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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
The main 2 points why Sony would not cheap out on Ps5 unless they are insane.
bloomberg and zhuge both said the ps5 bom is around $450 and comparable to the xbox series x. thats $70 more than the ps4. if people think that sony invested the entire $70 in getting better ssd and cooling they are delusional. gpu is the main priority, everything else is ancillary.
 

01011001

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bloomberg and zhuge both said the ps5 bom is around $450 and comparable to the xbox series x. thats $70 more than the ps4. if people think that sony invested the entire $70 in getting better ssd and cooling they are delusional. gpu is the main priority, everything else is ancillary.

remember that the APU of the Xbox one was more expensive than the APU of the PS4

the price of the chip does not necessarily tell you how powerful it is in comparison to another chip.

it could be that Sony is using more die space for other stuff than CUs in which case the price couldn't be used for comparison of sheer TFLOP performance
 
its surprising how managed to completely miss the point of a two line sentence.

Sony will not get my money if i dont sub to their PS+ and play online games on PC.
Sony will not get my money if i dont buy third party games on their console from retail (10% cut) or PSN (30% cut).
Sony will not get my money if i dont buy their midgen upgrade.

You along with a bunch of other people are refusing to see it from a business point of view. this isnt just about HZD. yes, Sony will get my money if i buy it from valve. This is about what this means for their console business. Will people continue to buy PS consoles, invest in PS+ and be part of the PS ecosystem when PCs can offer the same experience only better?

Andrew House said the main reason why he made the Pro was to make sure console gamers didnt upgrade to PC. So he agrees with me that PC is a potential rival platform. Sony agreed with my assessment that its a stupid idea to let people go out of your eco system. i have no idea whats so controversial about this. Exclusives used to be the only thing that kept people in their eco system, and now they no longer have that.

Exclusives make up roughly 10% of the overall PS4 library. The fact that this pushed you to get a gaming PC (just one game out of the 10%), not the other 90% is suspect to say the least. Anyone that saw the appeal of a future 25tflop PC or gaming in 60fps would have transitioned a long time ago.

"Wouldn't it be really nice to play almost my whole gaming library with better hardware all in 60fps with free online? No, I can't! What about the exclusive that make up the fraction of my gaming library! I guess I'll continue to exclusively game in 30fps and pay for PS+ even though a PS4 is 1/4 of top end gaming PC and I can easily afford both and enjoy the best of both worlds"

Said no one ever.
 
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ethomaz

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I haven’t had any experience with Colbert? Is he a Twitter guy or something? I’ve spoke with Timdog before, and while yes his passion can get in the way a bit at times, he’s a decent bloke.

I’m in the business of facts, i don’t deal in fan wars. I like both.

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I like both too... food and sex.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I don’t “get” the whole wanting another side to fail. I’ll again use the old football example but if a football fan wanted every other team to fail... where would the competition, the fun be?

Do you all know why the PS4 is the success it is today? It’s because the 360 was a worthy competitor. If the 360 wasn’t what it was (and yes, to some degree the ps3 wasn’t as shit as it was with its cell) the PS4 wouldn’t be as good as it is.

Competition is what drives the industry, it drives ingenuity and makes people want to improve.

To wish and hope for that to go away? You may as well put a bullet in your “system of choice”.
I don’t want every team fail as long as my Santos wins everything.

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It is human nature.
You can as to any Barcelona, Real Madrid, Liverpool fans... they will say the same.

Like Federer vs Nadal.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I didn’t miss anything, you are just being naive. If you think that Sony placing old games on PC is going to stop the hand over fist money they are making digitally right now, then this conversation is over.

Sony just recently had their highest quarter ever built off the back of digital sales and services. How is expanding that by allowing PC players to buy old games and play PS Now on PC affecting that? Your problem is that you think this some black or white, zero sum game where Sony is stacking the deck by not only appealing to the traditional console owners, but also going after the same people MS is courting with GamePass.

Also, not sure if you noticed, but Andrew House no longer works for Sony. His views no longer reflect the views of the current Sony leadership and was a viewpoint rooted back in 2016-2017. Times have changed. Your concern over Sony losing money to subscriptions and console sales are not valid. Sony will be fine.
im glad you brought up MS because this is the same thing that was said about MS exclusives showing up on PC. You can do a poll in this thread and ask how many people are willing to buy a series x now that every exclusive will come out on pc on day 1 and you will get your answer.

sony wont be launching games on PC day 1 but most people know from what happened with MS, that it is actually the end game. even if it isnt, people now will wait knowing exclusives will eventually come to PC.

