VanSiriusGabriel
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Really? Me? How I could even try to ban you? Lol
It was a joke goddamit, a joke.
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It was a joke goddamit, a joke.
Reindeer
Member
It was proven otherwise, DF said Xbox team did a benchmark for them and it was on par with 2080 at 4K without new enhancements, which is a far cry from 100FPS at 4K that even 2080TI cannot do.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
So they gave an exact frame rate because I didn't watch that video?
I will still go by whats on the official Xbox news blog vs vague yeah it runs like this statement otherwise.
WhiteEagle
Neo Member
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Even a 15% percent real-world difference in performance is easily mitigated by dropping around 4 settings from 'Ultra' to 'High' quality on PC. I think the difference from flat 'Ultra' to flat 'High' on TW3 was ~37% increase in performance when I tested it. Unless RT performs much better on XSX, I doubt there will be any resolution or frame rate difference. Just some different quality settings.
We're reaching a point of diminishing returns, and engines are much more flexible. Everyone will be happy with what they get. I think $499 on both systems will be the mark, and they'll be worth it.
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Agnostic2020
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OsirisBlack
apparently you said too fats ps5 is weak .many devs its performing better than xsx based on what Jason hears from the dev..
Maybe your dev friends were telling you it performs better didn't mean pure TF ?
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Lunatic_Gamer
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Games is what will win next gen sales wars for Sony. Not tflops. Not my virtual penis is bigger than yours kinda talk. Games. Games always win. PS5 is gonna be awesome. XSX is gonna be awesome too. To be honest I don’t give a shit about dumb plastic wars. I’ll be buying both on day one. And if you’re a real gamer and can afford both you should too. 
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This!
tryDEATH
Member
Let's lay off the blatant, low effort console warring.
The shilling is really getting out of control now, you got these "gaming journalists" 90% of which are PS fanbois losing their sh*t and redirecting.
Can anyone in their right mind imagine if the roles were reversed. In what sort of state would the gaming discussion be, be it on social media or forums if Xbox came out and said guys we got a really fast SSD, a dope Audio engine for audiophiles, and the back compatibility program has about 100 games at launch.
People would be pissing themselves right now, mocking, and ridiculing Xbox till kingdom come.
NeoGaf would probably get a name change to psGaf while turning into the epicenter of the largest circle jerk in recorded history, with all the passengers on that PS5 hype-train being granted honorary moderator status as hero's of another won war.
Sony really got you guys stuck in a Stockholm syndrome with this lackluster reveal and its showing. The lack of coping mechanisms from you guys over just some system specs has me concerned how you guys will cope in irl with this pandemic.
That ML with Back Comp alone is going to blow peoples mind away once we get our hands on it, as it will give new visual breath to many games this generation and older that we haven't ever seen yet is being completely ignored.
Can anyone in their right mind imagine if the roles were reversed. In what sort of state would the gaming discussion be, be it on social media or forums if Xbox came out and said guys we got a really fast SSD, a dope Audio engine for audiophiles, and the back compatibility program has about 100 games at launch.
People would be pissing themselves right now, mocking, and ridiculing Xbox till kingdom come.
NeoGaf would probably get a name change to psGaf while turning into the epicenter of the largest circle jerk in recorded history, with all the passengers on that PS5 hype-train being granted honorary moderator status as hero's of another won war.
Sony really got you guys stuck in a Stockholm syndrome with this lackluster reveal and its showing. The lack of coping mechanisms from you guys over just some system specs has me concerned how you guys will cope in irl with this pandemic.
That ML with Back Comp alone is going to blow peoples mind away once we get our hands on it, as it will give new visual breath to many games this generation and older that we haven't ever seen yet is being completely ignored.
FranXico
Member
Looks like they're back in good terms with Sony.
Moses85
Member
As a fucking German I don’t give a shit about 10-15 seconds of loading time.
Without loading times I do not have enough time to get another cold beer from the fridge when it’s empty.
Nobody had that in mind at Sony!
This whole Next Gen Shit made me crazy!
Asylum, I am on my way!
Without loading times I do not have enough time to get another cold beer from the fridge when it’s empty.
Nobody had that in mind at Sony!
This whole Next Gen Shit made me crazy!
Asylum, I am on my way!
Reindeer
Member
Well we know that 2080TI is 15% faster than 2080 and it can only do 60FPS at 4K Ultra.
SonGoku
Member
Isn't better to drop rez and maintain feature parity?
Console games dont tend to use ineficient effects/settings that tank performance for minimum difference anyways
I don't expect much focus on RTX from either, maybe that will be midgen refresh consoles selling point?
HeisenbergFX4
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II_JumPeR_I
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He is hearing what he wants to hear... god i really cant stand this damage control
Self High Five
Member
Jeez. Jason is probably the most neutral journo out there. You know you're doing it right when you can piss off both camps.
