Where the fuck are people getting the idea that wide and slow is worse than narrow and fast?
Compare the 5500XT to an underclocked 5700 and the 5700 will stomp it, even if you limit memory bandwidth so it is more comparable.
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Where the fuck are people getting the idea that wide and slow is worse than narrow and fast?
Compare the 5500XT to an underclocked 5700 and the 5700 will stomp it, even if you limit memory bandwidth so it is more comparable.
zubairali2
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IllegalLemon
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From what i gather ,there's units in the soc of the PS5 that are much more custom than what the Xbox Series X has. The tempest audio engine seems to be an custom exotic solution for audio and mirrors what sony did with the spus in the cell chipset, only in this instance, it's a unit meant primarily for audio processing and perhaps even raytraced audio. So both consoles seem to have their own unique features built in and it shows, I'm extremely excited for what these two next gen beasts will bring to the table, both Microsoft and Sony did a magnificent job with their own custom solutions. And regarding the TFLOPS war most people have brought up, it's on ignore for me. Both are incredible pieces of hardware with their own unique set of features and both engineering teams did an astounding job with each of them. Exciting times await for all of us gamers, let's put down all the meaningless warring and do what gamers have always done. Game!!!
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it_wasn't_me
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Really curious
FranXico
Member
Come on, you know what's gonna happen. More framerate drops on the PS5, effects turned off, hell some devs might even disable RT on the PS5 version LOL.
Aceofspades
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Actually all I wanna do is gloating. My damn mobile made me banned on the other place today, so I have to do it here ....
Since you made here, let me tell you that you predicted nothing, your tables were annoying and you kept changing them like a delusional trans changing her sex on a whim...go to your safe space in psycho era please
DaGwaphics
Member
It will be interesting to see what the real-world max output of the GPU/CPU are on PS5, from what was said I gather it is an either or at peak. So no 3.5 + 2.23. The high sustained clocks on the XSX could be a real advantage, hoping it's not too loud though. Next gen really looks great, Sony still has the new controller features (MS must have been in true penny pinching mode by the time they got to the controller). The cheaper price on PS will be a big win for them, price still matters.
Jonsoncao
Banned
Based on the transistor count, and some physical law (heat dissipation at low temp = linear, high temp=becomes quadratic), 2.23Ghz sounds like a very very very bad decision to me, even at 7nm+.
I think people planning to buy PS5 have to prepare for the worst case scenario: a bigger and more expensive but less powerful console.
I will wait for PS5 Pro.
Nevaeh
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How did u get banned there ? :OActually all I wanna do is gloating. My damn mobile made me banned on the other place today, so I have to do it here ....
Pushed on Sent by accident, wanted to add the spoiler but was distracted by my job, just did that and boom a ban LOL
xPikYx
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it is like looking to buy a rtx2060 or a rtx 2080, but with 100$ difference instead of 400$
Reindeer
Member
I think games will be very similar but will run at lower resolution and lower RT settings. There shouldn't be much more difference beyond that.
Handy Fake
Member
Indeed, I'm really curious as to how the architecture interacts as a whole.
01011001
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this wording suggests that not all are playable not that they're jot boost mode compatible.
we shouldn't start with word twisting right now already, just as we saw what this did with all the expectations towards the GPU.
stop it right there.
this sounds like not every PS4 games is PLAYABLE like the exact wording is saying it.
so don't infer meaning into this.
if all PS4 games are playable at launch Sony will clarify this pretty soon I would guess, so let's see and wait. because as of now the wording sounds like not every game is playable
CrustyBritches
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Check post #2 in this thread. The credibility is just fine.
The funniest of all is Tommy Fisher, though. He was definitely a double-agent ala "Operation Fortitude" during WWII. He might have been "Klee" from Reee-, as well. Suspiciously self-banned on both sites.
Metroiddarks
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This bring me back old memories2.23GHz gpu sounds as soothing as a nuclear reactor failure. I am not convinced of such extremes.
After launch, i will wait a few months (or more) before I decide to buy it. To be honest I'd rather pay extra $ 100 and get more CU's with a lower clock frequency.
Because most of my friends will choose ps5 anyway it will be my primary console regardless of its specs. However, the whole hype went down from 10 to 6. And not because of these 10TF (it's still a lot), but Sony's desperation to achieve this value in a device with a relatively small volume. 36 blazing-hot CU's? I'm a bit worried.
Chromata
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"When that worst case game arrives, it will run at a lower clock speed. But not too much lower, to reduce power by 10 per cent it only takes a couple of percent reduction in frequency, so I'd expect any downclocking to be pretty minor," he explains. "All things considered, the change to a variable frequency approach will show significant gains for PlayStation gamers."
Sony's pitch is essentially this: a smaller GPU can be a more nimble, more agile GPU, the inference being that PS5's graphics core should be able to deliver performance higher than you may expect from a TFLOPs number that doesn't accurately encompass the capabilities of all parts of the GPU. Developers work to the power limits of the SoC, their workloads affecting frequencies on the fly - but it's those factors that impact the clock speeds, not ambient temperatures.
