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[S0ULZB0URNE]

SF5 is available on Steam so not exclusive.

And KI is available on Windows

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

There's too many credible people saying otherwise

The difference won't be staggering and PS5 is likely superior in a lot of ways like it was stated

Yup
So neither can be considered the winner.

I expect P5 exclusives to blow away XSX exclusives.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

I always think the Boost Mode argument of the PS5 is weird. If Microsoft implemented their own version of boost mode, would the XsX gain another teraflop? So PS5 is 10 and XsX would be 13 14?

 

[Hobbygaming]

Xbox fans are without PS5 bad news to rely on tweet from Timdog’s buddies posted on March 15-16

It's funny how everyone is saying different than this guy who likes to retweet Xbox, Larry Hyrb, Mike Ybarra (when he was still at Xbox)

And is friends with TimDog and Jez Corden lol

 

[Redlight]

There's too many credible people saying otherwise

The difference won't be staggering and PS5 is likely superior in a lot of ways like it was stated

This reads like a cut and paste from the 'Github must be fake' era.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Yup
So neither can be considered the winner.

I expect P5 exclusives to blow away XSX exclusives.

Yep, PS5 exclusives are going to be showcases for next generation hardware

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Yep, PS5 exclusives are going to be showcases for next generation hardware

And XsX exclusives won’t?

 

[SleepDoctor]

Everyone shits on timdog but in the end he was right and Osiris was way off. By what 3 tf?

But narratives of course lol

 

[semicool]

Everyone shits on timdog but in the end he was right and Osiris was way off. By what 3 tf?

But narratives of course lol

Funny isn't it

 

[SleepDoctor]

Funny isn't it

Best part is even Osiris claimed the dev kits were loud and ran hot but they also ignored that and just ran with the 13tf. Thats whyyou can't take anything they say seriously.

 

[semicool]

Best part is even Osiris claimed the dev kits were loud and ran hot but they also ignored that and just ran with the 13tf. Thats whyyou can't take anything they say seriously.

I know and to top it off, they were running hot and loud according to his, Osiris' actual Intel and it now most likely runs even hotter and louder with that reaction to MS and boosted their clocks even higher.

 

[vdopey]

Literally the games will speak. All of the rest of this is marketing pr and bullshit. The only truth will be the games, lets see what Sony can produce and what Microsoft can produce, according to you guys the xsx is 40% more powerful, the ssd is some bullshit secret sauce, etc etc...

The only proof here is the games, lets see what true next gen games are about what Microsoft has cooking to show off that supposed 40% advantage (how 10tf to 12tf == 40% I have no idea, but whatever) and lets see if Sony's ssd and custom silicon adds anything.

If it turns out that TF difference turns out to be no where near that and that the ssd and the custom silicon Sony have cooked up really does make a difference what then ?

I personally think the difference in 3rd party will be negligible, None of the 3rd parties are going to make proper use of Sonys silicon, its easier to make compromises in both consoles to suit the middle ground than to try to optimise to each consoles main strength. The real story will be in 1st party offerings and this is where there will either be magic or there will be disappointment that is really how this story goes, a random developer or a random tech blogger or a random games site journalist trying to embellish the specs and provide their own speculations on how things might work, is just that just speculation.

I have read enough rumours and general discussions to be bored of all of the speculation, the real and only truth will be what Microsoft and Sony deliver, it is up to them to prove their consoles, their R&D, their decisions, its not my job or any one else's, they need to either put up or shut up.

I reckon MS may have an ace up its sleeve, they may be able to boost the gpu to 2GHz, but this all comes down to power draw, Sony may have an ace up their sleeve, they may boost memory bandwidth speed.

Ultimately just remember its your hard earned cash going into these systems, are Microsoft going to nickel & dime customers with their proprietary nvme disk expansion ? Will they produce complete wank games again this gen, just rehashing the same shit over and over ?

Will Sony go full: Churning out social justice warrior games and produce tonnes of games that just cater to a very niche gaming crowd ? Is Mark Cerny talking complete crap about their boost mode and does it really run at some wanky 9TF ? Will it sound like a jet engine ?

The even bigger question, what bullshit scheme will drive next gen ? What sort of bullshit can third parties and first parties generate to produce the new fee2play/gambling mechanism to try and drag thousands from each games sale rather than the actual asking price. How many crappy "dlcs" will we have to buy to actually play the game which we paid a fairly hefty asking price for? How much crap will be churned out and sold to us with fake bullshit promises? This shit will eventually end up killing gaming as a hobby.

 

[PPIMystaceus]

SF5 is available on Steam so not exclusive.

Well in that case Killer Instinct isn't either. Or most Microsoft 1st party games for that matter.

 

[Hobbygaming]

And XsX exclusives won’t?