Reindeer
Member
Dude, Xbox blog doesn't mention the resolution or the settings of the 100FPS, it could be 1440p for all we know. This is vastly different to some people claiming it was running 4K Ultra 100FPS. Not sure where you are going with this.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I’ve stuck up for Jason a fair bit before now but he seems to be doing a touch too much of the old damage control to me...?
xool
Member
Everything xbox is on https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/03/16/xbox-series-x-tech/ (or here https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/consoles/xbox-series-x )
If you want more internals there are were two official third party hands on so far :
Austin Evans
Digital Foundry
i don't think any PS5 images are out. not even one. (just some fakes and mockups) .. apart from the dekits .. and prototype DS5s
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ThaMonkeyClaw
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It will be interesting to see how everything pans out, it was kind of disappointing to see that it only topped out at 10.28TF, but overall it still isn't bad.
I kind of want to see a full breakdown of both systems including all the custom co-processors, etc. because I am wondering if maybe the PS5 has more custom co-processors to handle certain tasks (3D audio, custom Kraken compression engine, etc.) where the XSX will have to shuttle those tasks to the CPU or GPU. Worst case scenario we will just see 1440p checkerboard rendered to 4K on PS5 versus native 4K on XSX, which personally I am fine with.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
He blocked me on twitter now because i probably called him out on his behaviour... way to go Jason
Agnostic2020
Member
Haha it is tony bit amusing to see people get mad when devs like ps5
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
You're 100% right, we don't know so without facts no argument is valid one way or the other.
People saying 4k 100fps is just as right as people saying "well we think it could be 1440 or maybe 1080 heck they may have dropped to 720 to get 100"
Everyone is right
48086
Member
"You gamers are too dumb to understand. Maybe your microscopic brains will get it one day."
II_JumPeR_I
Member
He clearly isnt neutral at all the last 24 hours... all this magic sauce and devs telling him that the PS5 will change reality and will bring us time travel... etc..
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Reindeer
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But they're not saying 1440p or 1080p, they're saying it's 4K Ultra and that's just not possible with hardware at hand.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You forgot Yves Guillemot
HeisenbergFX4
@BGs
Gavin Stevens
some of these just vanished from this thread.
all these riddles nonsense makes me feel stupid for some reason
Fucker said almost all of the back catalog of the previous consoles
And will be something new to the industry
Not just PS4.
And even Xbox Series X is kinda unclear if all games from the past will be BC
it maybe just the current XB1/360 available on Xbox One with few new additions and almost all Xbox One games.
xool
Member
I have to agree - Shreier is looking paid right now.
Jeez - these journalists basically lied to everyone right up to -1 hour about performance. Then one day later people are back, saying "oh did you just hear what Jason said" - it's like people and politicians - dumb people never learn.
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Reindeer
Member
This reminds me about all these devs talking about how excited they were about PS5 hardware over the Xbox hardware. I fell for that and I ain't falling for that again.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I understand what you are saying trust me I do.
Its not possible to correct someone because you think you are right since you dont have numbers to show them.
You seem to be missing my point.
Reindeer
Member
DF already told us that it performs on par with 2080 on game's benchmark, that's all the data one needs.
geordiemp
Member
I am not, My Ps4 pro does checkerboard 4k now, I expect Ps5 to do 4K60 for the next 7 years as its next gen, that was my expectation, ray tracing was not high on my list, I just want a solid 4K60 and would pay for it.
Ps5 is great for tommy in his bedroom.
Sony should of done a ps5 pro for enthusiasts and people who want more than a $400 system - crazy.
And the technology is available now for a ps5 pro, I dont want to have to wait 3 years and buy 2 systems to get what should of been available this year except for some tight ass bean counter at Sony HQ living in the last decade.
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II_JumPeR_I
Member
Yeah i dont get why its to hard to accept for a lot of folks that Sony wasnt aiming for most power? Price was probably a big reason too. PS5 is still probably a bit expensive. I dont expect either Console under 450€
Reindeer
Member
You have to understand that devs say these things because PlayStation is so dominant and a leading platform for their games. Their games also sell better on PlayStation so obviously they gonna favour it and praise it. It's just a load of BS at the end of the day and one shouldn't pay too much attention to it.
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SonGoku
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The SEX looks so good
Real PS5 devkits pic or mockups?
Gamernyc78
Banned
You got paid for this? You shouod
smh. Some of the most vocal fanboys and Schills are Xbox fans as well so stop the bs and I'm glad you have full grasp of the potential of the hardware.Thy definitely need to hire you lol
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Xenon
Member
This makes absolutely no sense unless games constantly required data reads for every function. Are there some advantages to the PS5, yes. But if this was true the N64 would have been the best system of its generation. Memory access can only take you so far.
Was this dev Alex Kurtzman? That would explain the logic.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So not actually fully backwards compatible with all Xbox Generations.
Yves you lying son of bitch!!
Fake
Member
There is a pic of a PS5 matching the design on presentation yesterday.
Agnostic2020
Member
Wasn't that fake ? Can you show me which min in stream ?
48086
Member
This is a video game forum you dolt.
Fake
Member
Gonna find.
xool
Member
Real ones = first we got design patents (around Aug 2020)
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
It means 10-13TF is the range If the 2GHz leak is real i estimate CU count its within the 44-52 range. 44 @2000MHz = 11.2TF 48 @2000MHz = 12.28TF 52 @2000MHz = 13.3TF Reminds me of Reddit insider post a while back where they said people would be disappointed with the specs and continued on...
then a "cleaner" posted images of the devkits :
I think that's everything
[edit - there's a new DS5 - looks almost the same as the DS4 - but not quite - one in the pic I think]
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