fdkenzo]

So, a closed box with 12TF RDNA2, in practice is more powerfull than a 2080ti? I mean, it should give a better performance, because it will not have the same arhitecture like a PC.

 

[jon3sy9]

There's no way this is a $499 machine, right?

i bought xbox all access in december for £25 a month and i can upgrade to xbox series x for free once it releases so i guess its gonna be the same price as the xbox one x was at launch

 

[DJ12]

Me believing 10TF for XSX is OK. I have no narrative. And if me stating any information has been verified as being wrong. That's OK too. Doesn't take away the fact that I have insider information whether accurate or not from what they tell me.

You said you have no source for xbox info yet in the previous quote we have you saying otherwise.

I couldn't careless if the info was correct, but you are blatantly trying to change the history of your comments.

Xbox being 12 tfs does not vindicate you or make ps5 9 tfs. I have no idea why you decided to come back into this thread to be honest acting like some sort if scorned former lover seeking an apology.

You were wrong.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

The differences are too similar to pay any attention too. Comparing fractions at this point is borderline insanity imo.



I don't think that the games coming out of next-gen are going to be as mind-boggling as people are hoping. We saw this last gen.



My inside Sony source admits that the XSX is more powerful than the PS5. I believe him. I don't think he's talking about fractions of one TF. But we'll see.



My Sony source indicated concern for the PS5 stating that Sony has concerns over sales for the high price. Again, we'll see.

I heard around beginning of November from a few Devs at a Social Gathering with Adult beverages involved. That their Target Specs was 10TF 13GB Ram allocation for PS5. That Sony Was going to Up the Memory allocation or was looking into it. That’s around the time Sony told Devs they was sending a newer Version of DS5 Controller for Dev Kits.

Ask Your Insider about this.

 

[chigstoke]

TimDog being TimDog

He’s not exactly endearing himself to anyone on this forum is here? He’s a grade A wet wipe.

 

[demigod]

You said you have no source for xbox info yet in the previous quote we have you saying otherwise.

I couldn't careless if the info was correct, but you are blatantly trying to change the history of your comments.

Xbox being 12 tfs does not vindicate you or make ps5 9 tfs. I have no idea why you decided to come back into this thread to be honest acting like some sort if scorned former lover seeking an apology.

You were wrong.

When coming back to boast about being right BACKFIRED.

 

[01011001]

Wait wait wait, it actually says RDNA2 12 TFLOPS, double than XOX. I think it actually means that it's an RDNA2 gpu, with 12 TFLOPS but measured as a GCN card

jesus fucking christ stop , there is no such thing as GCN tflops... a tflop is a universal unit that is the same no matter what gpu you use. this would literally be false advertising and would result in lawsuits in multiple countries

 

[Mr Moose]

Wait wait wait, it actually says RDNA2 12 TFLOPS, double than XOX. I think it actually means that it's an RDNA2 gpu, with 12 TFLOPS but measured as a GCN card, so in the end we are really looking at a ~9 TFLOPS RDNA2 card. 12 TFLOPS RDNA2 would correspond to almost 16 TFLOPS GCN, and Microsoft probably would declare 2.5 times the power Xbox One X.
And this confirms my suspect that both Team9 and Team12 were right for the two consoles. You were arguing about nothing all along. Peace <3

It's 12TF RDNA2.

 

[Tripolygon]

That's STILL talking about the PS5!!

Don't count on it. Running this game on a PC with a 1080 GPU, SSD, and 16G of RAM is about what SP5/Scarlet will give you. Basically 1080p@ 60FPS or 1440p@ 30fps. Some settings my be lower as well.

GTX 1080 performance. Compute whatever that would be but it'll be > 10TF if using AMD numbers.

I've witnessed you go from 1080 to 1080Ti. We are getting 2080s performance level with RT and VRS as Microsoft has officially confirmed.

 

[demigod]

Oh, I do like it when I’m right... Any questions?

What did you say, any link?

 

[Reindeer]

Wait wait wait, it actually says RDNA2 12 TFLOPS, double than XOX. I think it actually means that it's an RDNA2 gpu, with 12 TFLOPS but measured as a GCN card, so in the end we are really looking at a ~9 TFLOPS RDNA2 card. 12 TFLOPS RDNA2 would correspond to almost 16 TFLOPS GCN, and Microsoft probably would declare 2.5 times the power Xbox One X.
And this confirms my suspect that both Team9 and Team12 were right for the two consoles. You were arguing about nothing all along. Peace <3

It just shows Phil Spencer was underselling Series X's performance which made so many people do RDNA to GCN math lol.

