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[Kagey K]

BTW some of you are not quite grasping what smart delivery is. It means that you will get the correct version of the game no matter what console you are on, with a single copy of the game.

A lot of you are comparing this to pro and x releases, but that’s not quite right. A more appropriate analogy would be Forza Horizon 2, as that was actually two totally different engines and games, by two totally different teams, for two totally different systems.

So while yes it will cover things like Bc and FC, it will also help with unique skus for each console.

It was actually more like COD Ghosts, where if you bought it digitally on 360 you got the XB1 game for free.

The problem was back then with no B.C. digital was the only way to prove ownership.

There were a few other games that offered free upgrades or nominal fees for upgrading, but nobody seems to remember those.

 

[bhunachicken]

I, for one, don't believe that Sony will launch a PS5 Pro alongside the PS5. It's not exactly their MO. It might happen somewhere down the line, but not from day one.

The thing with the PlayStation is that Sony have always put out one machine. You get a PS5, you know it's a PS5 and will be the same as all the other PS5s available.

To us, the difference would be clear should multiple SKUs appear; we're gamers who lurk on these boards and know our stuff.

A non-gamer parent, however, buying a console for their kids doesn't want to agonise over whether they should get a PS5, a PS5 Pro, a PS5 Pro Plus, or a PS5 Lite. At that point, they'd just decide to go and get a puppy*.

(* - probably a better choice, to be fair)

 

[Reindeer]

He's just using a backdoor strategy, so if PS5 comes higher than 9TF, he'll say that original PS5 and Lockhart plans have been canceled due to devs asking so or something like that. A last attempt to sound legit/insider-ish and take a shortcut to redemption.

Funny how most of the insiders give themselves a backdoor in case their are wrong. Even though they are bunch of man-babies, I will give credit to RDX crew for standing by thier specs instead of being vague and trying to protect their insider status.

 

[HolyTruth]

BTW some of you are not quite grasping what smart delivery is. It means that you will get the correct version of the game no matter what console you are on, with a single copy of the game.

A lot of you are comparing this to pro and x releases, but that’s not quite right. A more appropriate analogy would be Forza Horizon 2, as that was actually two totally different engines and games, by two totally different teams, for two totally different systems.

So while yes it will cover things like Bc and FC, it will also help with unique skus for each console.

Yep. It’s like buying GTA V on XBOX 360 and get the XBOX ONE X version FOR FREE. this is a megaton. Microsoft is really trying to kill all barriers. For customers sake.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

that’s a good question actually because the answer depends on what the next chase is. Pro consoles only exist to give the same games at 4k (ish). So would the future pro consoles only exist for 8k?

I guess Sony would push for 8K as it's important for its other branches. The Master series is still overpriced but at that time like around 2023-2024 we should easily expect Sony to have an alpha camera with 8K videography, Xperia 8K screen (overkill) and 8K video, and 8K TV's getting much more mid-ranged.

 

[Reindeer]

Yep. It’s like buying GTA V on XBOX 360 and get the XBOX ONE X version FOR FREE. this is a megaton. Microsoft is really trying to kill all barriers. For customers sake.

I would imagine this was taken with lot of disgust and hate from the big publishers. They surely can't be happy about it. Now publishers would really have to give you a good reason to pay twice or they would face lots of consumer hate.

 

[mitchman]

huh i read somewhere Sky Hynix factory had their 800 korean worker quarantine due to coronavirus

They have many thousands of employees and a small part of them were asked to stay at home. It did not influence their production in any way.

 

[Kagey K]

Yep. It’s like buying GTA V on XBOX 360 and get the XBOX ONE X version FOR FREE. this is a megaton. Microsoft is really trying to kill all barriers. For customers sake.

They did it last gen with COD Ghosts and a few other games. This is not exactly uncharted territory.

 

[Kagey K]

I would imagine this was taken with lot of disgust and hate from the big publishers. They surely can't be happy about it. Now publishers would really have to give you a good reason to pay twice or they would face lots of consumer hate.

So you should be happy, wether you play on Xbox or Playstation this ruling could help you as a consumer.

