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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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hemo memo

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All will be forgotten in an instance as soon as Sony shares more info. It's not good for us but the later thy show Info the more the hype will ge and carry in our minds close to release.

I wouldn’t be so sure. What Microsoft showed so far is impressive with the quick resume and how are they handling compatibility. Next for Microsoft to show is games which is what matters and they have invested heavily in studios and by the point Sony start showing stuff the message will be lost.

Microsoft is hyping this the slow and right way.
 

Xyphie

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So this sets everything straight, the GITHUB LEAKS for the Xbox were INCORRECT!

Xbox GitHub = 56 CUs at 1675 MHz.
Xbox real specs = 52 CUs at 1825 MHz.

So now, it proves that PS5 is NOT GitHub 9.2 TF like some on here believed it to be.

We told you guys, we told you that the PS5 isn’t the GITHUB LEAK.

No, everything about the Github leak has been 100% correct thus far. We know the full chip has 56CU just like the leak said, it has a 320-bit memory bus like the leak said. Just because Microsoft chose to bin the final chip for shader count rather than frequency doesn't make the leak incorrect.
 
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Guess I might have to give an apology to Tommy Fischer after all, at least regarding XSX. Folks are right, can't deny that he got those exactly right.

I absolutely dislike the fanboy/trolling-like behavior he made after those posts and think that's up for fair criticism, however. But maybe that, and even the absolutely BS controller pic, were them intentionally throwing attention off themselves.

I still doubt they will be absolutely right on everything for both systems, but at least regarding the XSX stuff we know now from MS themselves, he was pretty much accurate.

Now let's see how right they are about PS5; keep in mind Github was also pretty much right about the XSX, too (altho it was more vague). We'll see which way PS5 lands soon enough and maybe we can return to some sanity again xD.
 

xool

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Can someone explain this - numbers don't make sense for me ..

DF already said 14Gbps Gddr6 with 6x 2GB and 4x 1GB, but 320*14/8 = 560 - so the full 320bit bus should have 560GB/s total .. so how can they get than from 10GB, unless it's 10x 1GB chips .. and for the 6GB for 336GB/s they need a 192 bit bus @14Gbps .. that's gx 1GB chips .. total would be 16 chips .. but there are only 10, and a mixture of 1 & 2GB chips

???
 

Kobi

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Realistically, shouldn't we be seeing some info from Sony very soo....shortly? Not just because MS has done their full reveal. But because if they wait any longer, this virus which shall not be named might get way out of hand and sort of take the wind out of their reveal. I kinda think that's why MS has released everything now, so any other info will be mainly just games and a possible lower spec machine.
 

ZywyPL

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This came out of fucking nowhere, and oh boy the news delivers. I'm seriously sceptical about that RAM split tho, I fell like within 3-4 years once the devs start to push the console to its limits we might again run into what happened with 970 "4GB" VRAM... But other than that, what a well designed machine, for real. Your move Sony.
 

Entroyp

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Just to add GitHub never had the GPU clock.
The clock was speculated based in 56CUs.

But yeap GitHub is not accurate.

I’m not saying the github leak has credence, but isn’t the XsX 56 CUs with 4 disabled? And clock speeds can be easily manipulated after testing I asume.
 
That's not the only thing he got wrong though lol. He made a bunch of educated guesses using info that was already available. He got some right and some wrong.

And then he gave that DS5 pic LMAO....


I'll admit that the only thing about that DS5 Pic which did not sit right is that MOW showed it . MOW does not share private information and he would not ask us if we think that something was real or not . So I am not entirely convinced that this was not a "Controlled" leak to get him banned without self banning.
 

xool

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@Mod of War can we unban tommy fisher ? lets see if he comes back and gloat abit. he deserves it .

no one and i mean no one got the XSX correct to this degree in December .

Pretty sure TF was a burner account designed to protect sources, and, add some light trolling at the end with the pics for a "fell on his sword" moment.

,,possibly one of our other insiders gave the info.

Just my conspiracy theory.
 

Insiderus

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No, everything about the Github leak has been 100% correct thus far. We know the full chip has 56CU just like the leak said, it has a 320-bit memory bus like the leak said. Just because Microsoft chose to bin the final chip for shader count rather than frequency doesn't make the leak incorrect.
Lol
Githup leaks: XSX full chip has 60CU which is not accurate and 1.65GHz is not accurate too

Tommy Fisher got that on point
 

LED Guy?

