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[Journey]

How do you know it doesn't have VRS or ML? Because Sony didn't mention it? Both are RDNA 2 base no? Maybe it will...

Watch the DF Direct PS5, they specifically mentioned how some RDNA 2 features were missing from the PS5 presentation and are possibly not present since the PS5 GPU is "Based" on RDNA2, but not necessarily contains ALL of the RDNA 2 features.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I love how Sony fanboys are trying to rationalize a weaker console by using the balancing tagline that Mark Cerny was throwing out during his presentation as high level speak as an excuse for lower specs than the Series X.

If you have nothing useful to add then kindly leave the thread. The OP is clear in his intent with this thread.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Oh really? So Fifa and COD will probably make their design decisions based on the PS5's SSD then.
Sony's first party studios are under tremendous pressure to justify this "balanced" design. If they dont come out with something unthinkable before, the PS5 could go down as the biggest technical blunder in recent memory. Not because their in their opinion innovative vision didn't satisfy the customer like the DRM/Kinect stuff. But because they went cheap and then panicked when they heard what the competition was up to.

Cerny consulted with hundreds of developers on this consoles design. Sony studios under tremendous pressure? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Also that is not how any of this works.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

A super fast SSD does not instantly make up for a much weaker GPU and a weaker CPU. Sorry.

Of course it won't. But read what from other camp trying to spin. And you can't explain it to them no matter how much you trying it. Btw. you know what Paul from RedGamingTech said in his video yesterday?

 

[SaltyMcSalt]

Apart from the fact that there was nothing on XBONES that was as fast vs PS4 vs some of these PS5 parts here against Series X......No one is talking about imaginary performance through the cloud either, people are talking design decisions and real silicon on the PS5 mainboard which removes bottlenecks from the GPU/CPU.....What we are talking here is tangible as opposed to imagined....

Well, i wish you much fun with your egg-laying wool milk sow wonder ssd, i prefer raw power.

 

[JLB]

mmm, where I heard that...?
Oh, yup:

http://www.gamechup.com/xbox-one-has-a-balanced-architecture-less-bottlenecks-penello/

 

[iJudged]

RTX 2080 have sustained 10.1 GFlops, is not 9.2 Gflops with peaks of 10.2 underclocking the cpu

i feel like this needs to explained over and over and over in every thread as well as how the SSD won't affect graphical fidelity of resolutions and or the FPS....

 

[VisualFidelity]

dat SSD tho LMFAO

I would gladly trade 5 seconds more loading for 25% more power. Microsoft hit a homerun with xbox specs. Price is the only thing that remains to be a big question. I would pay 599 for it.

 

[Moses85]

10gigs of its total pool of GDDR6 is superfast on Xbox, but.. will it be enough for nextgen games?

 

[iJudged]

dat SSD tho LMFAO

I would gladly trade 5 seconds more loading for 25% more power. Microsoft hit a homerun with xbox specs. Price is the only thing that remains to be a big question. I would pay 599 for it.

Hell yeah brother

 

[Filippos]

Microsoft is doing things in their hardware to make it best that they can. But Sony is doing things to their hardware to make it the best that they can.
I don’t believe the difference between these systems will be as significant as comparing individual components. How is it that a 400 HP Porsche can be faster than a 700 HP Corvette? — Overall it’s balance and trade offs and it’ll come down to the games.

 

[frogger]

Spin it faster to generate 2 extra TF.

 

[GamingKaiju]

Putting aside all this awesome sauce talk of SSD tech I think the big difference most will notice will be Ray Tracing implantation. Both manufactures have opted for different approaches with regards to RT. We know RT is super intensive on HW from the RTX line so whatever MS and Sony have cooked up will make the difference.

 

[Taco Time]

This thread 100% belongs in the GAF Hall of Fame.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Most people don’t even seem to understand what balance means. They are talking about price, power e.t.c. My first post in this thread that got quite a few likes (thank you very much) wasn’t about which console was more powerful, it was about balance. Balance in a machine is when you have all parts being about equal in sophistication and «power» thus creating a balanced machine . The ps5 has an extraordinary component , the SSD, and everything else underwhelming and not even close to the level of sophistication of its SSD, this isn’t what I would call a well balanced console. The series x on the other hand has every component being of a similar good to great level of power/sophistication, this is a well balanced console.

 

[Insane Metal]

Of course it won't. But read what from other camp trying to spin. And you can't explain it to them no matter how much you trying it. Btw. you know what Paul from RedGamingTech said in his video yesterday?

No, I haven't seen it. What did he say?

 

[Iced Arcade]

Sony just needs it's own Albert Penello now.

 

[Smaller than Atom]

Wonder what will be the new RROD in xbox. I see they are going again for "faster" console and i hope they wont try to save on parts like they did with xbox360.

The salt is so strong these days. oh my.

