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30yearsofhurt
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I just threw up in my mouth.
ResilientBanana
Member
He’s been in the ball park on some things but never correct.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Not all reporters are equal in their output.
I already covered that, it's why I said Penello was low-balling. He probably didn't take some of those factors into account, such as it being for current-gen games.
You're now just throwing personal feelings into objective analysis, why would people take you at your word when you are slandering a rather known industry figure, regardless of how you personally feel about them? And it's not like Cerny isn't doing the same thing: saying things to keep Sony in mindshare. It's a big reason why he's the one doing these interviews and not Jim Ryan; Cerny is arguably one of the last people from the old guard PS team that built PS4 into a success. The others have left, some conspicuously.
At the end of the day both of these guys and the companies they work for are in this for the business and the money; even if what they say is pleasing to you, just know it's also part of their way to work you into their ecosystem (or remain in it, or invest in it even more).
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BlacknGold_Blood
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A poster in the other forum said the pastebin that stated the PS5 reveal date announcement was set for this Thursday at 2 pm PT was deleted after only being up 10 minutes. This true?
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
With all this hints about consoles actually very close in power (plus mostly the same tech already officiall) and the modern state of the hardware, there is not much to be worried about imho.
1 full tf difference in power it would still be less than 10% and only regarding GPU. It's nothing, especially if you considers that games like the next battlefield, AC, Halo, HZD, GoW, GTA etc... they will convey a level of detail so microscopic that the average eye won't literally notice ANY difference. Any, at all. Most eyes will not see in moving gameplay a different filter, sighly lower AA, a shadow that is a fraction different, an object that pop up from the distance in one version and not in the other, especially while playing one version of the game at time. Art design, engines and skills will be the key to make a game better looking than another, between AAA.
1 full tf difference in power it would still be less than 10% and only regarding GPU. It's nothing, especially if you considers that games like the next battlefield, AC, Halo, HZD, GoW, GTA etc... they will convey a level of detail so microscopic that the average eye won't literally notice ANY difference. Any, at all. Most eyes will not see in moving gameplay a different filter, sighly lower AA, a shadow that is a fraction different, an object that pop up from the distance in one version and not in the other, especially while playing one version of the game at time. Art design, engines and skills will be the key to make a game better looking than another, between AAA.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
Like a good throw up?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Might want to get comfy and get some snacks in then. These are two of the ones that they can change quite late in the game to combat the other side, hence why they haven’t reported them
IkarugaDE
Member
Sony did the same 7 years ago.Might want to get comfy and get some snacks in then. These are two of the ones that they can change quite late in the game to combat the other side, hence why they haven’t reported them
Dory16
Banned
Oh I see. Totoki
I did. Totoki said "competition" and you are willing to pretend that he didn't mean Microsoft. I'm not. All gaming outlets have reported that Sony is waiting out Microsoft.
Also you are both intentionally ignoring the blatant point I was making. MS and Sony know each other's specs, just not each other's price. Sony isn't doing anything to quell the narrative that MS will have the most powerful machine.
Those are facts. Dig your heads into the sand as much as you like.
Nivek OnlyOn
Member
2080 super 11.3 TF excluding RT hardware on die.
Xsx 12 TF - does exclude RT floating point calculation as well?
Xsx 12 TF - does exclude RT floating point calculation as well?
nikolino840
Member
Not really if you look digital foundry videos there's a huge difference in graphics between Xbox One and ps4 (1.31 VS 1.84 tflops)
jsig212james
Banned
Everyone talking about flops, meanwhile I'm waiting on
OsirisBlack
to talk more about this "Superman" game 
...
OsirisBlack
to talk more about this "Superman" game ...
FranXico
Member
That's around 30%, not 10%.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
No, I heard from inside sources that Sony's SSD will be on Azure, with their special quantum bit sync controller there is never going to be any kind of delays in transfer.
... What you said is actually my best guess as far as Sony's rumored SSD throughput advantage.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
It's a remake of Superman 64 (they promised to fix half the bugs and they will add raytracing reflections).Everyone talking about flops, meanwhile I'm waiting on
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
"huge", huge is PS3 vs PS4, not pixels count and some anti aliasing. DF is there to make those difference as a big deal, they stop gameplay, they zoom, they describe, 95% won't notice (framerate aside). But anyway to have a 40% difference like this gen, you need Cerny to fall with his creepy ass face on the devkit and fucking up the GPU, the One vs PS4 was already crazy and for stupid reasons, but now you will really need like a 8\9 tf machine vs Series X to see that again.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
if you have 4 apples and i take 1 away, you’ve lost a lot.