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No, everything about the Github leak has been 100% correct thus far. We know the full chip has 56CU just like the leak said, it has a 320-bit memory bus like the leak said. Just because Microsoft chose to bin the final chip for shader count rather than frequency doesn't make the leak incorrect.
LMAO!! The tests for GitHub were 60 CUs, 4 turned off so that rounds up 56 CUs.

LMAO the denial 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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Not even close.

F*** the trolls.

And F*** R600.

There I said it.

We should all make some kind of tribute, colecting some of his posts that didn't age well (well, that'll make pretty much all of them).

Some kind of warning from history, all that thermal shit was a bit out of touch back then and it'll be hilarious going forward.
 
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Deleted member 775630

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This came out of fucking nowhere, and oh boy the news delivers. I'm seriously sceptical about that RAM split tho, I fell like within 3-4 years once the devs start to push the console to its limits we might again run into what happened with 970 "4GB" VRAM... But other than that, what a well designed machine, for real. Your move Sony.
That's why we'll have XSX2 by then ;)
 
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Klee just said Windows Central is the closest that any media has gotten to real SX.

EDIT: he just said "in other words, 2GB/s". So there it is.

ProcessorCustom AMD Zen 2-based CPU (8x @ 3.6 GHz)
GraphicsCustom AMD Navi-based GPU (12 TF RDNA)
Memory16GB GDDR6 RAM (13GB guaranteed for game developers)
StorageNVMe SSD (we've heard read speeds of anywhere up to 2GB/s)
Video output8K, 4K @ 120Hz
Optical drive4K Blu-ray
PortsUnknown
ColorMatte Black
PriceUnknown
Release dateHoliday 2020

It was windows central that got it right?
 

Dodkrake

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XSX > PS5

"The Xbox Series X is the biggest generational leap of SoC and API design that we’ve done with Microsoft, and it’s an honor for AMD to partner with Microsoft for this endeavor. The Xbox Series X is going to be a beacon of technical innovation leadership for this console generation and will propagate the innovation throughout the DirectX ecosystem this year and into next year. It is a privilege to be Microsoft’s trusted partner, and we look forward to a successful launch this holiday season!"

"A beacon" is not the same as "the beacon". Stop reading into things
 

_sqn_

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Can someone explain this - numbers don't make sense for me ..

DF already said 14Gbps Gddr6 with 6x 2GB and 4x 1GB, but 320*14/8 = 560 - so the full 320bit bus should have 560GB/s total .. so how can they get than from 10GB, unless it's 10x 1GB chips .. and for the 6GB for 336GB/s they need a 192 bit bus @14Gbps .. that's gx 1GB chips .. total would be 16 chips .. but there are only 10, and a mixture of 1 & 2GB chips

???
yes there is mixture 1 & 2gb chips, so 10gb with full sped 320bit and last 6 only 6/10 so 192bit
 
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ethomaz

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Can someone explain this - numbers don't make sense for me ..

DF already said 14Gbps Gddr6 with 6x 2GB and 4x 1GB, but 320*14/8 = 560 - so the full 320bit bus should have 560GB/s total .. so how can they get than from 10GB, unless it's 10x 1GB chips .. and for the 6GB for 336GB/s they need a 192 bit bus @14Gbps .. that's gx 1GB chips .. total would be 16 chips .. but there are only 10, and a mixture of 1 & 2GB chips

???
That is not how it works.
You have a 320bits bus so you have 10 slots for memory with 32bits each.
So if you put one chip of memory in each 32bits slot then you have the 560GB/s total with 10 chips.

But what happens when in one of these 32bits spots you put 2 chips of memory? The bandwidth is shared between the two chips so 320GB/s.

So there is a mix of 1 chip per 32bits and 2 chips per 32bits in MS setup.
I just can't find the correct layout in the video.

Of course unless DF is mixing the info.
 
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DrDamn

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That is not how it works.
You have a 320bits bus so you have 10 slots for memory with 32bits each.
So if you put one chip of memory in each 32bits slot then you have the 560GB/s total with 10 chips.

But what happens when in one of these 32bits spots you put 2 chips of memory? The bandwidth is shared between the two chips so 320GB/s.

So there is a mix of 1 chip per 32bits and 2 chips per 32bits in MS setup.
I just can't find the correct layout in the video.

Of course unless DF is mixing the info.

Same figures here:-

 

01011001

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OK guys. Man up.

Which posters out there bashed Tommy Fisher as a no nothing troller? Time to apologize.

The guy's TF, CU count, RDNA and even GPU clockspeed were spot on.

