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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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oatmeal

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Looks like Trump is GOT with his numbers he stated for Seoul. He said it has 38M which is apparently the elevation.

CHECKMATE DONALD.
 
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oatmeal said:
Looks like Trump is GOT with his numbers he stated for Seoul. He said it has 38M which is apparently the elevation.

CHECKMATE DONALD.
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Looks like Seoul metro population 25.6M, so while his point about population density may stand, I think this might be the end for Trump. I hope CNN grills him good on this tomorrow.
 
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oatmeal

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cryptoadam

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oatmeal said:
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Insanity.

Cuomo's own words in big and bold LOL.

Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, claimed that thefts were happening in New York at a press conference Friday, CNBC reported.

"Not just people taking a couple or three, I mean just actual thefts of those products," Cuomo said. "I've asked the state police to do an investigation, look at places that are selling masks, medical equipment, protective wear, feeding the anxiety."

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cryptoadam

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holygeesus said:
It is pretty clear that the WHO is saying masks aren't necessary because there literally aren't enough of them. I call bullshit. How can a mask not help against a disease that is primarily transmitted by droplets in coughs and sneezes? I've bought my own.
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Why is there mask shortage but in SK and other Asian countries they can get them?

Me thinks a certain country is hoarding them like toilet paper and told the WHO to take that stance so they can have them and no one else.
 
gamerMan

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oatmeal said:
These people aren’t numbers.
*gamerman posts image showing the thousands of expected deaths*
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I have people on the front lines fighting this. It's a model. I didn't make it. It is being used by the Government and hospitals around the country. Maybe you are right, I shouldn't have posted it. FYI, they are expected to show it at the press conference tomorrow.
oatmeal said:
Looks like Trump is GOT with his numbers he stated for Seoul. CHECKMATE DONALD.
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No, but nobody can try to convince me that 100,000 - 200,000 deaths is a "good" number. Maybe that's a good "number" for you. It's not for me. That's a failure of leadership. I am not going to be pointing fingers now because we need to save as many lives as possible, but you can bet if we hit the projected numbers, I will be doing the necessary thing in November.
 
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God Enel

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gamerMan said:
I have people on the front lines fighting this. It's a model. I didn't make it. It is being used by the Government and hospitals around the country. Maybe you are right, I shouldn't have posted it. FYI, they are expected to show it at the press conference tomorrow.

No, but nobody can try to convince me that 100,000 - 200,000 deaths is a "good" number. Maybe that's a good "number" for you. It's not for me. That's a failure of leadership. I am not going to be pointing fingers now because we need to save as many lives as possible, but you can bet if we hit the projected numbers, I will be doing the necessary thing in November.
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Not sure what you’re expecting. None of the western governments is handling this shit good nor was anyone prepared for this.
 
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Cybrwzrd

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12Goblins said:
I was watching the Corona task force briefing today, and I kept thinking this guy was saying "My pillow"... Did anybody happen to catch that? How is this happening???
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They are awesome pillows actually. I grabbed some at Costco a few months back, and I swear the guy that was there was there selling them was the guy on the podium.

Special Discounts on MyPillows, Sheets, Towels, Slippers, and More

Shop now for special discounts on a wide range of MyPillow products, including pillows, sheets, towels, slippers, and more. Transform your sleep experience with premium quality and comfortable bedding essentials.
www.mypillow.com www.mypillow.com
 
cryptoadam

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Cybrwzrd said:
They are awesome pillows actually. I grabbed some at Costco a few months back, and I swear the guy that was there was there selling them was the guy on the podium.

Special Discounts on MyPillows, Sheets, Towels, Slippers, and More

Shop now for special discounts on a wide range of MyPillow products, including pillows, sheets, towels, slippers, and more. Transform your sleep experience with premium quality and comfortable bedding essentials.
www.mypillow.com www.mypillow.com
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He used to he a crackhead or something. Then he started this mypillow thing and nows hes mad rich. Donald Trump rich.
 