Sony's highest quarter ever came because unlike MS they were a closed ecosystem. it's a classic case of a corporation chasing short term profits by completely misunderstanding what made them successful in the first place. I guess we will see if they continue to hit these numbers, but i just dont see it. i
 
Educated guess time:

PS5
-11.65 TF RDNA 2 GPU (52 CU’s, 1750 MHz)
-3.4 GHz Zen 2 CPU, similar to desktop w/ reduced L3 cache
-16GB GDDR6 (18Gbps, 256-bit, 576 GB/s) + 4GB DDR4 Ram
-5.5 GB/s SSD w/ direct access to APU
-Dedicated audio chip + Trueaudio Next
Edit: $499 (not $399, stupid fingers)

Don’t @ me.
 
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Exclusives make up roughly 10% of the overall PS4 library. The fact that this pushed you to get a gaming PC (just one game out of the 10%), not the other 90% is suspect to say the least. Anyone that saw the appeal of a future 25tflop PC or gaming in 60fps would have transitioned a long time ago.

"Wouldn't it be really nice to play almost my whole gaming library with better hardware all in 60fps with free online? No, I can't! What about the exclusive that make up the fraction of my gaming library! I guess I'll continue to exclusively game in 30fps and pay for PS+ even though a PS4 is 1/4 of top end gaming PC and I can easily afford both and enjoy the best of both worlds"

Said no one ever.
I think exclusives are like 0,0001% of the library.
But yeah, I think that the main selling point of a console are semplicity, specific features and price\power balance. Exclusives do not make you decide between consoles and PC IMHO, not for most people, they probably have a much bigger role in competition between two consoles like PS and Xbox, because they are much more comparable ecosistem with similar targets. Considering that Xbox already has exclusives on PC, Sony doing the same in a reasonable manner won't make a difference in my opinion. Especially because they are probably very confident in their teams compared to MS.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
remember that the APU of the Xbox one was more expensive than the APU of the PS4

the price of the chip does not necessarily tell you how powerful it is in comparison to another chip.

it could be that Sony is using more die space for other stuff than CUs in which case the price couldn't be used for comparison of sheer TFLOP performance
wait? what could they be using it for? ESRAM?

both GPUs are RDNA2.0. no one is stupid enough to waste die space on shit that will result in them having fewer tflops. Phil wont. Cerny wont.

Exclusives make up roughly 10% of the overall PS4 library. The fact that this pushed you to get a gaming PC (just one game out of the 10%), not the other 90% is suspect to say the least. Anyone that saw the appeal of a future 25tflop PC or gaming in 60fps would have transitioned a long time ago.

"Wouldn't it be really nice to play almost my whole gaming library with better hardware all in 60fps with free online? No, I can't! What about the exclusive that make up the fraction of my gaming library! I guess I'll continue to exclusively game in 30fps and pay for PS+ even though a PS4 is 1/4 of top end gaming PC and I can easily afford both and enjoy the best of both worlds"

Said no one ever.
I have no idea what you are saying here. I have read this several times. where did i say PS5 exclusives pushed me to get a PC? i have built a PC every gen for the past three gens to play console games at 60 fps. the only difference back then was that i HAD to own a Playstation to play their exclusives. now thats no longer the case so i no longer feel obligated to stay in their eco system. however, this time around, Sony relies on us spending money in their ecosystem more than ever. PS+ subs, DLCs, Microstransactions, Digital Store sales where they get 30% of the cut instead of the usual 10% and finally the midgen upgrades.

I dont know how many consumers like me will move to PC. i do know that the PS CEO was afraid i would do it just a few years ago and a built a brand new console just to keep me from going back to PC. it actually worked for a couple of years until i got sick of playing 30 fps games on the pro. So if the CEO was afraid, he must have seen numbers where a substantial number of people move every gen to PC. Enough to invest in R&D for a console.

at the end of the day, it might come down to 10% but those 10% of users are enthusiasts and day one adapters who spend a lot more than your 'traditional console gamer'. we have numbers from sony themselves, $1,700 vs $700. this is money sony is leaving on the table.
 

Moses85

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Sad but true!
Btw: My ex-girl is from Poland.

