Nani?
EDIT: There's also some interesting stuffs in the comments, like this:
Series X went straight down to 9.6 tflops and it's only been 3 days. The damage control is getting ridiculous
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It's Fake News, just have to look who is posting and what their agenda is. That guy is a hardcore PS fanboy, not even sure why people think it's a good idea to post stuff from people are spew such delusion all the time.
So we shouldn't listen to first party developers who like anything about the PS5, but the opinion of first party Xbox developers about Xbox features is important?
Series X went straight down to 9.6 tflops and it's only been 3 days
It is kind off.
You are completely ignoring Gossens statements and making assumptions. Please address Gossens statements without dismissing what he's saying as an Xbox architect . As well as in comparison to Cernys statements. You assume they are the same because of AMD being the common denominator and ignoring the architects' , both of them, statements which could indicate differences as stated.
I got the feeling the AMD patent shows RT build in the CUs for RDNA2.It appears from the presentation that the RT solutions from ps5 compared to XSX is different. In summary, appears to be superior on the XSX.
Cerny says it's built into the cu ie...would be limited by the CUs, not dedicated but accelerated by the enhanced CU hardware. Effectively, with RT, the ps5 CUs get used for that purpose.
Whereas in the DF article on Eurogamer Andrew Gossen said the XSX was separate..ie .dedicated, hence the 25 TF number he stated because it runs separate and in parallel. Like it's a separate piece of hardware. Sounds much stronger in RT than ps5 because it can run in parallel non the X. Like "could have been done in shaders"(but isn't like it's done in the ps5", "offloaded onto dedicated hardware" and "run in parallel with full performance"(separate, in addition to, unlike ps5),...which he States is why he is saying 25TFs if ran with Ray tracing on.
I quote, and note the differences vs ps5:
"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."
XSX Ray tracing sounds much stronger because of additional, separate, dedicated hardware that can run in parallel...ie...25TFs with Ray tracing. Which is like Nvidia s separate RT cores, MS appears to have a separate block of AMD RT cores. It even sounds like MS can use the CUs cores together with the separate AMD RT cores together for the "25TFs" of Ray tracing , which I wonder if the full path Minecraft Ray tracing is doing..ie .using more than just the dedicated block?
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And based on the fact that Cerny previously routed rapid pack math..ie..fp16 for the PS4 pro(8TFs fp16 talk anyone?) but but makes no mention similar to Gossen in Cernys tech , dev friendly deep dive in regards to RT(like Gossens 25 TFs) like he does comparing PS4 CUs to Ps5 CUs equivalency...and does state it's built in...makes me think they are different in this way....ps5 built in to CUs vs XSX additional dedicated hardware.
Sony isn't touting RT to the same degree and performance level that MS is.
I am not saying this is for sure, but if I had to say, this appears to be the case based on the details that have been shared so far from both sides.
I am still a ps guy, but i will call out fud when i see it.I always thought you were a PS guy and now all what you do is downplay Sony & the PS5 tech.
Have you been playing an stupid astroturfing game all this time? Is it time to spread dissapointment?
If you are just "disappointed" with the PS5, get a XSX, man and stop the autoflagellation
I still can't accept that the target wont be 60 fps only for better graphics at this point.
Well Europe is way better than Brasil for that.My PSN is US and funny thing is even a telecom company (Omantel) provides US, UK, and Local Omani gift cards. You can find those gift cards around here as well.
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I know, I'm saying the colors are biased. Just a random colouring based on person interpretation...
Yeah I was mostly talking about the XSX v. PS5 comparison. The colouring is biased and even wrong sometimes.
exactly. they even mentioned that in presentation. many times. people just see TF and that is it. the presentation was really good if you are not blind.
It appears from the presentation that the RT solutions from ps5 compared to XSX is different. In summary, appears to be superior on the XSX.
Cerny says it's built into the cu ie...would be limited by the CUs, not dedicated but accelerated by the enhanced CU hardware. Effectively, with RT, the ps5 CUs get used for that purpose.
Whereas in the DF article on Eurogamer Andrew Gossen said the XSX was separate..ie .dedicated, hence the 25 TF number he stated because it runs separate and in parallel. Like it's a separate piece of hardware. Sounds much stronger in RT than ps5 because it can run in parallel non the X. Like "could have been done in shaders"(but isn't like it's done in the ps5", "offloaded onto dedicated hardware" and "run in parallel with full performance"(separate, in addition to, unlike ps5),...which he States is why he is saying 25TFs if ran with Ray tracing on.
I quote, and note the differences vs ps5:
"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."
XSX Ray tracing sounds much stronger because of additional, separate, dedicated hardware that can run in parallel...ie...25TFs with Ray tracing. Which is like Nvidia s separate RT cores, MS appears to have a separate block of AMD RT cores. It even sounds like MS can use the CUs cores together with the separate AMD RT cores together for the "25TFs" of Ray tracing , which I wonder if the full path Minecraft Ray tracing is doing..ie .using more than just the dedicated block?
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …
And based on the fact that Cerny previously routed rapid pack math..ie..fp16 for the PS4 pro(8TFs fp16 talk anyone?) but but makes no mention similar to Gossen in Cernys tech , dev friendly deep dive in regards to RT(like Gossens 25 TFs) like he does comparing PS4 CUs to Ps5 CUs equivalency...and does state it's built in...makes me think they are different in this way....ps5 built in to CUs vs XSX additional dedicated hardware.
Sony isn't touting RT to the same degree and performance level that MS is.
I am not saying this is for sure, but if I had to say, this appears to be the case based on the details that have been shared so far from both sides.
Can someone elaborate on this?
Took like 9 seconds to load state of decay. Yikes!
Which is also what PS5 does, right? Seems strange that are both mistaken.
I was wondering why the ponies stopped posting this image.
That's the point. First party devs count for both, Schreirer is not what he was talking about.
Further still if I was a dev porting a 3rd party game over I would be aiming for 4K 6fps. Loading those assets in wouldnt break a sweat on the Ps5 so I almost feel the port is super easy. Then you'd have to optimise using the tools you have. In very demanding scenes you could probably move assets in and out very quickly to free up the gpu load and bring them in when needed. This would allow you to maintain performance. Again when there are lots of CPU related things happening you could for that instant rely again on offloading the gpu even further by removing assets into memory allowing you to channel more power to the CPU to do the intensive task it needs and then in an instant flick the switch back over and normalise the load. I reckon well find 3rd party games if we're just aiming for 4k 60fps to be absolutely locked at that and get ultra graphic fidelity with the degree of control the Ps5 will have.
i think carmac ment traditional audio chip not these 3d audio chips which are in both next-gen consoles.