Cybrwzrd

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cryptoadam said:
www.middleeasteye.net

Coronavirus: Turkey rejects Chinese testing kits over inaccurate results

Rapid testing kits were only 30 to 35 percent accurate, says official, as Ankara orders separate batch from another Chinese company
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net

Come on guys this is getting comicbook level villiany here. The Chinese are being brazen about it because the world is doing nothing.
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This kind of shit really activates the almonds,

news.yahoo.com

Suspected SARS virus and flu samples found in luggage: FBI report describes China's 'biosecurity risk'

An FBI report about China’s involvement with scientific research in the U.S. has raised alarms. While the report refers broadly to foreign researchers, all three cases cited involve Chinese nationals.
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oatmeal

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gamerMan said:
I have people on the front lines fighting this. It's a model. I didn't make it. It is being used by the Government and hospitals around the country. Maybe you are right, I shouldn't have posted it. FYI, they are expected to show it at the press conference tomorrow.

No, but nobody can try to convince me that 100,000 - 200,000 deaths is a "good" number. Maybe that's a good "number" for you. It's not for me. That's a failure of leadership. I am not going to be pointing fingers now because we need to save as many lives as possible, but you can bet if we hit the projected numbers, I will be doing the necessary thing in November.
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No.

You have been posting the numbers endlessly (BY EASTER 2000 DEAD A DAY)...and now you're saying THESE AREN'T NUMBERS THESE ARE SISTERS, BROTHERS...
 
Sejan

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Fun with graphs!
All numerical data is taken or derived from wikipedia

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The first graph is the data that we are all seeing. It is just raw numbers and the data looks and is very bad. However, the following three graphs offer a glimmer of hope. The second graph is a logarithmic representation of the same data. In this graph, a straight line means pure exponential growth. Up until about 5-6 days ago, the data rarely deviated from that straight line, but over the past week we have a clear and measurable slowing to growth overall. That is very good news. Social distancing appears to be working!

Graphs 3 and 4 show the same basic information but zooming in on the specific daily growth rate. In both cases, there is a clear trend downwards. Graph 4 has a 5 day rolling average that shows daily growth dropping to as low as half in the past month.

Let me be clear. These are numbers of confirmed cases and there is certainly still room for more and better testing, but the data over the past month suggests that we are making reasonably decent progress in slowing this virus down.
 
Come On Tars

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gamerMan said:
I have people on the front lines fighting this. It's a model. I didn't make it. It is being used by the Government and hospitals around the country. Maybe you are right, I shouldn't have posted it. FYI, they are expected to show it at the press conference tomorrow.

No, but nobody can try to convince me that 100,000 - 200,000 deaths is a "good" number. Maybe that's a good "number" for you. It's not for me. That's a failure of leadership. I am not going to be pointing fingers now because we need to save as many lives as possible, but you can bet if we hit the projected numbers, I will be doing the necessary thing in November.
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whats a good number then
 
Come On Tars

Come On Tars

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Sejan said:
Fun with graphs!
All numerical data is taken or derived from wikipedia

eGhUJMd.png

g4um4Aj.png

FPUlNWF.png

T5rYS10.png

The first graph is the data that we are all seeing. It is just raw numbers and the data looks and is very bad. However, the following three graphs offer a glimmer of hope. The second graph is a logarithmic representation of the same data. In this graph, a straight line means pure exponential growth. Up until about 5-6 days ago, the data rarely deviated from that straight line, but over the past week we have a clear and measurable slowing to growth overall. That is very good news. Social distancing appears to be working!

Graphs 3 and 4 show the same basic information but zooming in on the specific daily growth rate. In both cases, there is a clear trend downwards. Graph 4 has a 5 day rolling average that shows daily growth dropping to as low as half in the past month.

Let me be clear. These are numbers of confirmed cases and there is certainly still room for more and better testing, but the data over the past month suggests that we are making reasonably decent progress in slowing this virus down.
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reminds me of the gaffer who posted that the straight number in italy looks bad. But when you look at the percent growth the curve seems to be flattening.

I do wonder now if straight up mass production and wearing of masks during times like this is the most simple, cheap way to tackle it. That would be great news if it comes again in the fall.
 