XSX will have some lookers too but Sony studios are the cream of the crop

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

(how 10tf to 12tf == 40% I have no idea, but whatever)

I believe the 40 percent estimations stem from the CU count enabling the XsX to theoretically be more capable of handling advanced tasks such as RT and whatnot

 

[LostDonkey]

And KI is available on Windows

NVM. corrected.

 

[Deeper Underground]

And XsX exclusives won’t?

That remains to be seen. What we’ve seen of games like Halo don’t display anything mind blowing. Plus it’s going to be interesting to see how cross gen and Lockhart affect Xbox development in the future.

 

[semicool]

Literally the games will speak. All of the rest of this is marketing pr and bullshit. The only truth will be the games, lets see what Sony can produce and what Microsoft can produce, according to you guys the xsx is 40% more powerful, the ssd is some bullshit secret sauce, etc etc...

The only proof here is the games, lets see what true next gen games are about what Microsoft has cooking to show off that supposed 40% advantage (how 10tf to 12tf == 40% I have no idea, but whatever) and lets see if Sony's ssd and custom silicon adds anything.

If it turns out that TF difference turns out to be no where near that and that the ssd and the custom silicon Sony have cooked up really does make a difference what then ?

I personally think the difference in 3rd party will be negligible, None of the 3rd parties are going to make proper use of Sonys silicon, its easier to make compromises in both consoles to suit the middle ground than to try to optimise to each consoles main strength. The real story will be in 1st party offerings and this is where there will either be magic or there will be disappointment that is really how this story goes, a random developer or a random tech blogger or a random games site journalist trying to embellish the specs and provide their own speculations on how things might work, is just that just speculation.

I have read enough rumours and general discussions to be bored of all of the speculation, the real and only truth will be what Microsoft and Sony deliver, it is up to them to prove their consoles, their R&D, their decisions, its not my job or any one else's, they need to either put up or shut up.

I reckon MS may have an ace up its sleeve, they may be able to boost the gpu to 2GHz, but this all comes down to power draw, Sony may have an ace up their sleeve, they may boost memory bandwidth speed.

Ultimately just remember its your hard earned cash going into these systems, are Microsoft going to nickel & dime customers with their proprietary nvme disk expansion ? Will they produce complete wank games again this gen, just rehashing the same shit over and over ?

Will Sony go full: Churning out social justice warrior games and produce tonnes of games that just cater to a very niche gaming crowd ? Is Mark Cerny talking complete crap about their boost mode and does it really run at some wanky 9TF ? Will it sound like a jet engine ?

The even bigger question, what bullshit scheme will drive next gen ? What sort of bullshit can third parties and first parties generate to produce the new fee2play/gambling mechanism to try and drag thousands from each games sale rather than the actual asking price. How many crappy "dlcs" will we have to buy to actually play the game which we paid a fairly hefty asking price for? How much crap will be churned out and sold to us with fake bullshit promises? This shit will eventually end up killing gaming as a hobby.

To your summary, that's why you go with the underdog. They are going to provide a better service and not screw over their lesser amount of customers or at least take advantage of them as much. Sony was the underdog last gen in the US and MS screwed up in the beginng, now the roles are reversed and MS is making amends. You can see it in the XSX, you can see it in Gamepass etc . Spencer making amends for Mattick, and now Sony delivering a more underpowered machine, it really is a back and forth until they, either of them, learn to not take their status and customers for granted.

 

[LostDonkey]

Well in that case Killer Instinct isn't either. Or most Microsoft 1st party games for that matter.

NVM. corrected.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Everyone shits on timdog but in the end he was right and Osiris was way off. By what 3 tf?

But narratives of course lol

TimDog also believed that the cloud made Xbox One more powerful than the PS4 lol

 

[vdopey]

To your summary, that's why you go with the underdog. They are going to provide a better service and not screw over their lesser amount of customers or at least take advantage of them as much. Sony was the underdog last gen in the US and MS screwed up in the beginng, now the roles are reversed and MS is making amends.

MS Has never been or will never be the underdog, neither is Sony, ahh mate thats just some bullshit reasoning. Your talking multi-billion dollar companies here, one with more 000's than the other

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

If true, can i touch my genitals Dory16 thinking you're getting paid by MS to fuck us? It would be totaly appropriate, right?

 

[LostDonkey]

KI isn't on Steam. It's exclusive to Xbox. Whether that be console or PC.

edit: my bad. didn't know it was on Steam.

 

[slade]

KI isn't on Steam. It's exclusive to Xbox. Whether that be console or PC.

It is on Steam.

 

[Stuart360]

Killer Instinct is on Steam

 

[SleepDoctor]

TimDog also believed that the cloud made Xbox One more powerful than the PS4 lol

And? Doesn't change he was right this time.

 

[ultrazilla]

All I want is

 

[IntentionalPun]

We'll see; buying both so don't really care, just want 3rd parties to have an easy time with the systems. Yet to hear anyone claim either has huge flaws so that's good.

