TBiddy
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That’s what I JUST saidwere you talking to me, mista?
No, I was talking to the guy I quoted.
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No, I was talking to the guy I quoted.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
You didn’t quote anybody in that post? But no worries chief, game on!
HawarMiran
Banned
I like that you call this person "it" haha
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Doubt
They're going to keep the process streamlined. We're not getting anymore cases like Forza Horizon 2. We have backwards compatibility now.
MilkyJoe
Member
IT would be amazing to have acess to my old pc games on this
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
You’re thinking about it all wrong. The BC stuff works when you don’t have a future system to sell or a higher end product to use.
Do you really think they will make games for the Xbox one and port up? Honestly? That’s what they did for Xbox one x, and it was fine there because it wasn’t classed as a new generation.
My friend at *redacted fp studio* has mentioned they are making their game for the SX, and then another part of the studio is essentially making a different version for the older hardware. That’s two separate games tailored to two machines, but same sku. Same as Forza Horizon 2. Of course his studio may be having an easier time, it’s easier to do this sort of thing without realistic real life looking assets. From what I can gather though this is the norm to leverage the higher spec of the machine.
Can you imagine the uproar if these games were Xbox one games that simply ran in 4k/60 with a few basic changes? It wouldn’t make sense.
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Hawking Radiation
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Any other 'insiders' here wanna flap their gums will be put on my ignore list. Tired of sifting through crap in this thread.
TBiddy
Member
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Yup!
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
God what is with this place and using your fake insider knowledge to back up this garbage?
Yes, the games are fundamentally going to be held back by the One, hence why they're doing to drop it 1 or 2 years down the line. No, it's not going to be as simple as making it for the One and scaling up and they're done. There are plenty of ways they can take advantage of the Series X without wasting resources designing a second version.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Fake...? Ok? that’s up to you mate. I would say I’ve provided a lot of info that can easily be debunked, even more so when the time comes. Hell, I’ve even said a lot of stuff beforehand that came to pass, but I honestly don’t care. Anybody can say anything, any time. At least I have the development credentials to back up my knowledge on the subject, and while I’m not verified here, I am on era. It doesn’t really matter, as i said, anybody can say anything at any time... It’s not like I’ve said a pro version of the ps5 is launching
But I’ve been a developer for nearly 20 years, so I at least have a few things stored up here average Joe fanboy doesn’t. So, again, chillax sweetie.But if you honestly think the SX won’t have flag ship games that take advantage of the system in massive ways that just aren’t possible on the older console, while still releasing a version for the older console, then... ok, I guess?
I can’t change your mind what you think really, that’s up to you, but use a little common sense. PS4 games are already out classing Xbox one by a large margin in visuals. There is no way MS would allow a 12tf machine to be outclassed by the PS4 visuals wise. Things like TLOU2 if ran in 4k 60, while the environments are a little muddy, would stay pass as a next gen launch game.
So use your noggin. This is why it’s such a big deal, for them and for us.
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DrDamn
Member
A more appropriate analogy would be cross-buy
It's great MS is doing this for first party stuff. Gives people confidence that titles they buy before upgrading to XSX are going to automatically entitle them to the native upgrades. Need Sony to confirm something similar.
BGs
Industry Professional
Bypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...
I think that the talent is more important than TF.
Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.
pasterpl
Member
Horrible scenario. Had PSVR (sold it, as I didn't like it) and now I have HTC Vive Pro which I barely use. VR IMO. is a gimmick, something nice to have but it is and will be, at least for foreseeable future only a gimmick
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Double digits is from 10-99. What's the problem? He strictly said double digits and Navi TFLOPS. He was right on that.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Bypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...
Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.
Now imagine the next GTA with SSD and powerful CPU...
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Jury is out on what Sony are doing, but I would imagine the same kind of thing. They will have PS5 exclusives, because that’s their bag, it’s their bread and butter. But they will also have cross gen games that are on both systems, as it’s always been. That much is likely true.
But who knows if they will allow a single sku to work on both systems, one with upgrades. I’m sure that it will work like a Pro in that you will get a few basic things like AF, higher fps, higher resolution, but this would be part of the backwards compatibility programme anyway. As for playing PS5 games on 4 though, I doubt it...not unless, as I said, there are cross gen releases, but that’s two hard solid
SKUs, as it’s been done forever?
But who knows if they will allow a single sku to work on both systems, one with upgrades. I’m sure that it will work like a Pro in that you will get a few basic things like AF, higher fps, higher resolution, but this would be part of the backwards compatibility programme anyway. As for playing PS5 games on 4 though, I doubt it...not unless, as I said, there are cross gen releases, but that’s two hard solid
SKUs, as it’s been done forever?
MrJekyll16
Neo Member
Bypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...
Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.
Gran Turismo 7 VR is going to be beyond amazing I bet.
Agnostic2020
Member
What the Fuck happened here ?