These consoles are essentially you have 100 apples and I take 1 away.
while a single tf sounds like a lot of you compare it to say the PS4 being 1.84, it’s not a lot when you have much more power to play with. You actually end you needing more power to be taken away to see the differences.
That’s why people worrying about one being a tf or so off the other is so funny... chances are you won’t see that at all, and will need digital foundry and the like to even Point it out, and even then, you likely won’t really care. This isn’t Xbox one vs PS4
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol you admonish him for slandering a known industry right after slandering reporters yourself.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
no one knows wtf is going on with github, i doubt devs would know which means osiris likely doesnt know.
what we do know is that the clockspeeds of the ps4 and pro are in the ariel and oberon gpu profiles. thats literally the only link.
you know where we found the xbox one and xbox one x cpu clockspeeds? in an amd gpu leaked last week with the exact 1.7 and 2.3 clock profiles. its gpu was clocked at 1.2 ghz. and yet you dont see anyone from team github giving it any kind of validity even for lockhart because that would only be 3 tflops. i guess team data doesnt like it when the data doesnt suit them.
Not #TeamGithub, but I actually just remembered this and it could very well be Lockhart. In fact, it's almost certainly Lockhart and I always thought Lockhart should be focused more on streaming than local gameplay. 3.68TF RDNA2 would be great for a streaming device and it'd also mean Lockhart could probably hit $299.
Plus, if scalability is really as good as they say then I think they could offer native 1080p60 (or 1080p30) for most games because 3.68TF is more than 1/4 of XSX's 12TF, and it'll have similar CPU setup and RAM setup too (just less of it). Plus given the recent news I think that more or less solidifies this is Lockhart.
Big question now is does it come out this year?...
I didn't slander anyone. Just said some have better credentials than others. Was just referring that among the ones listed, i.e some of the ones they listed have better credentials than some of the other ones listed.
But I'm not gonna turn this into that kind of discussion, don't think it's needed.
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Mr Moose
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~42% difference in TF, ~42% difference in resolution (900p v 1080p).
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
Member
What if.....Sony is doing two SKUs also and the 9TF one is the lower-end model that works with PSVR1 (and will battle with the lower end xbox)....and they haven't announced a higher end model closer to 13TF that is PSVR2 ready
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IkarugaDE
Member
Let's name it... PS4U!What if.....Sony is doing two SKUs also and the 9TF one is the lower-end model that works with PSVR1 (and will battle with the lower end xbox)....and they haven't announced a higher end model closer to 13TF that is PSVR2 ready
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Assuming is 1 full tf of difference, it would still be less than 10. Likw what, 8%? Give me a break lol
Plus less resolution on a 1080 p standards is one thing, on 4K is another, again: it's less important the more you go up.
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jsig212james
Banned
Finally. Exactly what I've been waiting on
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
Member
I mean, they already have different models of phones that release. Apple has proven this type of thing is sustainable.
Is it so hard to believe that a PS5 and a PS5+ cant be sold?
12 Tflops.
How can they get there.
40CUs @ 2350Mhz - not gonna happen.
46CUs @ 2050Mhz - nah.
52CUs @ 1805Mhz - closer. Looks like a viable option
58CUs @ 1620Mhz - probably slightly too many active shaders.
Makes me think 56 Active CUs (out of 60) @ 1675Mhz is the way they have gone although if yields are good then 58 active at lower clocks lowers power and cooling requirements so makes for a quieter console.
Makes me think it must be built on N7+ as well to minimise power usage and thermals.
How can they get there.
40CUs @ 2350Mhz - not gonna happen.
46CUs @ 2050Mhz - nah.
52CUs @ 1805Mhz - closer. Looks like a viable option
58CUs @ 1620Mhz - probably slightly too many active shaders.
Makes me think 56 Active CUs (out of 60) @ 1675Mhz is the way they have gone although if yields are good then 58 active at lower clocks lowers power and cooling requirements so makes for a quieter console.
Makes me think it must be built on N7+ as well to minimise power usage and thermals.
sonomamashine
Member
Hmm neomember i seeI still believe in 12.3 TFlops PS5 with 16GB HBM2 + 8 DDR4 (6 OS / 2 SSD Cache) and an Ultra-fast SSG-SSD (CPU-GPU) for U$499 with U$100 lost by unit.