Down clocks will be minor, Tflops don't tell the whole story. This is something we've been repeatedly warned about.
Dude called it. For those who are extremely disappointed, I'm sure there's more to console hardware engineering than a Tflop number.
Sony definitely screwed up on the marketing end. This shouldn't have been how they broke their silence to their wider audience.
Sony's pitch is essentially this: a smaller GPU can be a more nimble, more agile GPU, the inference being that PS5's graphics core should be able to deliver performance higher than you may expect from a TFLOPs number that doesn't accurately encompass the capabilities of all parts of the GPU. Developers work to the power limits of the SoC, their workloads affecting frequencies on the fly - but it's those factors that impact the clock speeds, not ambient temperatures.
Down clocks will be minor, Tflops don't tell the whole story. This is something we've been repeatedly warned about.
Dude called it. For those who are extremely disappointed, I'm sure there's more to console hardware engineering than a Tflop number.
Sony definitely screwed up on the marketing end. This shouldn't have been how they broke their silence to their wider audience.
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pasterpl
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cerny says that the expect almost all of these 100 top PS4 games to be playable on ps5 at launch, nothing about boost clocks in the last sentence.
Insane Metal
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People bashing insiders: remember they are also fed information from others. Osiris black for example posted here once that the last clocks he heard about were 2.1Ghz and that surely was right. They were probably testing to see how far they could go.
sonomamashine
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Sony got nervous bumped clocks last minute to be in the double digit, Microsoft did a great job and either way competition is great for us, RYZEN + SSD it's great.
Nickolaidas
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So, to sum up: Fan noise is still an issue for me - need to hear from the horse's mouth how they're dealing with that. No offence Osiris, but your 'cool and quiet' comment is no longer a guarantee for me.
PS4 games: How will they look, play and load.
And now the games: Sony can STILL make this a massive win if they announce the rumored Konami licensing of IPs like Castlevania, and show us a couple of exclusives that will blow us away.
Also, how will the first party exclusives of the Series X will fare against the PS5 ones when they have to run on a X-Box One X as well?
Interesting times, indeed!
PS4 games: How will they look, play and load.
And now the games: Sony can STILL make this a massive win if they announce the rumored Konami licensing of IPs like Castlevania, and show us a couple of exclusives that will blow us away.
Also, how will the first party exclusives of the Series X will fare against the PS5 ones when they have to run on a X-Box One X as well?
Interesting times, indeed!
ResilientBanana
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Jason wins the day yet *again*.
Now,OsirisBlack @o'dium
HeisenbergFX4 , I legitimately do NOT think you're fakes or trolls. I sincerely believe you were speaking based on what you were told, and you never intended to fuck with us. Please keep hanging out here.
Now, I am not REALLY disappointed with the PS5 specs, because I trust the devs to do some good magic with that SSD.
But, what I *am* disappointed with, is the lack of info in certain things. For example:
We still have no idea how improved the PS4 games will be when running on a PS5. Will they load faster? Will they run on Native 4K? Will the fps be increased? No info whatsoever, and hats off to MS for showing their cards on that front.
HipHopGamer and TOmmy FIsher turned out to be wrong on the PS1/PS2/PS3 BC, but I don't really care because I don't have any PS1/PS2/PS3 games on my library anymore.
Cerny made 3D audio seem much more interesting than I think it actually is, but I'll reserve judgment until I see results.
Cerny HIMSELF admitted the PS4 Pro is LOUD AS FUCK when playing God of War, so all you assholes who claimed the PS4 Pro is 'whisper quiet' can go fuck yourselves. IMMA NOT CRAZY, YUR CRAZY.
However, he sounded pretty reassuring that despite OVERCLOCKING THE FUCK OUT OF THE PS5 … it will be VERY quiet. This has my attention. How, Cerny? How will you make the PS5 so quiet when it's so overclocked?
OsirisBlack
has been full of shit for years. Please do not give him the benefit of the doubt. Please re-read his bullshit starting from the beginning.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
Related info from a meeting we had yesterday was waiting for it to be approved before posting. Price is currently $399.99 they were discussing a better CPU which would raise the price to $499.99 we were guaranteed the price will be no higher than $499.99 (He mentioned the CPU upgrade quite a...
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Reindeer
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So much for PS5 having superior Ray Tracing.
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StreetsofBeige
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LOL.Jason wins the day yet *again*.
Now,
Now, I am not REALLY disappointed with the PS5 specs, because I trust the devs to do some good magic with that SSD.
But, what I *am* disappointed with, is the lack of info in certain things. For example:
We still have no idea how improved the PS4 games will be when running on a PS5. Will they load faster? Will they run on Native 4K? Will the fps be increased? No info whatsoever, and hats off to MS for showing their cards on that front.
HipHopGamer and TOmmy FIsher turned out to be wrong on the PS1/PS2/PS3 BC, but I don't really care because I don't have any PS1/PS2/PS3 games on my library anymore.
Cerny made 3D audio seem much more interesting than I think it actually is, but I'll reserve judgment until I see results.