 

[Bankai]

You're currently at Stage 3: Bargaining.

Would have been a GREAT reply, thanks! Though.. you're way too slow, sorry. Six people posted this wayyyy earlier.

Are you on that slower 6gigs of Xbox SEX memory or something? Get with the program buddy.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

No, I haven't seen it. What did he say?

Something like - “In some work loads, the PS5 GPU will run as fast as the XSX GPU.” But we will see during end of the 2020 and first game comparisons.

 

[Filippos]

Something like - “In some work loads, the PS5 GPU will run as fast as the XSX GPU.” But we will see during end of the 2020 and first game comparisons.

Yeah, we will see that the Xbox series x Ports will look and run far better.
Just like ps4 games were better compared to Xbox one.
no biggie.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Has anyone made any stability jokes yet?

 

[Insane Metal]

dat SSD tho LMFAO

I would gladly trade 5 seconds more loading for 25% more power. Microsoft hit a homerun with xbox specs. Price is the only thing that remains to be a big question. I would pay 599 for it.

I don't understand the whole "but INSTANT LOAD! RAM FILLED IN <2s!!!" talk. I mean with compressed data the XSX is 4.8GB/s and PS5 8 or 9. Given the 16GB both systems have, that's a theoretical 3.3s for filling XSXs RAM and 2 or 1.77s for PS5. It's literally a blink on an eye. This narrative would only make sense if the difference was a lot bigger IMO.

 

[Bankai]

Has anyone made any stability jokes yet?

There's always room for some more

(what she said)

 

[Filippos]

I don't understand the whole "but INSTANT LOAD! RAM FILLED IN <2s!!!" talk. I mean with compressed data the XSX is 4.8GB/s and PS5 8 or 9. Given the 16GB both systems have, that's a theoretical 3.3s for filling XSXs RAM and 2 or 1.77s for PS5. It's literally a blink on an eye. This narrative would only make sense if the difference was a lot bigger IMO.

Yeah. If series X would still use an HDD, then it would make sense.

 

[Dory16]

Cerny consulted with hundreds of developers on this consoles design. Sony studios under tremendous pressure? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Also that is not how any of this works.

If you think that 2.3 GHZ clocks were the plan from the start you’re naive bro. Even in the github leak they were still at 2GHZ and DF was calling it way overclocked. The whole thing is a Hail Mary paraded as belief in a low CU count philosophy. Cerny ain’t fooling anyone. Read the reviews.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

There's always room for some more

(what she said)

Ok, here's one.

Knock knock

 

[Jonsoncao]

I think you guys fell for OP's impostoring effort.

Reading OP's replies, I am convinced that OP is an Xbox fanboy just playing the retard card to make Playstation fans looking bad.

Using Albert Penello's "balanced" card is kinda obvious.

 

[AntonioBanderasXsX]

Now there is a word I haven't heard, in a loong time

 

[Bryank75]

you mean that when i put the fastest ssd on the market to a system with gtx 1080ti and a midrange ssd to a system with rtx 2080ti that 1080ti will on paar?


faster ssd make only the load times in games better thats all and dont give you magical advantages...

The way that John Linneman explained it, is that the SSD and the flash controller that is in the PS5 acts almost like RAM.... so normally each generation needs to multiply the Ram by 16 to get what is needed.

The way PS5 gets around this is blurring the line between Ram and memory due to read speeds. 5.5 Raw and up to 19 gb compressed and optimized.

 

[Bigfroth]

Both systems address handicaps that plague consoles for generations, storage, and data speeds and sound. Sound is the unseen stepchild of game development lol it's been ignored for so long people don't realize how important it is. Old ass Mechanical HD Christ!! lol so fucking outdated these SSD's are going to be a paradigm shift in game development I can't wait. People that think the PS5 isn't going to produce kickass games because of a generic number are fucking nuts lol. they should have their mommy's rub Vic's on them to soothe the butthurt. lol fanboy wars.

 

[Gargus]

Please hear me out!

When someone's first sentence is please hear me or please listen to me. I dont read any further.

 

[Bryank75]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

Ups and downs

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

Ups and downs

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

id like to see him attach names to these quotes but I get it

hopefully this is all true

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

Man, these goal posts are getting a work out!

 

[MilkyJoe]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

Ups and downs

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

The same fantasy we see every time new consoles are announced.

 

[Filippos]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

Secret dGPU confirmed. And this „different people“ - do they work for a Sony dev by coincidence?

 

[Deeper Underground]

I don't understand the whole "but INSTANT LOAD! RAM FILLED IN <2s!!!" talk. I mean with compressed data the XSX is 4.8GB/s and PS5 8 or 9. Given the 16GB both systems have, that's a theoretical 3.3s for filling XSXs RAM and 2 or 1.77s for PS5. It's literally a blink on an eye. This narrative would only make sense if the difference was a lot bigger IMO.

