• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Status
Not open for further replies.
Zero707

Zero707

If I carry on trolling, report me.
Zero707 said:
#TeamGitHub
PS5 GPU 36CU/40CU , CPU 3.5 Ghz
One Last Ride
Click to expand...


Zero707 said:
Mod of War Mod of War yo if PS5 didn't have 36CU or 40CU then Please give me permanent ban but not tomorrow i will take MY L for tomorrow if i was wrong so ban the day after tomorrow
#OneLastRide
C3xuIep.gif
Click to expand...
Let's go Team GItHub




 
Gediminas

Gediminas

Banned
Sethbacca said:
And given that a large part of the world may be unemployed for a big chunk of the year, that may be to their benefit. I wanted more flops but the price/power dynamic is gonna be interesting to see played out with the economic shit show looming.
Click to expand...
so they planned CV19? are you kidding me? they just went cheap. they could not make it with 40cu or 44cu? you want consoles as close us possible for the best results in gaming.
 
Burrito Bandito

Burrito Bandito

Banned
Mr Moose said:
~17% difference in TF isn't a huge deal, hopefully it doesn't drop much from the 10.3. The audio stuff sounds cool but I doubt it's any different to what the Series X does. Price and box reveal in June?
Click to expand...

this variable clock stuff seems an awful lot like corporate-speak to me, like Cell. 10.3 is its absolute max throughput and best case scenario. Sounded to me like it was cope to coverup the fact that most of the time it will be operating at 9.2flops
 
Fake

Fake

Member
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Their SSD solution is going to be expensive and might be the hill they die on which I hate.
Click to expand...

If I watched right they mention you can plug alternative storage for PS4 games and reserve the SSD for PS5 or use SSD for all games. Looks for me more like an excuse for the 825GB instead of 1TB.
 
travisktl

travisktl

Member
existensmaximum said:
Huh, am I the only one in the world who was really amazed and impressed? Well not by the amateurish greenscreen and awkward "audience" silhouettes, but by the hardware engineering!
Click to expand...
I'm actually really excited. It may not be as powerful of a system as it was unbelievably hyped to be, but it's still a massive improvement over the PS4, which already has amazing looking games. I'm personally stoked on the audio side of things as well. That will make games so much more immersive.
 
HawarMiran

HawarMiran

Banned
Deeper Underground said:
Man some of you are pathetic and didn’t even pay attention what Cerny said. The PS5 is basically going to be running at 10TF a majority of the time and will only drop if it has to. Somehow you fucks took that to mean, “OMG 9.2 WAS RIGHT!!! GITHUB WAS RIIIIIIIIGHT!” False. GitHub only gave part of the answer. If the PS5’s cooling solution is as robust as we are hearing, it’s not going to be a problem.

For what it is, PS5 is a monster, just not to the degree of XSX, but we are going from 1.84TF to 10.2TF. Do you people not understand how much of a leap that? Stop being fucking idiots and just appreciate this next gen is about to be amazing instead of acting like spoiled ass little children.
Click to expand...
I didn't think i would be excited about the ssd at all. But Cerny worked his magic on me 😂.
 
H

huntern93

Neo Member
I think everyone is missing the part where Cerny was talking about the performance gain from higher clock speed instead of lower clock but more CU's ?

Realistically I reckon it's probably on par with the SeX in terms of max power considering this and the SSD speeds.

But Sony will have the cheaper price at $399 for sure but at the end of the day people play games at 4K 60FPS who is going to care ?

SeX will be $499 and as people do, they will buy whatever is cheapest.

PS5 Pro will be the 8K system and realistically most people only have 4K TV currently so no point in pushing the power to the limit. This isn't a PC so it's a different preformance scale so PS5 will not hold back anything.

Smart move by Sony but poor delivery
 
PocoJoe

PocoJoe

Banned
I'm gonna buy 2x ps5 = 20,6 tflops OF POWAH.

Bit disappointed but cerny probably knows what he does, so 36Cu + high speed vs 52CU+slow speed = could be that it is not even seen in games which is which.

16gb on ram on both sounds low, but maybe fast ssd equals into no need for more.

3d audio = nice if it works

But I just wanted to see the god damn BOX, Cerny just said that there will be a tear apart to show the cooler, nothing about when it happens
 
Gediminas

Gediminas

Banned
SSfox said:
PS5 looking amazing, awesome specs, SSD looks phenomenal, GPU 10.3 is super great. Also maybe they can hit that 399? who knows

Also Cerny is promising a not noisy console, that also super great.

