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[Hhhhttt]

this wording suggests that not all are playable not that they're jot boost mode compatible.
we shouldn't start with word twisting right now already, just as we saw what this did with all the expectations towards the GPU.

stop it right there.

this sounds like not every PS4 games is PLAYABLE like the exact wording is saying it.
so don't infer meaning into this.

if all PS4 games are playable at launch Sony will clarify this pretty soon I would guess, so let's see and wait. because as of now the wording sounds like not every game is playable

They’ve already confirmed in their wired articles that PS4 games are backwards compatible so

 

[newtonfb]

This is really stupid. Imagine working so goddamn hard trying to invent new ways/combinations/technologies to improve the game experience(ssd,audio,custom gpu and cpu solutions and shit) while still trying to maintain a consumer friendly cost, creating a balanced, gamer and developer oriented next gen console, only to get blamed for not going the easy way and slapping shit to a motherboard. Smh to those who deliberately choosing to stay ignorant and talk shit about things they don't understand.

This is why competition is great. Without Microsoft everyone would be stuck buying a PS5 that would seem amazing but in reality, there was a company and engineers who figured out a better way to design a console.

 

[PSX]

I am so impressed by the speed/efficiency PS5 has and SONY never disappointed me since PS1 always they deliver with performance, efficiency, price. I believe it will deliver a good price point! I will definitely be getting PS5 on day one! XSX will have to wait untill black friday with more games to come. can't buy console that doesn't have exclusives I am looking forward to just yet. but XSX it has to wait 2021-22 Black friday

 

[elcapitano]

Its all about that pricing.

If the V can get close to $100 under then its still a win for PS.

Xbox went for the throat and I applaud them.

I still can't wait to see what Sony first party Devs do with that power and that SSD speed.

I said awhile back I see the battleground of being in their tag lines:

Xbox - Most Powerful

PS5 - Fastest

With that spec sheet as a Sony gamer 100$ less would still be bad. I'd be wanting 150+ which while it won't happen it should cause the spec disparity is crazy.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Many people aren't happy

Do social media interactions matter anymore?

Those goalposts moved mid-stream.

 

[demigod]

Go back to REEE if you don’t want to read his posts

But he is a REEE member that posts there all the time. Try again.

 

[Marlenus]

yes, theres always a point in a cheap $299 entry way to next gen

Xbox can have the most expensive and most powerful console, while also have the cheapest entry point to the gen. Whynotboth.gif

Why not just reduce the price of the Xbox One X since MS are not going to release any Xbox Series X exclusives any time soon.

 

[MadAnon]

@Mod of War can we ban this dude yet? All he does is come here to gloat and he's even admitting to it.

Maybe you should be banned for being a complete douche towards r600 and other people who implied Github as the most accurate representation of what to expect from Sony, MS.

 

[icerock]

Many people aren't happy

This is precisely why this was a dumb idea, to have a GDC lecture for masses first insight on PS5.

All that technical jargon flew above 99% of viewers, all they see is spec sheets which are one-sided in favor of Series X. And there are no games to help them rationalize what these specs can do, Sony PR has been downright atrocious for past 2 years.

 

[elcapitano]

I just have to laugh on all the Sony fanboys in this topic who where expecting a more powerful console in comparison to Xbox and the Series X. .

I wasnting expecting more. Just comparable. Give or take 1TF roughly.

This is Xbox one to original PS4 bad for me.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Do social media interactions matter anymore?

Those goalposts moved mid-stream.

Damn :S

This is precisely why this was a dumb idea, to have a GDC lecture for masses first insight on PS5.

All that technical jargon flew above 99% of viewers, all they see is spec sheets which are one-sided in favor of Series X. And there are no games to help them rationalize what these specs can do, Sony PR has been downright atrocious for past 2 years.

For those downvoters I can assure you around what point they started mass-downvoting and it wasn't the conference itself otherwise the ratio would've been notable from the start.

But gotta also keep in mind most people on that stream are literal kids and teens, the ones most suspect to console warring and posting cringe comments in stream chats. Don't think their disapproval in this case should be taken reflective of too much.

That said, Sony will hopefully find a way to re-strengthen their messaging leading up to launch.

Spoiler

Also I personally enjoyed the technical jargon

 

[pasterpl]

But the SSD speed and Ram being equal this time while Xbox had much slower ram last time should equal things out more as well

xsex ram seems to be faster

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

If Sony doesn’t have VRS and Microsoft has exclusivity on it like what has been suggested then I am slightly concerned given the gpu performance deficit.

The lower bandwidth and 256bit bus along with CU deficit and lack of VRS point to a large gap in frame rate/image quality at higher resolutions.

 

[demigod]

Maybe you should be banned for being a complete douche towards r600 and other people who implied Github as the most accurate representation of what to expect from Sony, MS.