My confusion surrounding the SSD is why for decades nobody mentions HD speed in terms of GPU performance, Sony/MS cheap out with 5400 RPM drives, not even going to 7200RPM, and then all of a sudden hard drive speed is the key to actual GPU performance. That thread from earlier the guy actually claimed CU count/clock frequencies barely matter lol

 

[Windows-PC]

I always think the Boost Mode argument of the PS5 is weird. If Microsoft implemented their own version of boost mode, would the XsX gain another teraflop? So PS5 is 10 and XsX would be 13 14?

Let's be honest, Boost Mode for Sony is just a nicer Marketing thing to say than "We horrendously overclocked the GPU in order to barely match the competition"

 

[Vroadstar]

And? Doesn't change he was right this time.

Sure, a broken clock is right twice a day too

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Sure, a broken clock is right twice a day too

I guess in this case the clock rings true at 9:20 (with a weaker ring at 10:28) and 12:10 am/pm

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Can we just nuke GAF and start over? PS5 being weaker than XSX has destroyed us.

 

[Rightisright]

Can we just nuke GAF and start over? PS5 being weaker than XSX has destroyed us.

They havent taken it well.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Can we just nuke GAF and start over? PS5 being weaker than XSX has destroyed us.

Cerny dropped the variable frequency bomb. We now live in the fallout. Stay frosty.

 

[Alphagear]

Seems like most Xbox fans are happy in having the more powerful console. Now all they need is a decent game to play on it lol.

 

[-kb-]

I believe the 40 percent estimations stem from the CU count enabling the XsX to theoretically be more capable of handling advanced tasks such as RT and whatnot

No one has ever been able to prove that RT only scales with CU's, nor any other workloads in the GPU in fact. Its nearly certain that they all scale with CUs and clock.

Whats ironic here is that there's a number of blocks in the GPU that only scale with clocks, making the PS5 ~20% faster in those areas.

 

[vdopey]

We'll see; buying both so don't really care, just want 3rd parties to have an easy time with the systems. Yet to hear anyone claim either has huge flaws so that's good.

My confusion surrounding the SSD is why for decades nobody mentions HD speed in terms of GPU performance, Sony/MS cheap out with 5400 RPM drives, not even going to 7200RPM, and then all of a sudden hard drive speed is the key to actual GPU performance. That thread from earlier the guy actually claimed CU count/clock frequencies barely matter lol

For 1 reason is because Sony have doubled down on this, but the real main reason is diminishing returns - I mean given all of the various techniques out there to get "4K", do you really sit and stare at your tv and then try and zoom into the screen to find differences ? If you do your a bit of a weirdo.

We ain't comparing this type of disparity:

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/03/Image-3.jpg

So they have to start looking at different areas to optimise and Sony have identified rightly or wrongly the ssd and io throughput. GPU compute is _really_ important, but also just as important is how fast you can flood in data to be processed.

Ideally the best approach would have been 32GB of GDDR6 with 52 CUs, clocked at 2GHz with all of Sonys custom silicon / custom i/o - that shit would have been immense and a hands down winner, but instead both had to cut costs to keep prices reasonable, hence why we have this bullshit back and forth, I personally think that the reality will be that both will be great and everything else is just noise.

Car analogy, just to go there, having a big engine is wonderful a v8 sure has some power, as long as you make sure you can feed it, at the same time a well optimised turbo'd 4 cylinder engine is insanely fast look at the Mercedes AMG 45 as an example, its far smaller but the turbo and fuel injection systems sure do make that car fast, essentially this is what the ssd is comparable to, its like adding a turbo, both have em, Sonys is far more efficient / bigger. Microsoft has the bigger engine, but its not like we are comparing a ferrari to a fiat punto, they are both in similar ballparks.

 

[Vroadstar]

I guess in this case the clock rings true at 9:20 (with a weaker ring at 10:28) and 12:10 am/pm

and that's the problem with depending on a broken clock. You can't deliver on time so you are not dependable, you leave early, and you make the same promises that you'll do good this time again and again

 

[darkinstinct]

There is no doubt that PS5 will load their 1800p/50-60 fps games faster than XSX will load their 4K/60 fps games. And of course PS5 will sound awesome with headphones, XSX with everything. Which is ok, because PS5 will be so loud that you want to use headphones.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Not everybody on this forum is a console activist for a particular manufacturer. Stop with the projection.

My dude, you seem to be the very console activist you're painting others to be going by your post history.
Imagine doing what you're doing on this forum full time. I hope you get paid for it.

 

[Deeper Underground]

There is no doubt that PS5 will load their 1800p/50-60 fps games faster than XSX will load their 4K/60 fps games. And of course PS5 will sound awesome with headphones, XSX with everything. Which is ok, because PS5 will be so loud that you want to use headphones.