 

[Reindeer]

Microsoft trying to so consumer friendly is even more amazing when taking into account how poorly their first party games have been selling. I guess they are banking everything on GamePass and XCloud since I can't see their games selling well going forward with them being available day one on GamePass.

 

[Reindeer]

So you should be happy, wether you play on Xbox or Playstation this ruling could help you as a consumer.

Of course, that goes without saying.

 

[Reindeer]

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[pasterpl]

I guess Sony would push for 8K as it's important for its other branches. The Master series is still overpriced but at that time like around 2023-2024 we should easily expect Sony to have an alpha camera with 8K videography, Xperia 8K screen (overkill) and 8K video, and 8K TV's getting much more mid-ranged.

I am thinking about upgrading to 8K Tv this holiday season, the only issue I have got is that there is barely any content out there in 8K

 

[MARTYWOLF]

Old but curious if there is a psvr2 will we potentially get a price drop on normal psvr still hella expensive in my country. Seeing as it will be compatible with ps5

Edit haha ok this is funny We are waiting for dewan of playstation 5 reveal

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I am thinking about upgrading to 8K Tv this holiday season, the only issue I have got is that there is barely any content out there in 8K

I can't see anything better than TCL 8-Series for 8K in terms of price and good quality. 8K will have sharper 4K and probably slightly better local dimming for an LCD. Best TV's are coming later around 2023 with micrLED tech, good for mid-gen upgrades and probably getting something higher than HDMI 2.1.

 

[SlimySnake]

So vfx comes out of nowhere and claims both console makers are launching with two consoles.

Then a few posts and $800 nonsense later the ps5 pro becomes a mid gen refresh To launch in 2020.

I mean come on guys. This is utter nonsense.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I am thinking about upgrading to 8K Tv this holiday season, the only issue I have got is that there is barely any content out there in 8K

Unless the TV is going to be in a room so big that you sit 10 metres away, therefore it needs to be over 85 inches, 8K would be pointless.

Rather go for the best 4K OLED.

 

[Moses85]

Sony has balls of steel.

 

[Moses85]

Guys you all have to calm down. Sheesh!

Our text was pretty flaky because he was getting the information from a very high profile worker at Sony.

The text seems to be all over the place.

I never got dates nor prices. As I said before, "expensive" to me means near Nvidia 2080 costs. The guessing is all on me so take it with a grain of salt.

PS5 as of now is 9TF. I specifically asked that and got a yes.

PS5 falls in between performance of the Lockheart and the XSX. That is confirmed.

The iffy part is the PS5 Pro.

"they have one model with lower specs than PS5 and one model with higher specs. PS5 is right in the middle" -- talking about the Xbox SKUs.

"tons of rumors that the lower spec xbox is coming out this year".

"XSX is equivalent to the RTX 2080 super"

"unless they plan on selling it for $800 I doubt it will release anytime soon." -- XSX coming out later??

There is other comments like if XSX sells for $500 then that would disrupt Nvidia sells, etc.."

Anyway, I tried to piece together was is happening. It appears like the PS5 Pro is coming later. That would mean the base PS5 is 9TF and perhaps the 2 SKUs for Xbox are releasing during xmas 2020.

So 2 models. Possible 2 coming out from Microsoft but 1 coming out for Sony.

I'm just as confused as you guys but I won't press for straight answers.

bye bye

 

[Bo_Hazem]

VFXVeteran said: I heard that there are 2 consoles per company. The mid-gen refreshes are going to be introduced at release so that these consoles can run the entire 7yr cycle. Also no dates on when the top models will come out for PS5. My guess is that they are going to release both models at the same time.

Dude you're contradicting yourself there. First you say they're all going to be released at the same time, then you say you don't know when the top model's coming out.

As Pasta once said

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Yep. It’s like buying GTA V on XBOX 360 and get the XBOX ONE X version FOR FREE. this is a megaton. Microsoft is really trying to kill all barriers. For customers sake.

So if this is their thing, we wont ever get XSX exclusives ? Would be terrible if true. Everything has to have an Xbox One version.