The only disappointment is still no ps123 BC, hope they still working on it and will come later on.
Click to expand...
forget it man, they went cheap as f. do you think they will make BC for PS1,2,3? they barely will make 100 PS4 games for launch and those which are played most.
 
Mr Moose

Mr Moose

Member
Reindeer said:
Both CPU and GPU clocks are variable so it will be around 20-25% difference.
Click to expand...
Shit I forgot about the CPU lol.

Burrito Bandito said:
this variable clock stuff seems an awful lot like corporate-speak to me, like Cell. 10.3 is its absolute max throughput and best case scenario. Sounded to me like it was cope to coverup the fact that most of the time it will be operating at 9.2flops
Click to expand...
Yeah I am not a fan of it, fingers crossed it doesn't drop that much.
 
demigod

demigod

Member
Insane Metal said:
I'll try to expose my (unbiased) opinion.

So far I must applaud Phil Spencer for how he and the X Team have been handling the XSX reveal. They went at the Game Awards for the first words about it and later straight to DF and online media which is aimed at gamers. I thought this was much better than Sony staying shut for months and then coming up with a video that was meant for GDC. If you're making a reveal for the gamers and the indystry as a whole just do something better. That reveal was pretty bad IMO.

That said, I think PS5 and XSX have very different approaches. Graphically speaking there's no doubt the XSX is stronger. But there's a lot more to talk about here. Its APU is probably a lot bigger and having almost 50% more CUs than PS5's APU will make it a lot more expensive. PS5 is probably a lot faster than the X and I'm wondering how much of a difference this will make while gaming.

Seeing how bad the economy is right now (and probably will be for a long time), I think the cheapest console will have a better time selling. And in this case I think PS5 will comfortably sell for $100 less than the XSX. If Lockhart had been put on hold or even cancelled, at this point I believe Microsoft will make a big deal out of it in the next few months. And no, I don't believe it'll be a 4TF box. I believe they'll go as close as PS5 as they can while keeping a cheaper price.
Click to expand...

I wonder if it'll be $100 or $50 cheaper. I bet it will be $449 vs $499. Sony cannot price it at the same price as the XSX.
 
zubairali2

zubairali2

Member
Deeper Underground said:
Man some of you are pathetic and didn’t even pay attention what Cerny said. The PS5 is basically going to be running at 10TF a majority of the time and will only drop if it has to. Somehow you fucks took that to mean, “OMG 9.2 WAS RIGHT!!! GITHUB WAS RIIIIIIIIGHT!” False. GitHub only gave part of the answer. If the PS5’s cooling solution is as robust as we are hearing, it’s not going to be a problem.

For what it is, PS5 is a monster, just not to the degree of XSX, but we are going from 1.84TF to 10.2TF. Do you people not understand how much of a leap that? Stop being fucking idiots and just appreciate this next gen is about to be amazing instead of acting like spoiled ass little children.
Click to expand...

i agree 100% this is creating such a divide in the gaming community right now its disgusting.
 
Burrito Bandito

Burrito Bandito

Banned
StreetsofBeige said:
Looks like they put all their money into a super fast SSD, which is double Sex's SSD speed.

Everything else is better on SeX.
Click to expand...
but when talking fractions of seconds was it worth it? If loading GTA VI takes 2 seconds on PS5, will anyone care it takes 4 seconds on xbox?

seems like a very odd choice to blow their extra cash on. should have went with same ssd as MS and upped something else
 
Oner

Oner

Member
Jonsoncao said:
J1VzC7e.png


I screen captured one of the most cringey meme'able image from the live stream to share with you guys.

I felt for Cerny...Even though the slideshow is 100% technically correct, but deflecting is not a pleasant but a hard job.
Click to expand...

I disagree. To me it shows who has a better understanding (comprehension) vs muh TF's Bro (feels) in the real world i.e. comments & such (online or in verbal conversation).
 