 

[Dolodolo]

I have heard the same thing about the price point being a concern.

Microsoft is handling this masterfully.

Yes. They are doing a masterful job. Releasing a new generation of stub, which will not be able to unlock the potential of a more powerful console to the fullest

 

[StreetsofBeige]

11.6 for XseX and 12.4 for PS5 with XseX having more leeway with clock changes.

Been saying this since the beginning.

So even though MS said last year SeX would be double X, meaning 12tf, your prediction is:

11.6tf with outliers like “MS is rounding up to 12” and MS clocks can be adjusted.

in other words, youve taken a statement from MS since last year, making an 11.6 claim and giving yourself various outs in case you’re wrong.

for PS5 your claim seems to be a hard 12.4.

Any possible excuses or outliers we should know about which can change your 12.4 but let you still claim victory?

 

[Mod of War]

TimDog being TimDog

Absolutely no introspective from that one.

 

[K.N.W.]

jesus fucking christ stop , there is no such thing as GCN tflops... a tflop is a universal unit that is the same no matter what gpu you use. this would literally be false advertising and would result in lawsuits in multiple countries

Think about a 3.0ghz cpu and another 3.0ghz cpu. Why do they perform differently? Different architecture.

It's 12TF RDNA2.

Source?

 

[OsirisBlack]

Yes. They are doing a masterful job. Releasing a new generation of stub, which will not be able to unlock the potential of a more powerful console to the fullest

It can’t all be perfect, are we even sure that they are going to launch Lockhart?

 

[VFXVeteran]

You said you have no source for xbox info yet in the previous quote we have you saying otherwise.

I couldn't careless if the info was correct, but you are blatantly trying to change the history of your comments.

Xbox being 12 tfs does not vindicate you or make ps5 9 tfs. I have no idea why you decided to come back into this thread to be honest acting like some sort if scorned former lover seeking an apology.

You were wrong.

I was wrong about the XSX performance as I believed some insiders on these boards. That was the reason for the quote of 10TFLOPS for the XSX. I only had a verification from my own source of the XBOX being more powerful than the PS5 without any numbers.

If you want to throw in my face that I was wrong for stating my stance on the XSX. Fine.

I'll still look out for the 9.2TFLOP announcement on the PS5 and if it's more than that. I'm OK with that too.

I hope you guys don't think that if I make a statement and it ends up being wrong that I'm going to get into some "trouble" with the law. I don't care. I give info that I know. If it's wrong, so be it.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

What did you say, any link?

Jesus, erm, ctrl-f in this thread? I only posted about 1,000 times haha. Mostly due to the SSD being a worry for some but that’s was stupid to think ms wouldn’t be doing their own magic to match, the audio being hardware based, the GPU and cpu spec etc... man, covered a fair bit.

I flip flopped a fair bit depending on what info came from where and when but settled on stuff a while back.

In short boys and girls, next gen is going to be utterly bloody bonkers, for both machines. Just don’t expect Sony to match these figures this time. They will have their own stuff that will bridge the gap some what, and it will be a difference that average Joe won’t give a toss about. Nothing like current gen.

Its going to be brilliant for all of us,

 

[01011001]

Yes. They are doing a masterful job. Releasing a new generation of stub, which will not be able to unlock the potential of a more powerful console to the fullest

you are aware that Sony is most likely doing exactly the same right? there have been multiple reports about PS4 versions of most of Sony's PS5 games. also if Sony actually goes the PS port path they will need to take lower end PCs into consideration as well.

 

[gamechanger87]

Wait wait wait, it actually says RDNA2 12 TFLOPS, double than XOX. I think it actually means that it's an RDNA2 gpu, with 12 TFLOPS but measured as a GCN card, so in the end we are really looking at a ~9 TFLOPS RDNA2 card. 12 TFLOPS RDNA2 would correspond to almost 16 TFLOPS GCN, and Microsoft probably would declare 2.5 times the power Xbox One X.
And this confirms my suspect that both Team9 and Team12 were right for the two consoles. You were arguing about nothing all along. Peace <3

A TF is a TF. Stop this nonsense. There are no GCN TF and no RDNA TF. If they say its 12 TF its 12TF. The only thing that matters is that 12TF RDNA is more efficient/powerful than 12TF GCN.