Just quote my self about insiders and their status on next gen from before .Pay attention to vfx part . He proved it yet again today .
www.neogaf.com
For vfx I wrote :
vfx (changes his view nonstop he said both are 1080 level but he keeps changing as soon as a news come up so disregard him )
He just proved my assessment yet again . Ps5 and ps5 pro . They both launch at the same time . I don’t know when they launch . They can’t be near 2080 super (maaah pc master race threatened)
. Price issues . Not launching soon lol
the whole point : he fucking dread consoles being close to his precious pc while being cheaper lol
Just quote my self about insiders and their status on next gen from before .Pay attention to vfx part . He proved it yet again today .
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
@o'dium it's tiring, isn't it? You know that the vitriol from both sides will never stop.
For vfx I wrote :
vfx (changes his view nonstop he said both are 1080 level but he keeps changing as soon as a news come up so disregard him )
He just proved my assessment yet again . Ps5 and ps5 pro . They both launch at the same time . I don’t know when they launch . They can’t be near 2080 super (maaah pc master race threatened)
. Price issues . Not launching soon lol the whole point : he fucking dread consoles being close to his precious pc while being cheaper lol
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Remember in the very old gta days, hell even gta5 on 360... you would be driving along, then suddenly your car would just smash to pieces. you would watch in horror as a small metal pole loaded slowly into the frame...
I’m going to miss all that
mitchman
Gold Member
And yet this Harvard professor believes upto 40% of the population will be infected: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
Burrito Bandito
Banned
well when games today are making more money AFTER the consumer buys the game, than the actual initial $60 purchase, it becomes a good strategy to get the game in as many hands as possible.
We wont be looking at MS 1st party games in terms in sales but rather in user population. It seems more lucrative these days to have Sea of Thieves at the fingertips of 30 million people (made up figure for gamepass customers) @$1, $5, or $10 a month than it is to sell a million copies @$60 and only ever have that many people with access.
Halo 5, for example, made way more money from in-game purchases than it did from $60 sales. So Halo 6 being on gamepass only increases the amount of people that have access to its in-game market. Its a good move for everyone.
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Burrito Bandito
Banned
harvard professors have been predicting global warming will end the world in 10 years since the 60’s and also predicted an American great depression if trump were elected. so ill take that with a grain of salt.
LED Guy?
Banned
Oh my! I see you have put PS5's TF numbers as double digits (xx.x TF)......looks like you are hinting at somethingBypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...
Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.
I think It'll be 12 TFs in RDNA 2.0.
saintjules
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
BGs
also had Ian lick his lips ONCE, but put TWO pictures. One and Two... that’s....2.1tf! OMG!
It’s only a matter of time before Sony come out, but would they announce it on their German twitter of all places...? Not so sure. They have done a few of these teases in the past that were essentially about other things.
I do hope so, just so the air can be cleared for everybody. But something tells me even when they do, there will still more more questions than answers.
This shits getting like an episode of Lost. I just hope the ending is decent this time.
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CyberPanda
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pasterpl
Member
More like 1 + 2 = 3
8)
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
12-3 is....
Oh shit let’s goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooitsnotfuckingnine.
Oh shit let’s goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooitsnotfuckingnine.
Hypnosekroete
Member
Its just ps plus games.
Would buy a Ps5 Pro at Launch for 1000eu if it got enough power.
Agnostic2020
Member
Xx.x TF is 12.6 tf ? Or 12.4 tf ?Bypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...
Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.
FeiRR
Banned
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
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Jaxx_377
Neo Member
Probably just going to announce march Plus games, they are just fucking with us now.
Jaxx_377
Neo Member
So 9 it is , Thanks!
HawarMiran
Banned
I guess something else haha
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D-Dude
Member
I'm dutch, but speak German.. It translates to something like this
" you know what we are going to tell/spoil AGAIN today, don't you?"
So, my guess is PS Plus games.
PaintTinJr
Member
I would agree with your point if it wasn’t for them being the market leader mainly through money made by having a larger install base. Too high a price begins to reduce their potential install base, the rate of hardware sales in the medium to long term making all their first party development high risk investments.
Even though I don’t subscribe to the idea of two versions of PS5 and still hope for multi APUs (like a micro RT render farm, but know in my heart it is wishful thinking
), I do think they need both price/performance options for the reasons you make, and the V-shaped, or rather triangle shaped devkit and patent has me intrigued to wonder if it could be a scalable base unit with a 9TF APU (as the baseline PS5 with B/C and targeting 1080p30 RT) at the bottom of the V, with the tops of the V creating a trifecta for two pluggable RT chips. The first RT chip being to add 4K30 RT support - available as a £250 upgrade at launch - and the third RT chip intended to support 8K30 RT - released at the mid-gen refresh as another £250 option.A dream scenario like that would make everyone happy (IMHO), subsidised PS5 at £399, PS5 4K at £650, and a mid-gen refresh at £650 or £250 depending on if getting a PS5 Slim 8K or upgrading PS5 to 8K. It might sound very complex for developers, but RT will be node based like a render farm in all likelihood, so scaling up by RT units should be quite simple. It would also allow Sony to price the PS5 in response to XsX or XsS, as they know early adopters will mostly clamour for the best option, and so could charge more for the 4K30 RT upgrade chip at launch to offset the base unit losses.
geordiemp
Member
So early in Ps4 the claim made by Sony was that 33 % of Ps4 sales were from buyers who did not have a Ps3 and came from either 360 or Nintendo.