- PS5 will be the showcase of Samsung's HBM2 memories.
- The ultra-fast SSD is necessary because CPU and GPU will stream data directly from it simultaneously.
- Sony can reduce the CPU clock because part of the load will be handled directly by GPU.
- HBM2 is expensive but has a huge advantage on space and energy consumption (which allowed Sony to push more on GPU clock), also has better performance.
- Less CUs, higher Clock, Sony's approach to getting a cheaper GPU with high teraflops count.
Just a dream! I'm not pretending to be a fake insider, please... it's just what I believe, I'm a man of faith!
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Now let me back for what I was doing..
SgtCaffran
Member
Well he is verified here, has made several good calls over the past months, is also recognised by other verified posters here and has posted extensive information about gameplay video and game playthroughs. Make of that what you want.
IkarugaDE
Member
Think they could do again a Pro at the middle of the lifecycle.
Or they make the Apple "one more thing" and reveal a Playstation 4 Go! A tablet-hybrid which plays PS4 games digital only.
TLZ
Banned
K.N.W.
Member
Oh s.... I might have figured out something!
I was looking at the instruction set for both GCN and RDNA, and there seem to be many differences. Since consoles are fully backward compatibile (no patches required), I'm wondering if the system software can modify istructions on the fly to make current gen run flawalessly (but I don't think it's so easy to do that) .... Or we are looking at GCN GPUs with RDNA features. Bang.
I was looking at the instruction set for both GCN and RDNA, and there seem to be many differences. Since consoles are fully backward compatibile (no patches required), I'm wondering if the system software can modify istructions on the fly to make current gen run flawalessly (but I don't think it's so easy to do that) .... Or we are looking at GCN GPUs with RDNA features. Bang.
saintjules
Member
Posted already? Looks like stuff we heard of already though, with some bits of other news.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What are diminishing returns?
demigod
Member
Think they could do again a Pro at the middle of the lifecycle.
Or they make the Apple "one more thing" and reveal a Playstation 4 Go! A tablet-hybrid which plays PS4 games digital only.
I think this totally depends on how fast adoption rate of 8K TVs are and if AMD has an APU ready for 8K.
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
Member
I mean a mid life refresh is expected from both companies. But the reality is the market has two groups of distinct consumers. Those who want the top of the line tech (Apple 11 Pro Max) and those who just want new but without all the extra bells and whistles (Apple 11). Both will buy, but both have two different price points.Think they could do again a Pro at the middle of the lifecycle.
Or they make the Apple "one more thing" and reveal a Playstation 4 Go! A tablet-hybrid which plays PS4 games digital only.
PSNow on tablets and phones tho
ethomaz
Banned
The page is private.
The pic add nothing from what Sony’s Wired article covered already.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
No matter where you BELIEVE things will fall I have to question how people can be so confident based on rumors and "leaks" which we cannot know are true or false. Why must we be so absolute with our guesses? I certainly hope for a 12tf PS5 but I can find rumors for or against it and no matter what I push here it won't change what Sony has
44alltheway
Member
yikes
I think that the talent is more important than TF.
LostDonkey
Member
I think that the talent is more important than TF.
TLOU Cutscenes are all pre rendered.
DJ12
Member
Pretty sure
OsirisBlack
said keep an eye on his former employer a week ago.Hopefully this is the start of a chain of events that brings everyone up to speed.
IkarugaDE
Member
Well... I personally think a lite console no matter if it's from MS or sony could negativly affect the whole generation with games made for the lite consoles and not going to be optimized for the big ones. IMO a midgen upgrade is good while a start-downgrade is not.I mean a mid life refresh is expected from both companies. But the reality is the market has two groups of distinct consumers. Those who want the top of the line tech (Apple 11 Pro Max) and those who just want new but without all the extra bells and whistles (Apple 11). Both will buy, but both have two different price points.
PSNow on tablets and phones tho
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K.N.W.
Member
ND swithced to full real time since UC 4, and made even a big fuss about staying like that, so probably TLOU2's ones are Real Time too.
Mr Moose
Member
That's a really bad pic of... Halo? The resolution is almost potato levels.
I think that the talent is more important than TF.
I don't think they are this gen.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
They were going to call it that but then everyone remembered the last console that took it's successful predecessors name and added a U to it
JLMC469
Banned
I think that the talent is more important than TF.
Halo is cross-gen...
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