Dobranoc i śpij dobrze.😁

Passiert in Deutschland oft. Hättest du sie lieber behalten, ich habe den gleichen Fehler begangen 😂
Keine meiner deutschen Freundinnen konnte kochen, backen oder einen Haushalt führen.

I belive in Jason Schreier. He is the only Insider I trust in.
Sooony, bring it!!
 

Fun Fanboy

Banned
Educated guess time:

PS5
-11.65 TF RDNA 2 GPU (52 CU’s, 1750 MHz)
-3.4 GHz Zen 2 CPU, similar to desktop w/ reduced L3 cache
-16GB GDDR6 (18Gbps, 256-bit, 576 GB/s) + 4GB DDR4 Ram
-5.5 GB/s SSD w/ direct access to APU
-Dedicated audio chip + Trueaudio Next
-$399

Don’t @ me.
.35 under the X1X.

I am FINE with this! :p
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
14TF is not crazy talk. It's not as likely as 13TF, but it's still very possible. I would say anything past 15TF is very unlikely.
14 tflops with the configuration 56CU at 2.0 ghz would be a 150w gpu*. add 20-30w for the CPU. and you have a 180w chip you need to cool in a console form factor. but again, thats still only a 225w console. not the 350w console DF was predicting the series X to be.

72 CU with 1.55 ghz should produce far less heat and come in around 150w for the entire APU. but thats an expensive APU.

56CU at 1.85 ghz and 13 tflops is far more likely than the other two configurations. Klee said that he had the spec sheets and PS5 was higher than 12 tflops after Phil confirmed 12 tflops to gamespot in december. that points to 12-13 tflops.

*Going by the findings of DemonCleaner's simulating gonzalo tests and applying 50% and perf/w RDNA 2.0 savings.
 
im glad you brought up MS because this is the same thing that was said about MS exclusives showing up on PC. You can do a poll in this thread and ask how many people are willing to buy a series x now that every exclusive will come out on pc on day 1 and you will get your answer.

sony wont be launching games on PC day 1 but most people know from what happened with MS, that it is actually the end game. even if it isnt, people now will wait knowing exclusives will eventually come to PC.

Sony's highest quarter ever came because unlike MS they were a closed ecosystem. it's a classic case of a corporation chasing short term profits by completely misunderstanding what made them successful in the first place. I guess we will see if they continue to hit these numbers, but i just dont see it. i

So you are basically making assumptions. Herman Hulst literally just said that Sony is committed to sticking with the traditional console style of business that has gotten them this far, but don’t see the problem of letting those on PC get a taste as well. You are wringing your hands with no evidence to prove why you should be. PS Now has been on PC for months now, yet Sony continues to still print money which already invalidates your argument anyway. I’d be willing to bet real life money that Sony putting HZD on PC is not going to cause people to just abandon Playstation and build PC mega rigs. Like come on man, that’s ridiculous just thinking about it. It’s almost concern trolling at this point.
 
My official prediction.

AMD Ryzen 2 CPU at 3.2Ghz

AMD Navi RDNA2 at 14.2TF

24GB GDDR6 RAM
If SeX is 12, why are you betting on 14.2 tf PS5? Really, on what base of reasoning?
For the little understanding I have, this seems kind of magical for price, cooling and power consumption.
 
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Will people continue to buy PS consoles, invest in PS+ and be part of the PS ecosystem when PCs can offer the same experience only better?

Potentially offer the same experience. You guys are vastly overestimating how many PC gamers actually rock 2080TIs or Threadrippers, or even PCs with specs comparable to current mid-gen refreshes. The number total is quite low.

PC high-end gamer market might have some common shared points with console gaming market, but they're pretty widely different. In fact I'd actually consider them more different than they are similar, there just simply isn't that much crossover in their demographics (actually, it's probably better to say their demographics don't have that much incentive or reasons to crossover their reasoning in going high-end PC for some games and consoles for other games if in fact they happen to have both).

So Sony and MS can proclaim all they want how they made their mid-gen refreshes to keep players from fleeing to PCs but we all know at the end of the day what it was really about: more money. They made systems so relatively underpowered in 2013 compared to even mid-tier PC cards and chips of the time that they practically had no choice but to do mid-gen refreshes. But even then, they were never in any real danger of having an ecosystem collapse. Otherwise the Pro and X would be selling at way higher ratios relative their respective base consoles than they actually do.