You don’t understand because you probably shut your brain off after you saw 10.3TF where Cerny explains how it works.

 

[Bryank75]

The same fantasy we see every time new consoles are announced.

Well, I've been thinking a lot about it over the last few hours as I was out driving... (and I am very partial to PlayStation so keep it in mind)

BUT... PS5 will have games like Horizon 2, Spiderman 2 and other exclusives over the first 2 years while Xbox only has upscaled Xbox One games.

By the time Xbox gets any exclusives PlayStation will have a mid-gen upgrade I assume. So I think that is what I am doing along with a new PC when Nvidia release their new cards.

There is no real point for me to buy an XBox Sx for Assassins Creed or something like that, I rarely play them.

 

[TBiddy]

I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

Just on this board, we have at least 20 people saying that. That doesn't really make it true.

 

[policestationx]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

My Subaru seems more balanced than your Ferrari

 

[Bryank75]

Just on this board, we have at least 20 people saying that. That doesn't really make it true.

Obviously he is referencing industry people in the know that are experienced with both pieces of hardware.

 

[CJY]

People comparing PS5 tech talk to “TV TV TV Kinect NFL cloud TV TV” are seriously dreaming.

 

[TBiddy]

Obviously he is referencing industry people in the know that are experienced with both pieces of hardware.

I know. It's just such a non-statement. "Superior in a lot of ways." Why not spill the beans? Which ways are we talking?

We all know the SSD part. What else? Looks? Number of available HDMI ports? Amount of secret GPUs hidden?

 

[Azelover]

Yeah, it's a minor difference.

I think that the fact that Xbox SeX games will be cross compatible, and they won't be entirely custom made for one hardware, may end up giving the PS5 an edge. In practical terms.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Well, I've been thinking a lot about it over the last few hours as I was out driving... (and I am very partial to PlayStation so keep it in mind)

BUT... PS5 will have games like Horizon 2, Spiderman 2 and other exclusives over the first 2 years while Xbox only has upscaled Xbox One games.

By the time Xbox gets any exclusives PlayStation will have a mid-gen upgrade I assume. So I think that is what I am doing along with a new PC when Nvidia release their new cards.

There is no real point for me to buy an XBox Sx for Assassins Creed or something like that, I rarely play them.

Unless exclusives next gen include a holodeck, then it's going to make no difference whatsoever. Compare FH2 on xbox one to 360. All they are doing is supporting the X for an additional year.

 

[godhandiscen]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now."



Time is truly cyclical. These spins read like MisterXMedia level stuff from way back when the Xbox One was announced. I bet the next set of rumors around the PS5 will be:

A hidden hardware piece that has never been talked about, which gives the PS5 extra Teraflops.
Secrete sauce Sony only API that multiplies the performance of the existing hardware.
OS optimizations that make up for the lack of hardware power, which allow games to run better.
...
...

Sony with the PS5 is in almost the same position Microsoft was with the Xbox One. Microsoft bet hard on the Kinect at the cost of GPU performance, and Sony bet hard on their SSD at the cost of GPU performance. The difference here is that the SSD might be actually worth it in the long term. This generation is exciting, the last time Microsoft was DOA.

 

[iHaunter]

Does not matter if it is more balanced. Xbox SeX is like 25% more powerful than PS5. I hope Sony is targeting a lower price tag.

Yet another person who isn't an engineer and doesn't get how the design of the PS5 is actually meant to operate. It doesn't matter how strong the Xbox is if your SSD can't have enough bandwidth to load all the scenes on one screen. PS5 is more balanced and focused on the SSD raw bandwidth so it can be more efficient with loading and off-setting the hardware requirements.

 

[Sota4077]

PS5 'Superior' to Xbox Series X in a Lot of Ways, But Devs Seem Disappointed by Sony's Communication

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"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."

We saw this same thing when the Xbox One was weaker. We saw Albert Panello talking about how "balanced" the console is. We saw silly car comparisons to Porchse and Camero. We've seen this movie before. Sony has lost when it comes to tech specs. If you cannot handle that then buy the Xbox Series X. If you can then stick with the PS5. That is all the discussion that needs to even take place on the subject. On this front Microsoft have beaten Sony. Sony still has better exclusives. Microsoft still have the value of service. Sony have VR. Microsoft do not.

Ya'll really gotta stop with all these idiotic justifications for shit and believing that a SSD is going to negate a 2-3TF power difference and a slower clock on hardware across the board. It's NOT going to happen. Whomever Jason Schreier is in contact with are not talking about tech specs. They are talking about cool features of the console. Just stop. This battle of tech specs is over and Sony lost. Move on to the next silly ass console war bulletpoint you want to argue to make yourself feel more secure in your plastic box purchase.