It's not 9.2TF.

 

[Shio]

No lol, that 16GB operates at much higher bandwidth. It will help, but SSD speed is very low compared to GDDR6.

The example that was given is that the player takes 0.5 seconds to turn which is more than enough time to load in over 2GB of assets dynamically

 

[Sinthor]

If what Cerny says can be believed, then it just means they spent a substantial amount more money on cooling to maintain silence and performance.

It could be a disaster, since we have an idea of what RDNA's thermals are like at high clocks. But since it's RDNA2 maybe it's not that absurd with the improved efficiency.

Good point. But there's something else going on here as well. The Github leak for MS showed 56 CU's with only 52 active I believe, which is what people tend to expect- CU's being disabled is standard practice for chip yield reasons. But the MS RELEASE shows 52CU's as the FULL CU'S on the chip! Same for Sony..Github showed 36 active CU's and people assumed that meant at least 40 CU's on chip with 4 disabled.

So has AMD solved yield issues to the extent that manufacturers can have no "wasted" silicon in the form of disabled CU's? If so, that's pretty HUGE, isn't it? Again, unless my recall is failing me here. That could mean BIG things for manufacturers in the future.

I'm still wondering what MS split memory pool with a good chuck of "slow" memory will mean for the overall performance of the box. Again, I think that's one reason that "sources" all felt the two would have similar TF numbers. Real world performance MAY WELL IN FACT BE almost indistinguishable between them. Depending on these factors.

Bottom line, we need to see the games. But I'm confident we will all be happy with either system overall. I just think Sony went for smaller form factor as well as a different philosophy to get performance. Also expect they were continuing to target the $399 area where MS will likely have to be at at least $499 unless they take a large loss per unit. We'll see!

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Fake]

People under estimating that SSD imo.

Sure I wanted more power but I was not expecting even 12 so I don't get this doom and gloom for PS5.

With how games were looking even on the Pro that PS5 is going to be a kick ass machine with a great gaming lineup.

Well, at least Microsoft give us a taste (Demo) of how fast will be the SSD unlike Sony.

 

[M1chl]

Do social media interactions matter anymore?

Those goalposts moved mid-stream.

It appears, that yes, because there was threads about how much attraction Sony generated on social media.

Game Journalism™ Fucking bullshiter. Guess old tweets are deleted.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

With that spec sheet as a Sony gamer 100$ less would still be bad. I'd be wanting 150+ which while it won't happen it should cause the spec disparity is crazy.

That spec sheet was not bad too many people were being unrealistic in their expectations.

 

[hemo memo]

I’m waiting for my apology for getting pounced on by fanboys for calling out OsirisBlack and HeisenbergFX4 on their shit. And @BGs can be thrown in there too

You’ll not get your apology because all insiders disappeared suddenly.

 

[Reindeer]

This is precisely why this was a dumb idea, to have a GDC lecture for masses first insight on PS5.

All that technical jargon flew above 99% of viewers, all they see is spec sheets which are one-sided in favor of Series X. And there are no games to help them rationalize what these specs can do, Sony PR has been downright atrocious for past 2 years.

It's like Sony and Microsoft PR teams switched places.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Why not just reduce the price of the Xbox One X since MS are not going to release any Xbox Series X exclusives any time soon.

because new games will take advantage of new tech, like zen 2, rdna 2, and ssd. One X is impressive, but it is still on old jaguar chips, on old Harddrives etc

 

[K.N.W.]

And guess what? The majority of games (3rd party) will not utilize it because they’ll develop for both consoles AND with PlayStation exclusives coming to PC, it’s a great time to invest in a console that play 3rd party games worse.

Actually, all the improvements sounded very "automatic", it could be the SDK itself to implement them.

 

[Amaranty]

I wonder if SSD will have any impact towards general performance besides load times.

Also the GPU on PS5 is clocked so high that I'm having doubts how quiet the console will be. Cerny didn't say anything what their cooling solution actually is which is concerning.

Maybe I understood wrong but it seems that they want PS5 fans to run at a constant speed regardless of power draw?

 

[semicool]

Looks like Oberon leaks were right.

The only thing they didn't see was Sony increasing the clockspeed from 2 ghz to 2.23 ghz, which makes the system go from 9.2tf to 10.3tf.

Yeah it's like they threw in a "hot" "boost" "variable" , only in best conditions, mode or something

 

[kyliethicc]

Also Cerny implies the way they can keep the PS5 quiet is by cutting back on power, so it won’t get loud but it’ll be like 8 TF most of the time.

I can’t believe they didn’t even show Spider-Man webbing through NYC at crazy fast speeds to show what a PS5 can do that a PS4 cannot. Horrible marketing idea.