Simply put, someone who wants a high-end gaming PC to play their games on, isn't even considering an XSX and very likely isn't considering a PS5, either. They're in their own space. And magnitudes more gamers just want to play on reasonably capable consoles because of the absolute convenience consoles bring over PC, even if it means they miss out on the pinnacle top of performance and control/flexibility/options PC gaming brings.

So to finish and summarize this day!

PS5 has 11.6 TFLOPPIES!!
16 GB of GDDR6!
Apparently PS5 whatever it is, is “Too fat and too thin” as @o’dium tricks and riddles fucked my brain up and it being 150 feet above and 1818262927 feet less and all that. 😂😂😂
512 Memory BW.

By the way thicc_girls_are_teh_best thicc_girls_are_teh_best your pictures whenever I look at them, I laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣

"Laugh", he said. Yeah, uh huh. Suuure :pie_smirking:
 
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Hostile_18

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Exclusives make up roughly 10% of the overall PS4 library. The fact that this pushed you to get a gaming PC (just one game out of the 10%), not the other 90% is suspect to say the least. Anyone that saw the appeal of a future 25tflop PC or gaming in 60fps would have transitioned a long time ago.

"Wouldn't it be really nice to play almost my whole gaming library with better hardware all in 60fps with free online? No, I can't! What about the exclusive that make up the fraction of my gaming library! I guess I'll continue to exclusively game in 30fps and pay for PS+ even though a PS4 is 1/4 of top end gaming PC and I can easily afford both and enjoy the best of both worlds"

Said no one ever.

Playing devils advocate a large part of me wanting to stay PS5 is Naughty Dog. All games arnt created equal after all ;)
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
So you are basically making assumptions. Herman Hulst literally just said that Sony is committed to sticking with the traditional console style of business that has gotten them this far, but don’t see the problem of letting those on PC get a taste as well. You are wringing your hands with no evidence to prove why you should be. PS Now has been on PC for months now, yet Sony continues to still print money which already invalidates your argument anyway. I’d be willing to bet real life money that Sony putting HZD on PC is not going to cause people to just abandon Playstation and build PC mega rigs. Like come on man, that’s ridiculous just thinking about it. It’s almost concern trolling at this point.
concern trolling? what is this era? ridiculous to even think differently? we must think like a hivemind and cant disagree with each other like normal human beings?

again, this is something thats long been argued back when MS decided to put PC exclusives and when Andrew House was afraid he might lose customers. This isnt some ridiculous theory, its been discussed to death before. you are making it sound like I am talking about faking the moon landings.

Lastly, and this has gone on for far too long now, but the very fact that PS exclusives, first party ones at that, are coming to PC means that they are no longer committed to traditional console business model. I have no idea whats so hard to understand about this.

Edit: Lol.

 
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JMB88

Neo Member
Are you not familiar with X1X?

That makes no sense. Of course, the X1X is more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

You have to be short-sighted not to see the context, if you launch a console 1 year later and it costs 100 usd more, the manufacturer has to be an idiot to make a product lower than the one already It is in the market.

The same with the narrative of the XB OG, if you launch a console 2 years later than the PS2, the same logic applies. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 
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Potentially offer the same experience. You guys are vastly overestimating how many PC gamers actually rock 2080TIs or Threadrippers, or even PCs with specs comparable to current mid-gen refreshes. The number total is quite low.

PC high-end gamer market might have some common shared points with console gaming market, but they're pretty widely different. In fact I'd actually consider them more different than they are similar, there just simply isn't that much crossover in their demographics (actually, it's probably better to say their demographics don't have that much incentive or reasons to crossover their reasoning in going high-end PC for some games and consoles for other games if in fact they happen to have both).

So Sony and MS can proclaim all they want how they made their mid-gen refreshes to keep players from fleeing to PCs but we all know at the end of the day what it was really about: more money. They made systems so relatively underpowered in 2013 compared to even mid-tier PC cards and chips of the time that they practically had no choice but to do mid-gen refreshes. But even then, they were never in any real danger of having an ecosystem collapse. Otherwise the Pro and X would be selling at way higher ratios relative their respective base consoles than they actually do.

