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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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ricardo_sousa11

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USA now third country with most infected, and sets a record for daily new cases.

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Croatoan

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NeoIkaruGAF said:
This is, to put it bluntly, a crock of shit.

State-paid Italian doctors get good, even very good, salaries. It's actually those in the private system that work for peanuts in many cases. If you work in the private sector in Italy, you're either a very important and well-publicized specialist (preferably a "primario", ie the director of a hospital ward who can also work in the private sector, or a university professor - one can be both) or you usually have to work your ass off in more than one place to get a decent salary. Also the biggest problem in Italy isn't even the salaries, but the impossibly high taxes. It's virtually guaranteed at this point that when the Covid situation is behind us, loss of income and unemployment will go hand in hand with a tax boost for those who still have a job.

There's a lot of brilliant doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers in Italy, and their education, contrary to popular belief, is not worse than the education you can get in America.
Therefore, this sentence:



is complete bullshit. Pure slander.





Death cause reporting is less straightforward than you'd think.
In the case of AIDS, yes, the cause of death if a person dies from infection is almost always considered AIDS, because AIDS is the primary cause of the immune deficiency that belies infection. Similarly, if you have hypertension and get a hemorragic stroke, the primary cause of the event is hypertension. Death cause reporting must take into account the primary cause and all its consequences.

This is why there's a lot of debate in Italy these days to distinguish people who died "because" of Covid and "with" Covid. Covid pneumonia may be the "final" cause of death, but if you had COPD, cancer or end-stage diabetes or renal failure before getting infected, your previous conditions play a primary role and should be considered the so-called "initial" cause of death. If the "final" cause of death was reported as the actual cause of death every time, you'd have no casualties from diabetes or hypertension because it's not those conditions that actually kill you, but their consequences (stroke, heart attack, infection, etc).
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Everything I posted came from an Italian-american doctor so if he is full of shit so be it.
 
Setzer

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Jtibh said:
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  • Massive surge in number of deaths and cases in UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, and France
Slow news day.
But tomorrow....
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Where are you getting your data from?

Germany had +2,516 new cases today compared to +4,528 yesterday and deaths were down from +24 yesterday to +16 today.
Italy - +5,986/+627 cases/deaths yesterday up to +6,557/+793 today. Wouldn't call it a massive surge and especially knowing their death count from the virus isn't being accurately reported.
And I wouldn't call UK's and Spain's #'s "massive" surges either compared to their #'s yesterday.
 
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Croatoan said:
Everything I posted came from an Italian-american doctor so if he is full of shit so be it.
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I can't tell you the amount of people who have come into this thread with a post starting with "I just talked to a doctor friend of mine and they said...."

1) Most doctors are not experts on this virus.
2) Most doctors are not public health experts.
3) If a doctor gives you a political opinion like your friend, its just that - their personal political opinion. Chances are, there are just as many doctors who have the opposite opinion.
 
SushiReese

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ManaByte said:
Every cable news channel keeps a rolling death number on the screen. But not the recovered number. I wonder why that is?
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Based on data from Asian countries, average new confirmed patient takes 10-20 days to treat and have to keep in quarantine observation for at least 2-3 weeks before it was discharged as"recovered". That's why cov-19 infected seniors would overwhelm and crash medical system so easily. Reporting recovered cases are type of useless now before we hit the peak.
 
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Kazza said:
For anybody curious about what life in China (outside of Wuhan) is like right now, I can't recommend this 10 minute from a Japanese reporter highly enough:



I don't live in Nanjing (where this was filmed), but the situation is exactly the same in the Chinese city where I am living. Note that the situation was very different last month, where pretty much everything was closed except for food markets etc. As you can see from the video, right now there is a kind of semi-lockdown in place. Only time will tell if this will be enough to prevent a resurgence of the virus here.
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Thanks for sharing. Completely insane. That fictional dystopian future is China today.
 
Rei dos Vermes

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I have news from Brazil.

Despite having only 1128 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 18 deaths, we're under quarantine since yesterday. A semi-lockdown is in effect and people are working from home when possible. Everything is closed but drug and food stores.
 
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Joe T. said:
Might have missed it, but has anyone been able to verify this story or if the Japanese source reporting it is reliable:

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this is twisted as fuck if true

life has no value there if you're no fan bing bing

edit: my country is also fucked now, the government won't let the lockdown happen because it will instantly tanking our economy, and some of religious fanatics doesn't want to do social distancing, because they afraid god more than corona chan
 
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Jtibh

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Setzer said:
Where are you getting your data from?

Germany had +2,516 new cases today compared to +4,528 yesterday and deaths were down from +24 yesterday to +16 today.
Italy - +5,986/+627 cases/deaths yesterday up to +6,557/+793 today. Wouldn't call it a massive surge and especially knowing their death count from the virus isn't being accurately reported.
And I wouldn't call UK's and Spain's #'s "massive" surges either compared to their #'s yesterday.
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Anyone esle would like to answer this?
 
HarryKS

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Bitches, if USA's not NUMERO UNO, it does not count. So they're gonna do what they must now to catch up. The best and the worst at times.
 
SushiReese

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Biggest jump in USA's number so far, nearly 7000+ new reported cases on Saturday alone, and more than the half(3785+) of new cases came from NY because of NY's aggressive testing method.


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NY state alone(20 million population) now has more confirmed cases than South Korea(8895 cases/50 million population) today and will suppress France's number(15000 cases/67 million population)tomorrow at this pace .

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I expect situation in California,Washington and Florida would be as bad as NY if we conduct enough testings.
 
autoduelist

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SLoWMoTIoN said:
You know shit is fucked when Trump is asking for advice from this dude.
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Trump and Sharpton were friends and business associates back in the day. Trump donated tons to the black community and to Sharpton's causes.