I’m sure the impressive 120FPS/4K indie and AA games made by 16 studios for GamePass will be more than enough to claw their way back into relevance of the video game industry. That is if the year release of Halo, Forza, and Gears doesn’t slow them down. Really though, MS is going to do great this generation. I’ll be glad that maybe they might finally share sales data with us for the first time in 5-6 years and not trying to obfuscate anything like with MAUs! Can’t forget that whisper quiet box too! So quiet, you wouldn’t even know it was there, which ironically would be moreso to people not buying it than it’s cooling. Seriously though, it’s a great system.

 

[thelastword]

Over the course of the last week, a few third-party (or unnamed) developers have begun to speak out on the hardware which we found notable. As time goes on, and more developers have substantial time invested on the development kits, we’ll hear more details. For now, we found these quotes to be notable.
Chris Grannell is a developer who spent 15 years working on PlayStation games for both the PS3 and PS4 including Killzone 2 and Wipeout. He stated the following:


When asked about the speed of the PS5’s SSD having an impact, he later followed with:


In the latest episode of Xbox Unlocked, IGN’s weekly Xbox show, the following quote was given from an unnamed developer which echoed the CU count being a large factor:


He continued:



As we’ve also heard, some developers have commented on the PS5 having unique features that will be better understood in time. While we certainly believe that to be true, these quotes have come from Sony development studios and thus we’re focusing on independent developers experiences.


Link: https://seasonedgaming.com/2020/03/...-between-the-xbox-series-x-and-playstation-5/

So where are the developers who said they are likely to get more out of PS5? All I see here are mostly downplay PS5 quotes, not even excitement for Series X tbh.....Seems like the same MS exclusive guys to me, like the same Grannel guy, and how many other developers exactly?, who are they? and what are they working on?

Besides, both Schreier, Moore's Law is Dead and many others over twitter have expressed that there is lots of interest in PS5 over Series X, which the majority of their sources are third party studios.....As for Sony first party.....Obviously SWWS is going to put out the best graphics next gen, like they always do, so of course we want to know what they have to say...…...

 

[LittleBusters]

Crapgamer will be soiling himself.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So where are the developers who said they are likely to get more out of PS5? All I see here are mostly downplay PS5 quotes, not even excitement for Series X tbh.....Seems like the same MS exclusive guys to me, like the same Grannel guy, and how many other developers exactly?, who are they? and what are they working on?

Besides, both Schreier, Moore's Law is Dead and many others over twitter have expressed that there is lots of interest in PS5 over Series X, which the majority of their sources are third party studios.....As for Sony first party.....Obviously SWWS is going to put out the best graphics next gen, like they always do, so of course we want to know what they have to say...…...

Why would there be more interest in the PS5 over Series X? They're basically the same damn system bar compute differences.

Try to make sense at least once.

 

[Filippos]

Isn’t this common knowledge? I mean these are facts, no?
did people really believe that an SSD can make up for this huge power gap?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Isn’t this common knowledge? I mean these are facts, no?
did people really believe that an SSD can make up for this huge power gap?

No, none of them actually believe it, but that doesn't stop them from trying to get you to believe it.

 

[thelastword]

Why would there be more interest in the PS5 over Series X? They're basically the same damn system bar compute differences.

Try to make sense at least once.

Are they, so why are developers more excited for PS5 if the Series X is just a more powerful PS5 in your scenario.....Only difference is compute/CU's......


I don't see the highly customized IO Unit on Series X, I don't see a highly customized Geometry Engine with cache scrubbers on Series X, I don't see a highly customized Sound Unit/Tempest Engine on Series X......I guess the only difference is the compute difference AMIRITE?

 

[ph33rknot]

I mean yes, SX is the overall power winner and everyone knows that. But why is every thread in support of the SX at TimDog levels of nasty.

PS fanboy

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Are they, so why are developers more excited for PS5 if the Series X is just a more powerful PS5 in your scenario.....Only difference is compute/CU's......


I don't see the highly customized IO Unit on Series X, I don't see a highly customized Geometry Engine with cache scrubbers on Series X, I don't see a highly customized Sound Unit/Tempest Engine on Series X......I guess the only difference is the compute difference AMIRITE?

I know this will be quite shocking and hard for you to come to grips with, but I can tell you exactly why.

Because BULLSHIT

P.S. And you don't see those kind of things because you're intentionally being oblivious, who would have thought.

 

[Filippos]

Are they, so why are developers more excited for PS5 if the Series X is just a more powerful PS5 in your scenario.....Only difference is compute/CU's......


I don't see the highly customized IO Unit on Series X, I don't see a highly customized Geometry Engine with cache scrubbers on Series X, I don't see a highly customized Sound Unit/Tempest Engine on Series X......I guess the only difference is the compute difference AMIRITE?

GPU/CPU > SSD/Audio.