I mean how much clearer do they have to be. They said its a 12 TF RDNA 2.0 GPU. No asterisks.

 

[AGRacing]

12TF is pretty amazing.
.... but add to that RDNA2... that’s mind blowing. I would have assumed some hybrid of 1 and 2 at best. I’m genuinely surprised.
Microsoft is being modest when they say 2X One X. Real world performance will be crazy.

 

[Gamernyc78]

11.6 for XseX and 12.4 for PS5 with XseX having more leeway with clock changes.

Been saying this since the beginning.

Quick recap the first report I ever got was that the psv gdk was hot and loud as shit.
This next bit is not insider anything just my thoughts. The newer gdk is quiet and cold not sure how this will affect numbers but I think with both aiming high (don’t think either will hit the target) shits about to get interesting as fuck.

Damnnnn thnks for the info. Ima go look back at the Tommy Fisher info I strongly believe he's onto something.

 

[iamvin22]

Me believing 10TF for XSX is OK. I have no narrative. And if me stating any information has been verified as being wrong. That's OK too. Doesn't take away the fact that I have insider information whether accurate or not from what they tell me.

do you even read what you write before you post?

 

[gamechanger87]

Think about a 3.0ghz cpu and another 3.0ghz cpu. Why do they perform differently? Different architecture.
Source?

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/02/24/what-you-can-expect-next-generation-gaming/

Next Generation Custom Processor: Xbox Series X is our most powerful console ever powered by our custom designed processor leveraging AMD’s latest Zen 2 and RDNA 2 architectures. Delivering four times the processing power of an Xbox One and enabling developers to leverage 12 TFLOPS of GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) performance – twice that of an Xbox One X and more than eight times the original Xbox One. Xbox Series X delivers a true generational leap in processing and graphics power with cutting edge techniques resulting in higher framerates, larger, more sophisticated game worlds, and an immersive experience unlike anything seen in console gaming.

 

[Zero909]

Throwing specs on random day ?

 

[kbear]

You guys realize Osiris knows absolutely nothing, right? He’s LARPing.

 

[sinnergy]

Insiders here are full of it why would Sony find it difficult to put this machine in the market ? They know MS beat them, with 12 TF RDNA 2, Sony with a 10 or 11 TF even if it’s 12 TF RDNA 1.0 cant go the 499 route anymore.

But MS can go 449 if they like , Sony can match THAT or lower to 399.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

So even though MS said last year SeX would be double X, meaning 12tf, your prediction is:

11.6tf with outliers like “MS is rounding up to 12” and MS clocks can be adjusted.

in other words, youve taken a statement from MS since last year, making an 11.6 claim and giving yourself various outs in case you’re wrong.

for PS5 your claim seems to be a hard 12.4.

Any possible excuses or outliers we should know about which can change your 12.4 but let you still claim victory?

Dont be upset with him just cos he says your fave unreleased console might be a bit slower.

 

[OsirisBlack]

So even though MS said last year SeX would be double X, meaning 12tf, your prediction is:

11.6tf with outliers like “MS is rounding up to 12” and MS clocks can be adjusted.

in other words, youve taken a statement from MS since last year, making an 11.6 claim and giving yourself various outs in case you’re wrong.

for PS5 your claim seems to be a hard 12.4.

Any possible excuses or outliers we should know about which can change your 12.4 but let you still claim victory?

Nope nothing that I haven’t already said in the past. There are no various outs I said 11.6 they said 12 flat ok? My information from last year was .4 off I’m sorry. (Not really) I’m not claiming shit I’m just not changing my numbers. I don’t care what TF they wind up as I’ll own them both.

Edited to add:
Next gen I’ll just observe and keep whatever I know to myself.

 

[icerock]

That means nothing if you don't know what the game is doing graphically. Just because one game can do 4k/90 doesn't mean ALL games are going to run 4k/90. Again, look at the 2080Ti performance (which is significantly more powerful than the consoles GPU power) as a measuring tool and what games it struggles to maintain 4k/60FPS and deduce from there.

Shadow of the TR
Modern Warfare
Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts
Jedi Fallen
Metro
Control
Detroit

etc,..

All of those games can NOT maintain 4k/60FPS at Max settings on a 2080Ti. They damn sure won't run 4k/60 on the next-gen consoles.

Back at it again eh?

In a thread which is full of console zealots on both sides, it's almost impressive how you manage to piss every single one of them.