On the plus side for you Sony fans, if he's this accurate for SeX, his PS5 claim of 13.3TF might be true too.

he had too many bullshit leaks as well tho... like that Sony bought 2 studios which they didn't buy... or Microsoft buying another studio, which they also did not buy... which we know because these are publicly traded and they can't keep quiet for that long.

and then that really badly faked controller.

if it turns out that he got both specs correctly we all need to bow down before him lol... but also ask why all the fake bullshit
 

xool

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That is not how it works.
You have a 320bits bus so you have 10 slots for memory with 32bits each.
So if you put one chip of memory in each 32bits slot then you have the 560GB/s total with 10 chips.

But what happens when in one of these 32bits spots you put 2 chips of memory? The bandwidth is shared between the two chips so 320GB/s.

So there is a mix of 1 chip per 32bits and 2 chips per 32bits in MS setup.
I just can't find the correct layout in the video.

Of course unless DF is mixing the info.
Oh wait yeah it's starting to click

the high speed 10GB is spread across the full 10 chips 320 bits, and the last lower speed 6GB is only using 192bits so 6 "spots" .. so of the 10 "spots" (chips) 6 are 2GB, the remainder (4) are only 1GB

..they put it an odd way imo (there isn't 560+336 total bandwidth)

got it now thnx
 

Xyphie

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Lol
Githup leaks: XSX full chip has 60CU which is not accurate and 1.65GHz is not accurate too

Tommy Fisher got that on point

Nope

LMAO!! The tests for GitHub were 60 CUs, 4 turned off so that rounds up 56 CUs at 1675 MHz.

LMAO the denial 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nope

If you read the Excel spreadsheet you can see they are all for 3584 shaders, absolutely nowhere is it mentioned that the full chip would have 3840 or 4096 shaders, this is a assumption people have made based on previous consoles having binned chips. What we can probably deduce now is that 36 CU is likely the full on-chip CU count for Oberon/Ariel/Gonzalo rather than 40 that many have assumed.
 
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MARTYWOLF

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MS at first had RDNA and the change to next gen RDNA later on .
When did tommy give his info ?

MS always used next gen rdna for the power your dreams blog (game awards ) tho im unsure about the previous blog to that one

The clock speed he put forth is impressive the chances of getting it right are fucking nuts but i just think rdna2 and 52 werent that hard of a guess.

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01011001

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Might be he had much better quality MS sources - or just guessed right.

could be, it's hard to tell. he had so many bogus leaks that it's really hard to make sense of him right now.

his Xbox leak was so spot on, it's such a weird case with him.
 

ethomaz

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Oh wait yeah it's starting to click

the high speed 10GB is spread across the full 10 chips 320 bits, and the last lower speed 6GB is only using 192bits so 6 "spots" .. so of the 10 "spots" (chips) 6 are 2GB, the remainder (4) are only 1GB

..they put it an odd way imo (there isn't 560+336 total bandwidth)

got it now thnx
It is an odd way indeed.

But I believe nVidia used something like that in some GPUs where people attacked them for not all 4GB being at te same speed... it was 3.5GB at full speed and 0.5GB at half-speed.
 
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Luquinhadesu

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Just need to remind you things that i said before for the last time\
GPU: PS5>SeX ~10%
RayTracing Accelerators: PS5>X1 (PS5's RT works by using acceleration structures and algorithms much like nVidia's RTX cores)
CPU: Sex>PS5 ~ 6%
Memory: PS5>Sex for the size and bandwidth
SSD: PS5>Sex ~ Over twice as fast (this is the biggest and most noticable difference)
Fan noise (Dev-Kit): Sex>PS5 (not as egregious 1x vs. Pro).

BTW it's up to you believe me or not, but things gonna be clear very soon and you will find out who knows and who knows shit.

Bonus?
Remedy and Housemarque have been in Sony's WWS family for a while now!

Techland belongs to MS now!

If he's right, then PS5 is really 2GHz (11% > 1.8)
CPU should be about 3.6Ghz
 

xacto

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Realistically, shouldn't we be seeing some info from Sony very soo....shortly? Not just because MS has done their full reveal. But because if they wait any longer, this virus which shall not be named might get way out of hand and sort of take the wind out of their reveal. I kinda think that's why MS has released everything now, so any other info will be mainly just games and a possible lower spec machine.

Sony might drop (and maybe should) some info sooner than later; all this "world is in crisis because COVID-19 is rampant" excuse is void now. Look at Microsoft; isn't their console "living" in the same world dominated by this pandemic? And still, there we are, full specs reveal for Series X.
 
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