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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
You can get fucked if your going to talk to me in this toxic and negative tone, you are clearly some stupid child, because in the "grown up" world people don't talk to people in the way you just did.
Get some help. He called you delusional because you are clearly making up an alternate reality and refused to provide examples when asked.

You told him to get fucked and a stupid fucking child. It's pretty clear to everyone who is being toxic and negative.
 

nikolino840

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No, this is just one possible scenario, based on insiders like Klee, Osirisblack, Tommy knockers etc
I would like to see if it's before or after the Spencer's quote about "the double Xbox One X" and the firsts 12tf rumors
.of course ps5 can be 13tf
But there's leaks even for 10tf
 

TLZ

Banned
just made a quick test and ds4 triggers are much louder than xbone game pad
What about the bumpers? Those things are crazy loud. Also my wife never complained at night whenever I used the DS4. Only with the Xbone's. She's even begged to use something on them to lower the noise somehow, but I told her I can't do anything about it.

Anyway, that's one thing I'd like them to sort out. Just make them silent or less noisy for a good quiet night gaming session. Apart from my suppressed rants at the game of course :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Thanks! This is interesting as we're trying to think of such things - what makes sense to cover next-gen? We're looking at new ways to handle resolution as well - in a more visual way. Maybe latency is something too? We'll see what is possible but loading makes sense. I assume everything will be very fast, though, if they're using such fast storage.
Did you by any chance watch ign's new video series for next gen? They had several devs named and anonymous talk about the possibilities of next gen.

Do you think DF directs could incorporate some of that? You guys have been in the dark about a lot of the next gen spec leaks. Have you spoken to any of your dev sources about this whole github and the recent rdna 2.0 developments?
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
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We just found the reason why r600 committed seppuku.
 

Sosokrates

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Get some help. He called you delusional because you are clearly making up an alternate reality and refused to provide examples when asked.

You told him to get fucked and a stupid fucking child. It's pretty clear to everyone who is being toxic and negative.

What alternate reality that im making are you referring to?
You are aware this is a speculation thread.

And im sorry but the prior post about hiding your strategy was a joke.
 

LED Guy?

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Oh wow, now the GitHub extremists are saying that Oberon being Navi 10 Lite is just a "bad assumption" and that it is RDNA 2 all along but we didn't know about it.

WTF is wrong with these Xbox fanboys, I was just reading this shit on REEEE, It's absolutely beyond me, they really want PS5 to be a 9.2 TF and that possibility is not going to happen.
 

Neo Blaster

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If it ends up like

PS5
$499
13TF RDNA2
16GB RAM
8CORE ZEN2 3.2GHZ
1TB SSD 5GB/S

XSX
$499
12TF RDNA2
16GB RAM
8 CORE ZEN2 3.2GHZ
1TB SSD 4GB/S

LOCKHART
$299
4.6TF RDNA2
12GB RAM
8 CORE ZEN2 2.8GHZ
1TB SSD 4GB/S

Then Sony will be putting themselves at a major price disadvantage, anyone who disagrees with this has to be pretty delusional.
Good luck to MS trying to reach that price for Lockart with those specs.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
which strangely enough only became a thing after the 12TF announcement from Microsoft.
before that most people said both are 10TF at best.
weird how that changed now where 12TF, the number that was ludicrously high before is now the baseline.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Nope. Stop with the revisionist history. You have been corrected numerous times in this thread. PS fans were the ones hoping for a double digit tflops count and not just 10.1-10.2 since klee specifically shut those down.

Jason had said higher than 10.7 way back in March and only team Xbox who curiously shared a lot of users with team thermals were the ones who questioned him. Same goes with klee. 12 was never this insanely high number.

In fact when the oberon leak first came out in July, the ps5 was speculated at 14 tflops in both threads. It was team thermals who made fun of and mocked and straight up harassed anyone who dared to go double digits let alone 13-14 tflops.

Its all in this thread. Go back and read r600's posts here before the game awards reveal. 12 tflops was not a surprise to any Sony fan here.
 

01011001

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2GHz is high no matter what architecture we are talking about. If the power efficiency was into play and Oberon was RDNA 2, it would have a lower clock, not just the same.

uhm, power efficiency means that a chip draws less power and therefore produces less heat at the same specs.

meaning a 2ghz RDNA2 chip will need less power and run cooler than a 2ghz RDNA1 chip.
this makes the GitHub specs seem less ridiculous than beforehand where the 2ghz seemed like a stress test scenario.
 