Imho Sharpton sold him out when it became cool to call Trump racist.

www.mediaite.com

Donald Trump Had Close Working Relationship with Al Sharpton

Donald Trump had a working relationship with Al Sharpton, including doing favors for the racial activist and giving him thousands in donations.
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National Review reports that Sharpton and Trump first became partners in the 1980’s when Trump wanted to sell Atlantic City’s casinos as a tourist destination. He reached out to Sharpton to help bring famed boxing announcer Don King into his corner, and the pair became regular boxing buddies and occasional business associates.

Trump went on to donate “anywhere between $20,000 and $150,000” to Sharpton’s charity the National Youth Movement. News reports during Sharpton’s 2004 presidential run listed Trump as one of Sharpton’s “mentors.”
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cryptoadam

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Rentahamster said:
Don't be stupid people, wait for confirmed data before taking matters into your own hands, especially if you're not a doctor yourself.

www.bloomberg.com

Nigeria Has Chloroquine Poisonings After Trump Praised Drug

Nigeria reported two cases of chloroquine poisoning after U.S. President Donald Trump praised the anti-malaria drug as a treatment for the novel coronavirus.
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So 2 people overdosed on the the drug because of Trump? I mean I know the US leader is important, but you didn't see people in other countries running out and buying it. And the Australians, Chinese and French have all said the same thing about the drug. You could read an Aussie news story about it like 10 days ago.

Me thinks bloomberg added in a bit of editorializing and scare stream media tactics. People buying the drug, then mention Trumps speech and create the connection between 2 un connected events.
 
cryptoadam

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Kazza said:
For anybody curious about what life in China (outside of Wuhan) is like right now, I can't recommend this 10 minute from a Japanese reporter highly enough:




I don't live in Nanjing (where this was filmed), but the situation is exactly the same in the Chinese city where I am living. Note that the situation was very different last month, where pretty much everything was closed except for food markets etc. As you can see from the video, right now there is a kind of semi-lockdown in place. Only time will tell if this will be enough to prevent a resurgence of the virus here.
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This is some of the most insane shit I have ever seen. I mean literal movie or videogame level stuff here.

Welcome to the future.
 
cryptoadam

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Welp time to turn to the dark side.

Don't really see a way of stopping this. We will be in this thread soon at a few million. Even flattening the curve means basically a surveillance state. Basically probably going to go out each day knowing based on your age you got a % chance of catching it and dying that day.

I guess the only good news is at some point people will get infected, survive and then be immune (as long as it doesn't mutate) but its going to be ugly getting there. Unless a miracle hail mary comes out of nowhere.
 
Setzer

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cryptoadam said:
Welp time to turn to the dark side.

Don't really see a way of stopping this. We will be in this thread soon at a few million. Even flattening the curve means basically a surveillance state. Basically probably going to go out each day knowing based on your age you got a % chance of catching it and dying that day.

I guess the only good news is at some point people will get infected, survive and then be immune (as long as it doesn't mutate) but its going to be ugly getting there. Unless a miracle hail mary comes out of nowhere.
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Sucks you're giving up hope. You were one of the sane few posting here. Yes, lots of people are going to get infected...probably millions but this isn't going to wipe out humanity like some people on here believe. The numbers here in the US and in some other countries in terms of the CFR are probably close to what we can expect with this virus in terms of people dying. Right now we have 300k+ confirmed cases but it wouldn't surprise me if there was twice that infected with it right now. Here in the US we have 26k confirmed cases and like 340 deaths which is something like 1.2% but I bet the total # of actual people infected with this right now is somewhere in the 40-50k range or more, which means the % of people dying from this is more than likely less than 1%.

Also, there is hope with treatment and the use of HydroxyChloroquine. They interviewed a Doctor at a local NY hospital which started using the drug last week even before Trump's announcement and the FDA approval and so far they've had 0 deaths and more than 300 patients are being treated at that particular hospital, all showing signs of improvement since starting the drug.

There is hope but it's just going to be a long, tough road to get there. Try and stay positive.
 
cryptoadam

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Setzer said:
Sucks you're giving up hope. You were one of the sane few posting here. Yes, lots of people are going to get infected...probably millions but this isn't going to wipe out humanity like some people on here believe. The numbers here in the US and in some other countries in terms of the CFR are probably close to what we can expect with this virus in terms of people dying. Right now we have 300k+ confirmed cases but it wouldn't surprise me if there was twice that infected with it right now. Here in the US we have 26k confirmed cases and like 340 deaths which is something like 1.2% but I bet the total # of actual people infected with this right now is somewhere in the 40-50k range or more, which means the % of people dying from this is more than likely less than 1%.

Also, there is hope with treatment and the use of HydroxyChloroquine. They interviewed a Doctor at a local NY hospital which started using the drug last week even before Trump's announcement and the FDA approval and so far they've had 0 deaths and more than 300 patients are being treated at that particular hospital, all showing signs of improvement since starting the drug.

There is hope but it's just going to be a long, tough road to get there. Try and stay positive.
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Thanks for the words. I will try and stay positive.

I haven't given up hope, but I don't see a quick reversal of the situation. We are not even close to the peak right now.

Basically there are 2 hopes right now. Either a miracle drug/testing solution works. Which I hope happens and thanks for the story about the NY Doctor that gives me hope about it. I would just be weary right now because alot of people want to make a name or money for themselves.

Second option is that enough people get it that they are immune and can go back to living a normal life. If it is true that there are a metric ton of people infected that we don't know about, that means there are also a crap ton of people who will be immune since they aren't dropping dead. Thats why we need the tests that can tell us who was already infected not just who has it.

But I just don't see the caes/deaths dropping for now.
 
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