 

[01011001]

Think about a 3.0ghz cpu and another 3.0ghz cpu. Why do they perform differently? Different architecture.

it would still be false advertisement to state 12TF when the card can't deliver that.
performance differences across different architectures are a completely different thing. a TFLOP is the exact same no matter what architecture you are talking about. it is just that better architectures use the available power in a more efficient way.
if Microsoft states 12TF RDNA2 it means exactly that, an RDNA2.0 GPU with 12TFlops of raw compute power. if they lie about that they will be in court for it... remember how Sony got sued and lost a court case when they said that the Multiplayer of Killzone Shadow Fall runs at 1080p? when it was technically using reconstruction to reach 1080p? yeah, and that one wasn't as cut and dry as this would be.

 

[Mr Moose]

Think about a 3.0ghz cpu and another 3.0ghz cpu. Why do they perform differently? Different architecture.
Source?

What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming - Xbox Wire

The future of gaming has never been more inspiring. Creativity in games is flourishing. New services empower you to discover more games—and bring you closer to the games and creators and streamers you love. The cloud creates a massive opportunity to stream console-quality games and play with the...

news.xbox.com

Next Generation Custom Processor:

Xbox Series X is our most powerful console ever powered by our custom designed processor leveraging AMD’s latest Zen 2 and RDNA 2 architectures. Delivering four times the processing power of an Xbox One and enabling developers to leverage 12 TFLOPS of GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) performance – twice that of an Xbox One X and more than eight times the original Xbox One. Xbox Series X delivers a true generational leap in processing and graphics power with cutting edge techniques resulting in higher framerates, larger, more sophisticated game worlds, and an immersive experience unlike anything seen in console gaming.

 

[Reindeer]

A TF is a TF. Stop this nonsense. There are no GCN TF and no RDNA TF. If they say its 12 TF its 12TF. The only thing that matters is that 12TF RDNA is more efficient/powerful than 12TF GCN.

I mean how much clearer do they have to be. They said its a 12 TF RDNA 2.0 GPU. No asterisks.

Only problem is that Phil Spencer didn't say TFlop or power, he said performance which made people question things. And RDNA TF is not the same as GCN TF once efficiency is taken into account. Same performance metric name, but not 1:1 comparable.

 

[Whitecrow]

jesus fucking christ stop , there is no such thing as GCN tflops... a tflop is a universal unit that is the same no matter what gpu you use. this would literally be false advertising and would result in lawsuits in multiple countries

The performance you get out of the FLOPS is directly tied to the architecture that handles them.

Look the TFLOPS as the force of a car engine, each car, with the same engine, will perform differently depending on the total weight and other factors.

At the end of the day, TFLOPS is a measurement of information you get by unit of time, but after you do all the operations, and you get all the information, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING with that information. There are lots of design choices to be made and a lots of ways you can handle that information.
So yeah, architecture matters. End of the story, please.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Source?

How about the f****** official product page?

What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming - Xbox Wire

The future of gaming has never been more inspiring. Creativity in games is flourishing. New services empower you to discover more games—and bring you closer to the games and creators and streamers you love. The cloud creates a massive opportunity to stream console-quality games and play with the...

news.xbox.com

 

[On Demand]

the idea IS NOT THE SAME.
again PS4pro supported games LITERALLY use the exact same files, the exact same executables and in 99% of all the games even the exact same textures.
all that is different on the PS4 pro versions is that there is a config file in there that tells the game to run at different settings when it detects that it runs in a Pro.

these new consoles will most likely use slightly different APIs, they will use completely different assets and use GPU features the old systems do not support.

The idea of a different console supporting the same games with the more powerful one automatically taking advantage of the developer patch. This is already happening now.

Yes it's a new generation. That doesn't mean the idea in practice isn't similar. You think TLOU2 is not going to work on PS5 with upgraded graphics for free? People buying it this year will already own the PS5 version. See, semantics!

By the way. This won't be universal. There will be developers that's will make a completely separate SKU for PS5 and XBSX and charge for it. We aren't cross gen games forever.

 

[sonomamashine]

I have heard the same thing about the price point being a concern.

Microsoft is handling this masterfully.

Taking less risk with 2 sku's.