 

[pasterpl]

I can't see anything better than TCL 8-Series for 8K in terms of price and good quality. 8K will have sharper 4K and probably slightly better local dimming for an LCD. Best TV's are coming later around 2023 with micrLED tech, good for mid-gen upgrades and probably getting something higher than HDMI 2.1.

Currently, I have got Samsung KS9800 65 inch Qled TV (since early 2017) and I am very happy with it. I sort of like Samsung TVs (got my parents 2019 Q70 model and I have to say it is amazing as well). Last Sony TV I've had was probably CRT Trinitron 21 inch (btw. in the attic at the moment but it is still working)

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

He was just wishing Phil the best before his KeemoTherapee started:

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Back in content delivery for a second, yes I think ghosts is as close as you will get.

An example of how it will work:

* You buy Halo Infinite, and get a single disk/box/licence. You are getting however, two different games, that leverage two different platforms. One for Xbox one and xbox one x, and one for the new series x (and possible s).

* each version will likely be made by different teams with access to all the assets and code, and will essentially strip the game down to work on the older console. Good examples of this are COD Ghosts on One and 360, and Forza Horizon 2.

* the last gen game will be missing features. That much will have to happen. It will also have stuff cut back or cut down. It’s just not possible else. You may have new loading areas, or less Onscreen ai, or anything.

* You will essentially have two games, but for the price of one - play the game on the system you own.

* while this is mandated atm for all first party titles, third parties are free to do what they want. For example COD may release and allow you to play the game on Xbox one and SX with a single disk, while battlefront may only work on SX with no last gen features. Meanwhile MOH may come out and work on both Xbox One and SX, but with two disks. Likewise, Farcry 6 may come out and be only on Xbox one (but would of course run better on sx). The choice is in the developers hands here.

* The general idea is you buy a single game, and pop it in. You don’t need to do anything else. The system will instantly know the best version you want and install it, seamless.

* you may, however, be prompted to install features. For example, COD may ask if you want to install the single player, multiplayer, or both.

This is all really good and really smart. It may sound basic to you, but you can’t do anything like this atm. You will get the chance on recent games to install only certain parts (for example Bayonetta/Vanquish allows you to install what you want), but the other stuff is new. The only thing that will make all of this even better is the option to download patches for games WITHOUT a disk licence. So, if you could download a day one 50gb patch for a game, before it’s even released to buy on disk. That would help a lot. Even more so if you can download any game any time, fully, without the disk licence, but still be required to play. Though we know why they won’t do that.

 

[TBiddy]

So if this is their thing, we wont ever get XSX exclusives ? Would be terrible if true. Everything has to have an Xbox One version.

That's not how it works.

IF the game is supported by Smart Delivery and IF there is an XB1 version, you get the XB1 version and the XSX version, without having to pay for both. It only means that even if you buy games for your XB1 (not that you own one, but you get the idea), you will get access to the XSX version when you upgrade.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

A fair amount cheaper than the Pro though? I guess it's a supply and demand thing, still kinda surprising to me. Sony are killing it this gen, even while keeping their prices pretty high (took a leaf out of Nintendos book lol).


Is it true that E3 costs them 30-60M to attend? Getting doxxed and paying millions for it, glad Sony are skipping it. (I hope they do something around that time for us gamers though, because that shit is like Christmas for me).

Last black Friday it got as low as around 100 OMR ($260) cheaper than Switch + Switch Lite, PS4 Pro + Slim. Last time I checked it jumped back to around $400. A small survey I made at school (~70 students), nearly a ratio of 1:20, and only one had Xbox one but not PS4, the 4 others had both. Probably got them during that period, I guess.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

That's not how it works.

IF the game is supported by Smart Delivery and IF there is an XB1 version, you get the XB1 version and the XSX version, without having to pay for both. It only means that even if you buy games for your XB1 (not that you own one, but you get the idea), you will get access to the XSX version when you upgrade.

That’s what I JUST said were you talking to me, mista?