Last edited:
existensmaximum

existensmaximum

Member
travisktl said:
I'm actually really excited. It may not be as powerful of a system as it was unbelievably hyped to be, but it's still a massive improvement over the PS4, which already has amazing looking games. I'm personally stoked on the audio side of things as well. That will make games so much more immersive.
Click to expand...
Yeah! And I genuinely believe that 9-10 TFs is more than enough to produce insanely good looking games. I really couldn't care less if the Xbox has 20% more raw power or something. PS5 exclusives will look better than any multiplat anyway, just like this gen.
 
KingT731

KingT731

Member
Reindeer said:
Both CPU and GPU clocks are variable so it will be around 20-25% difference.
Click to expand...
This is part of what piqued my interest. I understand the logic that they went with ( ex: A 2D "16-bit" indie game doesn't need all the GPU power) due to the way power is used and heat is created but how does this turn out in real world performance. They also made it a point to say they had the option for a larger GPU but opted for higher clock speeds...this can be interesting.
 
P

Pug

Member
Oddspeak said:
The presentation could've been an article, as it's essentially the same type of info we were given by Microsoft via articles. However, my curiosity about a LOT of things (RAM, SSD speeds, CPU, GPU, 3D audio) is ultimately satisfied, and that counts for a lot, considering the wait.

Calling it the worst presentation ever is such a smooth-brained kneejerk reaction. At worst, it was just boring because it was all tech talk, which was the entire point.
Click to expand...
It wasn't the what was contained in the presentation that was a problem, Cerny is just an awful presenter, he makes the boring even more boring. The way MS dropped the XSX deep dive, was far more user friendly and didn't bore nearly as much.
 
Mendou

Mendou

Banned
darrenskywalker said:
If I'm being honest, the moderation seems to be biased towards Sony fans. For one of many examples Tommy Fisher trolled and trolled on the Sony fandom side of things and wasn't moderated till his fake screenshot and was even brought back early. There were many, many other Sony fandom comments, posts that went unmoderated. Seemed skewed on that side if I'm being honest. Take that for what it's worth. Maybe my perception is inaccurate...but that's how I saw it.
Click to expand...
For Tommy Fisher to have gotten the Xbox SX specs so precise and have given an outlandish 13.3tf figure on the PS5, I believe the man could have been a Microsoft employee who gave those PS5 rumours as a way to fuel our disappointments. Either way, at least he's a legit Xbox source for everyone here. He's probably laughing it up with that Cerny 'secret sauce' of his.
 
K.N.W.

K.N.W.

Member
I'm an audio engineer, and tempest looks really sexy. But will developers use it??
Anyway, I'm preparing a (vegan) crow. I was totally expecting Sony to destroy/compete with Microsoft on the GPU side, but they didn't. But, there are chances it's a really balanced system:
1) Custom Hardware decompresses data by itself and stores it in memory without bothering the CPU
2) GPU is updated about moved data without being bothered too much
3) The SSD will work as an auxiliary memory pool, making so that the portion of RAM used is mostly involved with what is going on, not precaching future data
4) 3D audio chip does many self-management tasks without bothering the CPU too much
5) They reach 10+ TFs with lower CU count, but at a higher speed, which should mean more stable performance levels
6) Many optimizations on the LOD system, to ease up GPU load
All of those are happening without developers almost even moving a finger (they are probably horny right now). And Cerny said the many custom chips involved equate to having many more CPU cores. What if this things performs similiarly to XB Series X, and costs less???
I just hope that the bandwidth rumor floating around is wrong, and it's much higher.

This almost feels like the old SNES/GENESIS/PS1/N64/PS2/GC days, where every component on the board was custom so that they would squeeze every bit from the console.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

AMD RDNA 5 To Be A Completely New GPU Architecture From The Ground Up, RDNA 4 Mostly Fixes RDNA 3 Issues & Improves Ray Tracing
News Rumor Hardware 2 3
128
6K
SoloCamo replied
Was 8 CPU cores enough for 9th gen consoles? Strix Halo, the prefect console.
Opinion Analysis 2
62
3K
Tertullian replied
Tom Warren - Sony’s PS5 Pro is real and Sony is asking developers to get games ready over the summer, with a push for ray-tracing support
News Hardware Hype 2 3 4
186
14K
DanielG165 replied
Report: Upcoming 'Turin' Zen 5 CPUs will support 4TB of RAM at 6000 MT/s
Rumor Hardware
43
3K
OverHeat replied
Leak - Zen 5 is now in mass production, release in late 2024
Hardware 2
61
6K
CuteFaceJay replied
Top Bottom