Simply put, someone who wants a high-end gaming PC to play their games on, isn't even considering an XSX and very likely isn't considering a PS5, either. They're in their own space. And magnitudes more gamers just want to play on reasonably capable consoles because of the absolute convenience consoles bring over PC, even if it means they miss out on the pinnacle top of performance and control/flexibility/options PC gaming brings.



"Laugh", he said. Yeah, uh huh. Suuure :pie_smirking:
Basically you said what I already said so I agree with you, but I would agree anyway given that avatar.
Damn.
 
he didnt predict it. he saw the rumor and latched on to it.

and he already backpedaled on the pro within a few hours. he initially said a ps5 pro would launch with the ps5 and then came back and said it wont come until 2022. of course all the youtubers and websites conveniently ignored that part.
Exactly, some guys on this forum are giving him credit for "predicating" HZD and other Sony exclusives on the PC, when in fact, he's just taking advantage of rumors from others who are really right.
 

HawarMiran

Banned
concern trolling? what is this era? ridiculous to even think differently? we must think like a hivemind and cant disagree with each other like normal human beings?

again, this is something thats long been argued back when MS decided to put PC exclusives and when Andrew House was afraid he might lose customers. This isnt some ridiculous theory, its been discussed to death before. you are making it sound like I am talking about faking the moon landings.

Lastly, and this has gone on for far too long now, but the very fact that PS exclusives, first party ones at that, are coming to PC means that they are no longer committed to traditional console business model. I have no idea whats so hard to understand about this.

Edit: Lol.


consoles will essentially become what Valve tried with steam machines... Maybe I am just an old man yelling at clouds, but I don't want that :(
 

Batiman

Banned
That makes no sense. Of course, the X1X is more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

You have to be short-sighted not to see the context, if you launch a console 1 year later and it costs 100 usd more, the manufacturer has to be an idiot to make a product lower than the one already It is in the market.

The same with the narrative of the XB OG, if you launch a console 2 years later than the PS2, the same logic applies. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
I think your missing the point....

regardless of why it’s more powerful, the point still stands no?
 
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PS5 was supposed to be unveiled during the Tokyo Olympics opening ceremony to go along the video games theme of Japan's bid, but due to the coronavirus things are in a "bad position right now".

What if? dun dun dun dun
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
he didnt predict it. he saw the rumor and latched on to it.

There was nothing to latch on to. I asked a valid source after hearing the news and that person verified it as true along with other games.

and he already backpedaled on the pro within a few hours. he initially said a ps5 pro would launch with the ps5 and then came back and said it wont come until 2022. of course all the youtubers and websites conveniently ignored that part.

I didn't backpedal anything. Everything I said was based on the speculation of a valid source. Whether they are wrong or not doesn't matter.

But feel free to wait for the confirmation news throughout this generation. It will make my decision to inform anyone on anything a non-issue. I'm very happy with that.
 
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concern trolling? what is this era? ridiculous to even think differently? we must think like a hivemind and cant disagree with each other like normal human beings?

again, this is something thats long been argued back when MS decided to put PC exclusives and when Andrew House was afraid he might lose customers. This isnt some ridiculous theory, its been discussed to death before. you are making it sound like I am talking about faking the moon landings.

Lastly, and this has gone on for far too long now, but the very fact that PS exclusives, first party ones at that, are coming to PC means that they are no longer committed to traditional console business model. I have no idea whats so hard to understand about this.

Edit: Lol.



lol You are basically sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting like a child. “Sony is gonna lose money! Soy is gonna lose MONEYY!” You keep saying, “This was discussed a long time ago!” Doesn’t mean shit now. It’s obvious you have some agenda you are trying to push here so allow me to stop you before you continue and put you on ignore. You can bother someone else with your incessant trolling.
 

Disco_

Member
Don't want to seem rude but are you sure it's the final DK.
I remember last gen that even some first party devs did not know about 8GB of ram .
GG did not know and they were making a launch game lol and final kits went out to both first and 3rd party later .
Just as last gen, final dev kits won't be out til summer. Zhuge even said so.

As for 512Gb/s bandwidth being enough for 11-12tf...yeah, ok
 
Basically you said what I already said so I agree with you, but I would agree anyway given that avatar.
Damn.

I'll have to check your post then; I have a bad habit of saying things someone else already said, sometimes even just a few posts above :S

Also 'damn' was just part of the response I had when I found the model of the pic. I'd die to see them cosplay as Cammy or Falke 🤤
 
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