Cerny HIMSELF admitted the PS4 Pro is LOUD AS FUCK when playing God of War, so all you assholes who claimed the PS4 Pro is 'whisper quiet' can go fuck yourselves. IMMA NOT CRAZY, YUR CRAZY.
However, he sounded pretty reassuring that despite OVERCLOCKING THE FUCK OUT OF THE PS5 … it will be VERY quiet. This has my attention. How, Cerny? How will you make the PS5 so quiet when it's so overclocked?
As I said in an old post probably 1-2 weeks ago.... I even typed a cheesy furniture salesman example trying to make a point..... I'd rather trust real data sheets over any people with their heresay, riddles and best of all.......... all the insiders even had different numbers.
But to be honest, you can't blame them too much.
For some people, the internet creates a need of attention. And they won't want to piss off people (gamers) by saying something is low or else they are going to get nailed to the cross and twitter bombed for 6 months.
That's why Schreier let loose his insider info of a weak PS this morning. I bet this guy knew since last year, but didn't want to ruffle feathers. But as soon as everyone found out Sony is doing a GDC spec reveal, then do it that morning as at worse he gets crucified for 3 hours.
And even if some of those "friends of insiders" knew, why would they tell anyone 10tf? He'll probably get grilled too if people found out. So say something like 12tf to get everyone off their backs.
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Cerny really is passionate about this audio thing, he was literally foaming at the mouth.
TTOOLL
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Not cheap, balanced. Did you even see the presentation?? Balance was repeated so many times... evolution x revolution, cost of ssd. Sony learned the hard way with the PS3 fail.
Aceofspades
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Still marginal compared to last gen and with 4k, its nothing
icerock
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When folks are trying to come to terms with the fact PS5 is weaker on both GPU/CPU, I don't blame them for concentrating on every word coming out of Cernys' mouth.
The BC stuff should've been more detailed, the messaging wasn't clear. They could've said, look all your PS4 games are going to run on PS5. It's just that boost feature won't work for all of them automatically, that has to be done on game by game basis. But they made it sound like, not all of PS4 games are going to work on PS5.
I'm going to cut them some slack because this wasn't a full reveal, but it was still very poorly presented.
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xPikYx
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my heater is very powerful despite PS5
The Mad Draklor
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It largely depends on how well the cooling solution keeps the temps low. Cerny said that they've gone with a significantly different approach, but the fruition of this different approach remains to be seen.
Sony gonna bust out the power of the cloud somewhere down the line
demigod
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It's like these folks have never bought a GPU since 2012. Boost mode is not new. Your games will be 10.3TF. I've said it before, it all comes down to the games and I would still be fine with 9.2TF had it been that.
Mendou
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That 17% difference is during its boost clock at 10.3 tf. You're looking at a 31% difference in reality when you compare it to Xbox's 12.1 tf and the PS5s native 9.2 tf.
Edit: It's a 23.9% difference. My bad.
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DeeDogg_
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I’m waiting for my apology for getting pounced on by fanboys for calling out
OsirisBlack
and
HeisenbergFX4
on their shit. And
BGs
can be thrown in there too 
OsirisBlack
and
HeisenbergFX4
on their shit. And
BGs
can be thrown in there too
Nickolaidas
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Dude.Since you made here, let me tell you that you predicted nothing, your tables were annoying and you kept changing them like a delusional trans changing her sex on a whim...go to your safe space in psycho era please
Rude. Uncalled for. And crass.
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Wandering Leopard
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Me too, I feel (based on nothing) it's more likely we'll see 60fps first party titles like the PS2 gen.
But I really want a developer to elaborate on what this might mean for next gen games.
Reindeer
Member
And 44% more power (according to Rogame) when it comes to Ray Tracing.
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Fake
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I expecting only Gran Turismo Sport to be showed as a BC for PS5...
Reindeer
Member
It just gets worse lol.
SegaSnatcher
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The difference in power is not huge, so people need to chill. Yes XBSX holds the overall performance crown, but Sony will put those 10.2 Teraflops to great use thanks in part that people will be able to build games exclusively for the new hardware from the get go where as Microsoft will stay fully multi-platform for a couple of years.
Basically Sony will have exclusives that take full advantage of the new hardware where as Xbox Series X will literally just scale up games built around the limitations of the base XB1. This makes a huge difference in terms of exclusives.
Basically Sony will have exclusives that take full advantage of the new hardware where as Xbox Series X will literally just scale up games built around the limitations of the base XB1. This makes a huge difference in terms of exclusives.
Mr Moose
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I thought he said it'll be running at 10.3 mostly and dropping slightly when needed? I guess we'll have to wait to see.
Roronoa Zoro
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But the SSD speed and Ram being equal this time while Xbox had much slower ram last time should equal things out more as well
Dargor
Member
In his opinion, as the tweets people have posted above show, the ssd will make a big difference.
I disagree with him, but I'll give him a break and say that only time will tell.
Zero707
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oh changing clocks when gets to hot ?
ph33rknot
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Boost is sauce
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