 

[Reindeer]

Last black Friday it got as low as around 100 OMR ($260) cheaper than Switch + Switch Lite, PS4 Pro + Slim. Last time I checked it jumped back to around $400. A small survey I made at school (~70 students), nearly a ratio of 1:20, and only one had Xbox one but not PS4, the 4 others had both. Probably got them during that period, I guess.

Microsoft dropped X officially to 350 as well, that's with game(s) bundled too. I think further price cuts are on the horizon for both sides.

 

[MilkyJoe]

I am thinking about upgrading to 8K Tv this holiday season, the only issue I have got is that there is barely any content out there in 8K

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Visit a TV shop and watch an 8K video there, it's very noticeably better than 4k. But at this point, it's not necessary, except if you're a photographer who uses the TV as a monitor and have a 33.2MP+ camera. I do expect TCL 8-Series 8K will be price very close to other 4K TV's, so why not? A better 4K image, at least, just like 1080p looks way better on a 4K TV.

 

[Reindeer]

Blue's insider when it comes to PS5 is VFX lol.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Visit a TV shop and watch an 8K video there, it's very noticeably better than 4k. But at this point, it's not necessary, except if you're a photographer who uses the TV as a monitor and have a 33.2MP+ camera. I do expect TCL 8-Series 8K will be price very close to other 4K TV's, so why not? A better 4K image, at least, just like 1080p looks way better on a 4K TV.

Exactly, why pay for the tech now, when you know the tech will be better when the content is there.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Exactly, why pay for the tech now, when you know the tech will be better when the content is there.

2023-2024 would be the perfect time for 8K and microLED, but as said before, if you have an 8K TV priced very closely to a 4K TV, why not? I'm personally thinking more 4K with HDMI 2.1 but if we get TCL 8K around here (most what we get is low budget TCL's, no high-end's) then might get that instead. Nearly spoiled around $3900 on Samsung Q900R 65", the lack of Dolby Vision made me reconsider and probably wait until next black Friday or early 2021 with 2020 lineup clearance.

 

[HawarMiran]

Blue's insider when it comes to PS5 is VFX lol.

this blue guy has some mental health issues. it is apparent

 

[LED Guy?]

Blue's insider when it comes to PS5 is VFX lol.

Yeah he believes VFX even though VFX has been pushing the 9 and 10 TF agenda for both consoles and he even claimed that XSX is a 10 TF only to be proven wrong.

And now.......Sony has 2 consoles and will have 2 other consoles later

 

[Reindeer]

2023-2024 would be the perfect time for 8K and microLED, but as said before, if you have an 8K TV priced very closely to a 4K TV, why not? I'm personally thinking more 4K with HDMI 2.1 but if we get TCL 8K around here (most what we get is low budget TCL's, no high-end's) then might get that instead. Nearly spoiled around $3900 on Samsung Q900R 65", the lack of Dolby Vision made me reconsider and probably wait until next black Friday or early 2021 with 2020 lineup clearance.

I doubt next gen Pro consoles will offer native 8K, they will likely upscale through AI and do upscaled 8K/60 and maybe 4K/120 native.

 

[PaintTinJr]

I guess Sony would push for 8K as it's important for its other branches. The Master series is still overpriced but at that time like around 2023-2024 we should easily expect Sony to have an alpha camera with 8K videography, Xperia 8K screen (overkill) and 8K video, and 8K TV's getting much more mid-ranged.

As an owner of a 4K HDR 65” Z9D(ZD9 here in the uk), that and the new 8K HDR 84” Z9G/ZG9 are the only Sony TV ranges(2 sizes, 2 prices of D and G) AFAIK with the Master backlight drive technology - despite the intentionally confusing Master series moniker for other lesser Sony models – and I would say even at £14k it is probably worth every penny, if my experience with my ZD9 is anything to go by. However, buying one would required a 60% price drop and my kids to abandon DVD. The scaling off SD is brilliant even at 65”, but it is right at the lower limit of usable bit-rate for such a great screen. Moving to 84” and 8K is going to need Deep Learning AI to scale that content and still be watchable (IMHO). This leads me to believe that 8K screens at this size (from all manufacturers) are going to need 1080i source material at the minimum to be passable, making me think 8K will be niche until Netflix, Prime Video, etc make it a thing – which they have no reason to, when 4K HDR on +£1000 8K sets (in the near future) will scale PQ so well and 8K streaming would quadruple their streaming bandwidth needs using H.265.