They probably came becasue Ps4 was a relatively powerful console for multiplats achiving 1080p more often than not. MS also know this, and want to tempt those buyers back to MS.
And then there are the Ps4 pro buyers who want a higher end console, I am one, who are happy with $ 600-700 and want high specs - maybe 20 % or whatever it is. Those Pro buyers probably have a higher attach rate.
I would be surprised if Sony tried to make a console that fitted the needs of the cost concious and the users who want more high end consoles., a base and pro model makes so much sense.
And it annoys me if Sony say wait a few years for the Pro, especially when it could easily be done in 2020. Sony need to cater to both audiences, low cost for volume but high specs for the customers who demand it.
Sony will also know for over a year what MS is doing, its been pretty clear. I doubt Sony are totally stupid., there is a place for a $400 and a $650 console with right specs.
They probably came becasue Ps4 was a relatively powerful console for multiplats achiving 1080p more often than not. MS also know this, and want to tempt those buyers back to MS.
And then there are the Ps4 pro buyers who want a higher end console, I am one, who are happy with $ 600-700 and want high specs - maybe 20 % or whatever it is. Those Pro buyers probably have a higher attach rate.
I would be surprised if Sony tried to make a console that fitted the needs of the cost concious and the users who want more high end consoles., a base and pro model makes so much sense.
And it annoys me if Sony say wait a few years for the Pro, especially when it could easily be done in 2020. Sony need to cater to both audiences, low cost for volume but high specs for the customers who demand it.
Sony will also know for over a year what MS is doing, its been pretty clear. I doubt Sony are totally stupid., there is a place for a $400 and a $650 console with right specs.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'm sorry but if Sony had low Spec machine they wouldn't be just silent about it and not announce anything.
The longer they leave it the worse it would be to win mindshare with a lower spec machine.
There would be no point.
Unless
A) they changed/upgraded the PS5 (which would be impossible at this stage)
B) Sony are confident in the PS5 because the spec's, games, and features match and surpass the XSX they can afford MS to have the limelight
The longer they leave it the worse it would be to win mindshare with a lower spec machine.
There would be no point.
Unless
A) they changed/upgraded the PS5 (which would be impossible at this stage)
B) Sony are confident in the PS5 because the spec's, games, and features match and surpass the XSX they can afford MS to have the limelight
DJ12
Member
Troll level cap exceeded.
Well played playstation Germany Twitter guy.
That gif though is clearly indicating to keep quiet not that its something else.
We are in the end game now boys. This thread about to die on its arse!!! (Or be renamed let's argue of the bits that were left vague lol)
Nickolaidas
Member
The Corona virus appeared in Greece. We just had our first incident in Thessaloniki.
Hooboy.
Hooboy.
geordiemp
Member
Or Maybe they have a 9 TF machine with very powerfull hardware ray tracing (say POwerVR on the AMD silicon) which outperforms a 12 TF machine when ray tracing a game.
To show the benefit of that approach Sony would need to show a multiplat with ray tracing and say it runs better on Ps5 and TF is not everything. They could not do that with a tweet.
Just my rambling thoughts, I also doubt Sony have spent last year just sticking with the older 40 CU and not adpoted any of AMDs recent technology which would have been roadmapped for years now.
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mitchman
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[citation needed]
Neo Blaster
Member
And then you kill the main advantage consoles have over PCs, uniformity. We've already seen how mid-gen updates couldn't be properly exploited, now you want to make this situation worse?
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Everybody in here drooling at ray tracing this, terra floppy that... I’m just thinking about the boobie physics in Dead or Alive 7...
farmerboy
Member
2.1tf! OMG!
It’s only a matter of time before Sony come out, but would they announce it on their German twitter of all places...? Not so sure. They have done a few of these teases in the past that were essentially about other things.
I do hope so, just so the air can be cleared for everybody. But something tells me even when they do, there will still more more questions than answers.
This shits getting like an episode of Lost. I just hope the ending is decent this time.
Off topic, but I fucking loved Lost.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Lost was like an unlucky relationship. It started off amazing, and the questions were fantastic. What’s in the hatch, what is that smoke monster, what the hell are these things all about!? Then a few seasons in you can’t ignore the flappy vagina and annoying habits.
Great Hair
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