 

[HawarMiran]

Imagine a Ken Kutaragi console in 2020 . He sure would do some crazy shit

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That means nothing if you don't know what the game is doing graphically. Just because one game can do 4k/90 doesn't mean ALL games are going to run 4k/90. Again, look at the 2080Ti performance (which is significantly more powerful than the consoles GPU power) as a measuring tool and what games it struggles to maintain 4k/60FPS and deduce from there.

Shadow of the TR
Modern Warfare
Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts
Jedi Fallen
Metro
Control
Detroit

etc,..

All of those games can NOT maintain 4k/60FPS at Max settings on a 2080Ti. They damn sure won't run 4k/60 on the next-gen consoles.

 

[kbear]

Edited to add:
Next gen I’ll just observe and keep whatever I know to myself.

You don’t know anything. I’ve been on the frontlines of the Console Wars since you were in diapers and can confidently say you’re one of the most obvious fake insiders of all time. You literally don’t know a single thing, you don’t have a source, nothing.

 

[Neo Blaster]

It can’t all be perfect, are we even sure that they are going to launch Lockhart?

I bet sometime later, when they retire the One family.

 

[demigod]

So even though MS said last year SeX would be double X, meaning 12tf, your prediction is:

11.6tf with outliers like “MS is rounding up to 12” and MS clocks can be adjusted.

in other words, youve taken a statement from MS since last year, making an 11.6 claim and giving yourself various outs in case you’re wrong.

for PS5 your claim seems to be a hard 12.4.

Any possible excuses or outliers we should know about which can change your 12.4 but let you still claim victory?

How about calling out the other fake insider instead that said its 10 TF? Cause 11.6 is DAMN CLOSE to 12. Oh right it's because Osiris didn't say your fave box was leading so you picked him out.

 

[K.N.W.]

A TF is a TF. Stop this nonsense. There are no GCN TF and no RDNA TF. If they say its 12 TF its 12TF. The only thing that matters is that 12TF RDNA is more efficient/powerful than 12TF GCN.

I mean how much clearer do they have to be. They said its a 12 TF RDNA 2.0 GPU. No asterisks.

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/02/24/what-you-can-expect-next-generation-gaming/

What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming - Xbox Wire

The future of gaming has never been more inspiring. Creativity in games is flourishing. New services empower you to discover more games—and bring you closer to the games and creators and streamers you love. The cloud creates a massive opportunity to stream console-quality games and play with the...

news.xbox.com

How about the f****** official product page?

What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming - Xbox Wire

The future of gaming has never been more inspiring. Creativity in games is flourishing. New services empower you to discover more games—and bring you closer to the games and creators and streamers you love. The cloud creates a massive opportunity to stream console-quality games and play with the...

news.xbox.com

"Results elsewhere were less impressive under DX11, but even in our worst case scenario (a mere 30 per cent of additional performance) we proved that a GCN 1.0 teraflop is considerably less potent than an RDNA 1.0 equivalent - and there's also evidence here that AMD's architecture has evolved considerably over time in other directions - with geometry processing in particular delivering vastly improved results."
www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2019-teraflop-face-off-current-gen-vs-next-gen
Page 5

 

[gaming_noob]

How about the f****** official product page?

What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming - Xbox Wire

The future of gaming has never been more inspiring. Creativity in games is flourishing. New services empower you to discover more games—and bring you closer to the games and creators and streamers you love. The cloud creates a massive opportunity to stream console-quality games and play with the...

news.xbox.com

Not clicking click bait. What source is this website using

 

[demigod]

You don’t know anything. I’ve been on the frontlines of the Console Wars since you were in diapers and can confidently say you’re one of the most obvious fake insiders of all time. You literally don’t know a single thing, you don’t have a source, nothing.

Mod of War would like a word with you.

 

[Dolodolo]

you are aware that Sony is most likely doing exactly the same right? there have been multiple reports about PS4 versions of most of Sony's PS5 games. also if Sony actually goes the PS port path they will need to take lower end PCs into consideration as well.

What are you talking about ?
1) Matt Booty and Phil Spencer said that the new consoles will not have exclusives for two years from the launch of the new consoles
2) Jason Schreier said several times that Sony will have new generation projects at the start(the most banal is the Blupoint game. Even their website says that they are going to define a new graphics standard for next-generation games)
3) No matter how much you talk about Lockhart, which does not hold back the potential of the Xbox series X, it is not. You can even in the throes of the fight
Checking the information before answering me, please
Thanks

 

[Tripolygon]

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holyshit i almost spat all over my keyboard.