I would speculate that gaming and TV are going to be targeting 4K HDR for some time, and these new console may even target lower in the transistion to RT.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I doubt next gen Pro consoles will offer native 8K, they will likely upscale through AI and to upscaled 8K/60 and maybe 4K/120 native.

I believe they can do 8K early on with some trickery, let's call it "Dynamic 8K" as 4K@90fps translates as 8K/22.5fps. Mid gen probably gonna see some native 8K/30fps and some "Dynamic" 8K/60fps. Sony would benefit a lot from that marketing as it's one of the TV top sellers.

 

[Reindeer]

Yeah he believes VFX even though VFX has been pushing the 9 and 10 TF agenda for both consoles and he even claimed that XSX is a 10 TF only to be proven wrong.

And now.......Sony has 2 consoles and will have 2 other consoles later

I think Blue is just protecting himself in case he's wrong by going with 2 console approach for Sony. I'll give him credit though, he stuck by 12 tflops RDNA2 for a while now, but he doesn't seem to know anything about PS5. The guy is a major Microsoft fanboy and can't be taken seriously when it comes to most of this stuff.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

BTW some of you are not quite grasping what smart delivery is. It means that you will get the correct version of the game no matter what console you are on, with a single copy of the game.

A lot of you are comparing this to pro and x releases, but that’s not quite right. A more appropriate analogy would be Forza Horizon 2, as that was actually two totally different engines and games, by two totally different teams, for two totally different systems.

So while yes it will cover things like Bc and FC, it will also help with unique skus for each console.

Lol nah

It's an enhanced patch with extra good PR sprinkled on top

I guarantee come next gen, you'll be able to transfer your files over, and all you'll do is download a patch. Not an entirely different game

 

[Bo_Hazem]

As an owner of a 4K HDR 65” Z9D(ZD9 here in the uk), that and the new 8K HDR 84” Z9G/ZG9 are the only Sony TV ranges(2 sizes, 2 prices of D and G) AFAIK with the Master backlight drive technology - despite the intentionally confusing Master series moniker for other lesser Sony models – and I would say even at £14k it is probably worth every penny, if my experience with my ZD9 is anything to go by. However, buying one would required a 60% price drop and my kids to abandon DVD. The scaling off SD is brilliant even at 65”, but it is right at the lower limit of usable bit-rate for such a great screen. Moving to 84” and 8K is going to need Deep Learning AI to scale that content and still be watchable (IMHO). This leads me to believe that 8K screens at this size (from all manufacturers) are going to need 1080i source material at the minimum to be passable, making me think 8K will be niche until Netflix, Prime Video, etc make it a thing – which they have no reason to, when 4K HDR on +£1000 8K sets (in the near future) will scale PQ so well and 8K streaming would quadruple their streaming bandwidth needs using H.265.

I would speculate that gaming and TV are going to be targeting 4K HDR for some time, and these new console may even target lower in the transistion to RT.

Thanks a lot for the details review, mate. I would consider Sony's XH90 4K 65" now, probably wait for 2023-2024 for microLED's, perfect TV's possible. I would be happy with 4K, it's quite a jump from the lagging industry that stuck with 1080p for an insanely long time.

 

[Reindeer]

I believe they can do 8K early on with some trickery, let's call it "Dynamic 8K" as 4K@90fps translates as 8K/22.5fps. Mid gen probably gonna see some native 8K/30fps and some "Dynamic" 8K/60fps. Sony would benefit a lot from that marketing as it's one of the TV top sellers.