Come On Tars

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Cybrwzrd said:
They are awesome pillows actually. I grabbed some at Costco a few months back, and I swear the guy that was there was there selling them was the guy on the podium.

Special Discounts on MyPillows, Sheets, Towels, Slippers, and More

Shop now for special discounts on a wide range of MyPillow products, including pillows, sheets, towels, slippers, and more. Transform your sleep experience with premium quality and comfortable bedding essentials.
www.mypillow.com www.mypillow.com
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I like my pillows super thin, are these big down pillows? Kinda look like it
 
holygeesus

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It will be interesting to see what happens in Sweden. Last I read they were basically carrying on life as normal. Will be a fascinating case study.
 
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Kagey K

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I feel like they way they are testing and reporting is skewing numbers from where they actually are.

In Alberta they changed testing standards, and we have seen low numbers the last couple days, but it feels like there are a lot of cases going undiagnosed or untested.

I get that supplies are limited and whatnot, but changing testing rules isn’t the way to flatten the curve.
 
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Rock And Roll

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Kagey K said:
I feel like they way they are testing and reporting is skewing numbers from where they actually are.

In Alberta they changed testing standards, and we have seen low numbers the last couple days, but it feels like there are a lot of cases going undiagnosed or untested.

I get that supplies are limited and whatnot, but changing testing rules isn’t the way to flatten the curve.
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Looking at the cases of Canada compared to the rest of the world it looks like they're lying about the numbers. Everywhere else increases follow a consistent model yet in Canada it's all over the place. Either our federal/provincial governments have found some next level way of stopping this thing or they aren't being honest about the numbers.
 
Kagey K

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Rock And Roll said:
Looking at the cases of Canada compared to the rest of the world it looks like they're lying about the numbers. Everywhere else increases follow a consistent model yet in Canada it's all over the place. Either our federal/provincial governments have found some next level way of stopping this thing or they aren't being honest about the numbers.
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It has to be the testing consistencies. There is no reason that Quebec is growing so rapidly, but Toronto and Vancouver aren‘t. It feels like they are intentionally suppressing the numbers.
 
Malakhov

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Kagey K said:
But a bunch of Quebecois would have travelled into Ottawa and Toronto, so those places should have seen as much growth as Quebec.
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Not really, spring break here people mostly go to Cuba (whom tourists there are mostly Italians and Quebecers) and Florida.

You can see why now ;)
 
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betrayal

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holygeesus said:
It is pretty clear that the WHO is saying masks aren't necessary because there literally aren't enough of them. I call bullshit. How can a mask not help against a disease that is primarily transmitted by droplets in coughs and sneezes? I've bought my own.
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That's probably true. Masks will soon be obligatory for many things outside. The argument which is always used is that masks offer a false sense of security and not 100% protection. That may be true, but in 9 out of 10 real life scenarios masks prevent an infection that would have taken place without a mask.
 
betrayal

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cryptoadam said:
www.middleeasteye.net

Coronavirus: Turkey rejects Chinese testing kits over inaccurate results

Rapid testing kits were only 30 to 35 percent accurate, says official, as Ankara orders separate batch from another Chinese company
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net

Come on guys this is getting comicbook level villiany here. The Chinese are being brazen about it because the world is doing nothing.
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Turkey got the test kits from the same company that Spain got them from. Spain had ordered them from a Spanish third party company, which in turn had the products manufactured in China. The company that produced the test kits is not on any list of authorized manufacturers of medical products in China.

So you could say that Spain and Turkey have been trolled.
 
Kagey K

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Just talked to my parents in AZ and apparently Golf is still an essential service down there, and allowed to stay open.

When everyone is essential? Who isn’t?

It’s like participation trophies now? Do you have a business? It’s essential.
 