Sosokrates

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He wasn't the one cursing.

True. I apologise for swearing.

I still think his post to me is just argumentative and brings nothing to the discussions, I have very little respect for people who just post some insults and have no actual counter arguments, it shows they probably have no intention of actually having a discussion.
 
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Bogroll

Likes moldy games
I think we should get over this since it was already established here and on other forms that a 40 CU 2GHz GPU (Navi-RDNA1) doesn't make any sense.

I mean looking back at how the PS4 devkit developed, we can clearly see how the CPU for instance changed drastically, and memory configuration too. Also the leak from github was for testing purposes and this was clear, testing for what? We dont know.

At any rate we should not get ourselves too much into this thin thread of a leak given that consoles are planned ahead of time and by this point the specs are locked.

If we go by the number of leakers/insiders though, most of them have already denied the github leak being as accurate as we thought for the PS5
I'm no tech head and I'm not saying its RDNA1, but is it not possible it could be RDNA2 and still be a few tf down on XSX, and the virus is a perfect excuse to delay the Ps5. It shouldn't have stopped Sony announcing the specs as if it were delayed due to the virus I'm sure everyone will be understanding.
 

Neo Blaster

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uhm, power efficiency means that a chip draws less power and therefore produces less heat at the same specs.

meaning a 2ghz RDNA2 chip will need less power and run cooler than a 2ghz RDNA1 chip.
this makes the GitHub specs seem less ridiculous than beforehand where the 2ghz seemed like a stress test scenario.
Indeed, you're right about power consumption, I misinterpreted power per watt for power efficiency. But what about Oberon being Navi 10? Now they are going to say rogame got it wrong and it was actually Navi 2X? Moving goalposts to suit the narrative?
 
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THE:MILKMAN

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which strangely enough only became a thing after the 12TF announcement from Microsoft.
before that most people said both are 10TF at best.
weird how that changed now where 12TF, the number that was ludicrously high before is now the baseline.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Not how I remember things.

The reason the figures evolved over time was all we had was the 5700 XT at 9.75TF for 225W TBP to base things on which would already push console power/thermals. Then we got insiders seemingly in agreement both were >10TF, then we got 12TF rumours for months before Xbox confirmed 12TF but more significantly RDNA 2 that then led to the confirmation of 50% perf/watt improvement.

For me there had been some contradictory info that I couldn't reconcile completely until the AMD financial day confirmation of RDNA 2 and 50% improvement in Perf/watt.

Most everything then fell into place for me.

I personally would've been happy with 9TF RDNA 2 as my upper expectation from the start was 12TF GCN.
 

kareemna

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I'm no tech head and I'm not saying its RDNA1, but is it not possible it could be RDNA2 and still be a few tf down on XSX, and the virus is a perfect excuse to delay the Ps5. It shouldn't have stopped Sony announcing the specs as if it were delayed due to the virus I'm sure everyone will be understanding.

It was previously contested which RDNA version does the PS5 incorporate until the AMD financial Analysts Day. The Virus does not delay the reveal of the specs but definitely the reveal event, if it was planned.

The tested specs on github are for RDNA1 as this was mid 2019.
 
which strangely enough only became a thing after the 12TF announcement from Microsoft.
before that most people said both are 10TF at best.
weird how that changed now where 12TF, the number that was ludicrously high before is now the baseline.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

The number is higher because some of the insiders said PS5 is stronger and that was before we knew numbers.
A lot of people who said 10TF at best was not looking at certain factors.
For eg consoles could be more expensive this gen or AMD would get there act together etc etc .
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Oh wow, now the GitHub extremists are saying that Oberon being Navi 10 Lite is just a "bad assumption" and that it is RDNA 2 all along but we didn't know about it.

WTF is wrong with these Xbox fanboys, I was just reading this shit on REEEE, It's absolutely beyond me, they really want PS5 to be a 9.2 TF and that possibility is not going to happen.
They are in the denial stage. See how they refused to take up any bets from anti github users. Not a single user.