Maybe they'll do native 8K30, but at that point AI upscaling will probably be so good that there'll be no reason to do native resolution anymore. I think AI upscaling makes way more sense going forward because it would allow devs to incorporate ray tracing and other effects without too much hit on performance. Ray tracing at 8K native will absolutely destroy performance. Microsoft is already heavily investing in AI upscaling and some of their studios have already been experimenting with it for a while.

 

[Felessan]

Virus is seriously slowing down now, it's gone from few thousand cases a day to less than 500.

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It slowing down only in China, and China did extraordinary means to supress it.

They just taking precautions. Less than 400 cases is no cause for panic.

It's actually very bad. As we see a picture with 2 weeks delay, and given that northern Italy is a hot tourist spot, there potentially a lot of sleeping agents that spread virus everyone.

And 2 weeks really a lot of time. You miss zero patient and thinks everything is ok.
Then you suddenly finds yourself in hot spot where a lot of your cities alreasy infected and you already actively exporting it to other countries (see Iran case).
Another problem that it's too similar to usual cold/flu, so there are a large number of cases when local doctors treat it as usual and leave patients roaming around, spreading the disease.

 

[Clintizzle]

Ok hear me out.

Microsoft partners with Valve.

Xbox Series X come with Steam pre-installed.

Valve VR Hardware. Xbox Compatible.

Day. One.

Then I wake up.

Wake up, Chief.

 

[Reindeer]

It slowing down only in China, and China did extraordinary means to supress it.


It's actually very bad. As we see a picture with 2 weeks delay, and given that northern Italy is a hot tourist spot, there potentially a lot of sleeping agents that spread virus everyone.

And 2 weeks really a lot of time. You miss zero patient and thinks everything is ok.
Then you suddenly finds yourself in hot spot where a lot of your cities alreasy infected and you already actively exporting it to other countries (see Iran case).
Another problem that it's too similar to usual cold/flu, so there are a large number of cases when local doctors treat it as usual and leave patients roaming around, spreading the disease.

If the virus is slowing down so rapidly in China then it shouldn't spread to other regions. The numbers for regions outside of Asia is still miniscule compared to Asia.

 

[MilkyJoe]

2023-2024 would be the perfect time for 8K and microLED, but as said before, if you have an 8K TV priced very closely to a 4K TV, why not? I'm personally thinking more 4K with HDMI 2.1 but if we get TCL 8K around here (most what we get is low budget TCL's, no high-end's) then might get that instead. Nearly spoiled around $3900 on Samsung Q900R 65", the lack of Dolby Vision made me reconsider and probably wait until next black Friday or early 2021 with 2020 lineup clearance.

My next one is going to be a 4k with all the bells and whistles, probably a Samsung Q90R

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Lol nah

It's an enhanced patch with extra good PR sprinkled on top

I guarantee come next gen, you'll be able to transfer your files over, and all you'll do is download a patch. Not an entirely different game

Fact of the matter is, it’s not. For the most part it will be, but the main worry, those first party titles? It will be a lot more.

The whole point of making a fuss about it is because people were scared about the whole “works on old Xboxes” line. If you look at the info drop from the other day, pretty much everything was said to combat rumour. Games on old hardware, tf count, rdna etc... it was all just telling people to chillax.

 

[Night.Ninja]

I think the PS5 Git hub leak was real, it just didn't have sony custom RT. I highly doubt it will be 9TF with their custom RT.

 

[Kusarigama]

this blue guy has some mental health issues. it is apparent

it replies to posts from here and resetera on its twitter. How crazy is that. Who is even listening to the rants of this person. And even more crazier thing, people share its posts here.

 

[Mendou]

Ok hear me out.

Microsoft partners with Valve.

Xbox Series X come with Steam pre-installed.

Valve VR Hardware. Xbox Compatible.

Day. One.

Then I wake up.

Wake up, Chief.

People would begin to stop buying their games on Xbox and begin buying their games on Steam during the steam sales. Developers would also stop developing Xbox games considering a significant drop in sales for them. It's not as an idea good as you think. It would literally stop being a console at that point.

They already have their Windows Surface laptops, maybe in the future they could make an Xbox-inspired gaming PC to satisfy your needs.