 

[CrustyBritches]

 

[Shambala]

The x1x was also more powerful than the ps4 pro

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I wasnting expecting more. Just comparable. Give or take 1TF roughly.

This is Xbox one to original PS4 bad for me.

The Xbox One reveal was bad because Microsoft focused on anything, but games. Even with all of that technical jargon, Cerny did talk about ease of game development like the <1 month time to triangle.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Wait, wasn’t there an Xbox thing today as well? Almost forgot.

 

[Shambala]

Lmfao this is some funny ass shit

 

[MadAnon]

It's not 9.2TF.

Those were not final clocks but it gave the best insight about Sony going narrow and fast - 36CUs clocked very high. Also about memory setup.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

It's not 9.2TF.

But it is. But then overclocked. But then you put in another game and its 9.2. But different. But still the same. But 10.2. But 9.2.

You'll never know or care. TFs are the oddest judge of power.

 

[Reindeer]

The x1x was also more powerful than the ps4 pro

X suffered because of Xbox One image, this is entire new gen altogether.

 

[Nickolaidas]

This was a big win for MS. Despite showing nothing themselves (they just showed two last-gen games running on a better hardware), they actually came out far more prepared than Sony.

Jim Ryan was especially embarrassing. He looked like he was hastily brought there after suffering from a hangover and sounded like he had no idea what he was doing.
"Um- eh, thank you for, em, coming here for our , er, PS5 presentation and um … er, CERNY EVERYONE!!" (walks away)

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Let me tell something to everyone

If Timdog is known for having friends at Xbox division and even spoke with the heads several times, then he had a potential credibility.

He does and he does. I know him personally! That's why I laugh my ass off when I see him trashed here. Again. A fanboy is he? Of course! But he has first had talks with real high ups on team Xbox. I know this as a fact! I've seen it!

 

[Oddspeak]

Further commenting

Random console warriors: "LMAO WOW SO WEAK XBOX WINS WHAT A DUMPSTER FIRE"
People who actually know things: "That SSD is so fast, it could fundamentally change the way games are designed."

Guess which one's going to be the narrative due to the ear-splitting volume of its speakers?

 

[gaming_noob]

But he is a REEE member that posts there all the time. Try again.

I’m just glad you haven’t put me on ignore like all the other s fans. Feels good bro.

Wait, wasn’t there an Xbox thing today as well? Almost forgot.

Yes it has started but XSX talk is within the next few hours.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Reading that some prefer to buy the xbox because of the TF number is embarrassing. For real? Is it really important to have 12TF if you can also play your games at 4k @ 60fps with 10TF and your 4K TV which can't even do more actually? And we don't even know if these ~ 2TF will make themselves felt in the end?

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Remember the thread about how many likes Sony got in less time than MS?

Can we get a remix of that thread but showing downvotes? How many dislikes did Sony get compared to MS?

Or does that not matter?

 

[vpance]

OsirisBlack RT blue > RT green? Or is that changed today

 

[user1337]

Now to wait for the pricing for both. Probably won't be able to get both at the same time lol.

 

[longdi]

It's like Sony and Microsoft PR teams switched places.

Like i said long time ago. It is like Jim ryan got his boomer gen PR team running SCE.

 

[Zane Zaminski]

He talks so much.I just staring at the screen,and im so speechless.

 

[Chromata]

And guess what? The majority of games (3rd party) will not utilize it because they’ll develop for both consoles AND with PlayStation exclusives coming to PC, it’s a great time to invest in a console that play 3rd party games worse.

Multiplats aren't determinant of console success. Exclusives are. Wii, Switch, and PS4 stand as proof of that. The most powerful console is usually not the one that wins the console generation.

If PS5 exclusives accomplish things that XSX exclusives simply cannot because of the dramatically faster SSD, then that will matter far more than slightly better looking multiplats.

We know of 2 major PlayStation exclusives coming to PC (Horizon and Death Stranding). One is coming out on PC 3 years after its release, the other was planned to be on PC a long time ago. We can't assume PS5 exclusives are launching on PC too (even though I'd love if that were the case).

 

[hemo memo]

The x1x was also more powerful than the ps4 pro

Upgraded hardware vs new gen system?

 

[KingT731]

The XB1X has been faster than the PS4 Pro since it was announced and what difference did that make to people? None.

 

[Negotiator]

I'm curious to know if that "special sauce" 3D audio CU (modified to resemble an SPU-like processor) could be utilized in the future to offer PS3 BC...

 

[fabian_d]

Interested to see how Sony takes it from here. They should be looking to underprice the XSX at all costs. Also what about the form factor? They should be targeting something the size of the original PS4. If it's as big as the devkit they were showing then people may aswell buy the larger XSX and place it somewhere next to their TV.