Deep down they don't believe it themselves but its their last stand. If they admit github was false or outdated info then they have to admit klee, colin and Andrew Reiner were all right about ps5 being more powerful.
 

scie

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Sony from 2013 lost ground with ps3. Ps4 nearly finished Xbox. Xbox as a brand will be irrelevant when sony release the ps5 information. It will be the last console war imo and sony will only have nintendo to finish off at the end of the generation. Nintendo will then make games exclusively for ps6 and mobile.

I don´t know if that is the best thing for us the consumers. Like look at the CPU market. We had Intel quad cores for generations and received maybe 5-10% in spec bumbs every year. Finally AMD caught up and now within like 3 years we have 8, 10, 12, 16 core CPUs with reasonable prices for consumers. Same shit with GPUs. Nvidias upgrades were like ~20-25% every generation. Now we know AMD Big Navi GPUs will hit the market "soon" and will be a blast and now what? There are rumors Nvidia is ramping up its game with Ampere by being ~40% better than previous generation. EDIT: Same thing for prices...

If you are a company with no compatition, you will only provide what you have to and not what you can do! Therefore I am glad that there is some compatition in the console market and hope that it will stay for a long time!
 
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Bogroll

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It was previously contested which RDNA version does the PS5 incorporate until the AMD financial Analysts Day. The Virus does not delay the reveal of the specs but definitely the reveal event, if it was planned.

The tested specs on github are for RDNA1 as this was mid 2019.
Yes I know that but I haven't mentioned github, just that it could have been quite a bit lower than XSX.
All just a conspiracy of course.
 

LED Guy?

Banned
They are in the denial stage. See how they refused to take up any bets from anti github users. Not a single user.

Deep down they don't believe it themselves but its their last stand. If they admit github was false or outdated info then they have to admit klee, colin and Andrew Reiner were all right about ps5 being more powerful.
Facts! Straight up facts! I mean if they admit now then the blow will be way softer than after when Sony confirms the specs and it turning out to be as powerful as XSX or even more, they're doing a disservice to themselves.

The thing that makes all this funny is even after very respected journalists and insiders with outstanding track records, get dismissed all because of outdated and out of context leak which has fallen apart especially after AMD's confirmation of both consoles using RDNA 2.
 
They are in the denial stage. See how they refused to take up any bets from anti github users. Not a single user.

Deep down they don't believe it themselves but its their last stand. If they admit github was false or outdated info then they have to admit klee, colin and Andrew Reiner were all right about ps5 being more powerful.
Such harsh times, war... war never changes.
What a load of bullshits lol all for a number.
 
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kareemna

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Yes I know that but I haven't mentioned github, just that it could have been quite a bit lower than XSX.
All just a conspiracy of course.

Indeed! Basically all talk until they officially unveil the specs. Personally i dont care, I just enjoy discussing the specs and appreciate the hard work the manufacturers are investing into their respective consoles.
There is definitely some truth to all the leaks. Early in development for example it could be understandable that the PS5 was using a Vega GPU as the NAVI were not ready yet and this was an early devkit to get the developers rollin.
 

RookX22

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Increased Power efficiency =/= increased processing power it means same level of processing power with less electricity usage.
 
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FeiRR

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I got a reply from my friend at AMD. I asked him if Sony is using Vulkan API for RT. He said he's not directly involved with third-party customers but from what he can see, they're not, so they probably have their own solution. He cannot talk about custom hardware though. Draw conclusions for yourselves :).
 
And I find the idea of Sony "finishing off" Nintendo quite approximate.
Nintendo was the company who got Gameboy up to DS (huge success) while PS1 and PS2 were a thing. They already cohexisted with a monopoly, and they are doing this now: Switch is the fastest selling console probably and PS4 has monopoly. If they keep the pace, they will always be around. Nintendo IS videogames.
 
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Sosokrates

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> Calls people delusional

> Get called delusional

> Bitch about toxcity

Lol, typical misrepresentation.

Yes people are delusional if they don't agree about the Lockhart price advantage in the scenario I presented.

I was called delusional for no reason and directly, but it's same thing.......right...
 
I think the logic behind the calculations, at least what I take from it, is that a 12TF RDNA2 console(XSX) will punch a lot more above it's literal weight in graphical potency.

To have both systems be in the 11-13TF RDNA2 range punching like 18TF cards is wild, especially as developers learn to eek out all they can from the systems.
 
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