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www.thetimes.co.uk

China should write off debts to cover the cost of Covid-19

Despite Beijing’s determined efforts, a comprehensive timeline has now emerged of the response of the authorities in Hubei province and in Beijing to the spread of the Covid-19 virus, proving that the Chinese authorities engaged in a cover-up in the critical early days. This makes them morally respo
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China should write off debts to cover the cost of Covid-19

Despite Beijing’s determined efforts, a comprehensive timeline has now emerged of the response of the authorities in Hubei province and in Beijing to the spread of the Covid-19 virus, proving that the Chinese authorities engaged in a cover-up in the critical early days. This makes them morally responsible for the global consequences of the pandemic in at least some key ways.

China took the virus to be a public relations challenge, rather than a severe threat to human health. Doctors who tried to alert the authorities were told to keep quiet. Those who went public with their concerns were arrested. As if to confirm this observation, Beijing has since gone on to mount a global propaganda effort to deflect responsibility and somehow blame the United States for the breakout. The only thing that matters is that the Communist Party is not believed responsible for its early failures.

If the authorities had contained the situation in Hubei in the first three weeks of the breakout, this disease could probably have been completely contained within the province. But party bureaucrats made a different set of choices. As a consequence of those choices, the world is now at a standstill.
Nevertheless, China can do things to atone for its mistakes. So far, Beijing has sent support to embattled Italy in the form of medical experts, and it is sending out medical kits to the whole of Europe. Cynics have dismissed these gestures as little more than a PR exercise, in the same vein as China’s earlier responses to the virus. And they are probably right. But medical experts and more medical equipment are definitely helpful things to have, regardless of motivation. It is a good start.
Yet Europe is unlikely to be the region worst affected by this pandemic in the course of time. The most acutely affected will, inevitably, be smaller, poorer countries which do not have the health infrastructure and the economic resilience to weather to weather this global shock.

Many of these countries are already financially indebted to China, as Beijing has been using its growing economic might in recent years to invest and buy influence all over the world. Countries such as Djibouti, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Maldives, Mongolia, Pakistan and Montenegro, have all been identified as already owing sums in excess of 45 per cent of their GDP to Beijing, largely in the form of debt towards Belt and Road projects.

Meanwhile, even countries such as the US and the UK have as much as a quarter of their government bonds owned by Chinese institutional investors closely associated with or even directly owned by the Chinese state.

For a real way to pay off its moral debts on the Covid-19 pandemic, China can start a programme of financial debt forgiveness to those countries affected by the virus. Priority should be given to those poorer countries who will not be able to pay off those debts anyway in the wake of the economic shock caused by the pandemic. Either China voluntarily forgives those debts, or default will happen anyway.

But Chinese ownership of sovereign debt is even more widespread than the virus. Italy owes China money, Spain does, everyone does. We should engage with Beijing to persuade them to waive the debts equivalent to the cost incurred by state budgets to handle the epidemic.

And if Beijing fails to heed this call, then it should be for the international community to come together and proclaim a proportional default on debts to China to pay for the fallout from Covid-19. By this agreement, perhaps underwritten by the IMF and the World Bank, we would proclaim than any such default would not hamper a country’s ability to seek credit on the open markets of the West.

Beijing has a moral obligation to forgive these debts. If it fails to do so, the rest of the world has a moral right to default. We may not have the capacity to force this on to China. But we do have the capacity, and the duty, to facilitate a co-ordinated default if it does not comply.
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womfalcs3 said:
For two days now, the number of new daily cases has been below the high. Source for raw data: Johns Hopkins University.

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It's a weekend effect. Less testing/reporting. Reports are usually delayed by a day. It's the same thing all over the world and it doesn't mean anything. Seven days after the lockdown is when you start to see changes normally. But the US screwed up so bad they probably have hundreds of thousands already infected. To give you an idea: Wuhan got a lockdown at 400 infections and ended up with 70.000. More than 100x as much. That's what you can expect from the equally crowded NYC. Which got a lockdown at around 3.500 seven days ago.
 
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Paracelsus said:
Korea got lucky.
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Luck has nothing to do with it. SK has one of the best health systems in the world and did a ton of testing early on to eliminate contact spreading. Italy is hit so hard because they waited until their health system collapsed, they should have acted 14 days earlier, so peak would be the full capacity of hospitals.
 
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