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Developers Begin to Weigh in on the Power Gap Between the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5. Series X taking the power crown "from all accounts".
thelastword
Banned
So all the customizations and extra silicon is bullshit? So you would rather obfuscate tangible hardware that will actually make a huge difference at runtime between these consoles because you just want to push "it's simply a 10.3 vs 12.1 equation full stop?".....Got it....
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
But GitHub was fake. Over 10tfs and RDNA2 both contradict it
DynamiteCop!
Banned
No, what's bullshit is you thinking Sony's system is some elegant angel Turbo V6 made in Italy by hand and Microsoft built a V8 dinosaur in Detroit on an assembly line.
It's ridiculously stupid, they're both doing effectively the same things, slight differences here and there but no one is customizing themselves into some box the other isn't as well.
You're a irreconcilable fanboy, you see what you want to see, not what actually is.
existensmaximum
Member
Man, the PS5 is going to be shit. Even Stadia has more terraflops, I'm getting that one! 
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existensmaximum
Member
Yeah, all this discussion should go into the speculation/rumor thread, since speculation is all we've got. We don't have any proof or real-world performance for either of the consoles. Everything at this point is rather pointless speculation. Numbers on a paper doesn't say much until we see what developers do with them. And that goes for both consoles, obviously.
Little Chicken
Member
DF comparisons are going to be brutal 
thelastword
Banned
So what grates you or anyone else that I see PS5 as elegantly designed.....The fact is, it is, that's why there is lots of discussion around it and excitement from devs……..The only people with their panties in a bind are those who can't seem to stand discussion and excitement around that elegance.......They felt more horsepower was all it took for better performance........Yet are now being clued in, that's it's really not...
DynamiteCop!
Banned
thelastword
Banned
The way I see it. PRO is winning lots in framerate, which is always the preferred metric.....Granted MS always has the higher rez but most times at a serious deficit to framerate.....The divide next gen? Without taking PS5's customized engineering into the equation and if you were actually looking at these consoles as similarly engineered is only about 15-17%, that makes it much lower than the 35% that XBONEX has over PRO, not forgetting XBONEX's extra bandwidth and Vram……..DF comparisons are going to be brutal
If you begin to think about it, the rez divide between next gen consoles will be very negligible, the rez will most times be 4k native on each, the textures and loadtimes will be better on PS5 and the framerate may go to PS5 in many scenarios, that is when we consider PS5's strengths, which it has many relative to customized hardware...…..It's not going away......Vgtech/NXgamer/DF comparisons will be interesting indeed......If persons were so sure that XBOX would runaway with everything, they would not be so defensive in people talking up the unique hardware of PS5.....None of what we are excited for on PS5 are imaginary or "powah of da cloud coolaid"...….That's the big difference here....
ethomaz
Banned
That will be the best part.DF comparisons are going to be brutal
Deeper Underground
Member
DF comparisons are going to be brutal
“The XSX has the better resolution, but the PS5 runs better overall.” I know what version I’m getting.
Kagey K
Banned
What PS5 game has looked better then Halo so far?
vdopey
Member
Of course we have, but the guys with the x on their box want to beat the drum about how much more power their box has...
I really do wonder has Microsoft hired a bunch of astroturfers to spread as much FUD as possible? Microsoft of yesteryear would definitely engage in this sort of petty underhanded marketing, but I really do have to wonder if this is the case, or if it is just that the xbox crowd is composed of really young teens with no understanding of hardware or just straight up rabid fanboys foaming at the mouth. Its just that there is no reasoning or concession with some of them. Don't get me wrong I am seeing this from some of the playstation fans, but generally what I'm seeing being posted by them is some very technical videos trying to explain hardware for example this video was posted not long ago: I learnt more from this video than any other video I've seen in a while I genuinely didn't know Lisa Su used to work at IBM and worked on the cell processor, this instantly made me realise why for example Sony had modified a cu unit to act like a PS3 SPE for the audio engine, its a really interesting design decision. It also made me understand, she must be technically amazing, I realise why AMD has put her in charge, Mark Cerny is no fool either, neither is Satya Nadella, these individuals are all smart people, far smarter than us. I'm sure phil spencer is as well, its not his fault he comes across like a used car salesman, but that's neither here nor there.
Even the mere possibility of improved io throughput having an impact on overall performance has them reeling, is it really so hard to understand ? Its almost as if to acknowledge this potential advantage of the playstation would mean the end of their beloved console. Why not try and find some more information about the audio engine in the xbox, how the ram will benefit performance, why not salivate over the potential games they can be playing, or what they are looking to do with the new xsx, rather than just petty shit throwing ? Brag about the possibilities, about what has you excited. What are you most looking for, is it gonna be crackdown 4? What about the potential power of the xsx with the power of the x-clouds making the xsx a 12 petaflop beast ? I mean that wasn't marketing bullshit at all was it ?
Ok im being facetious and throwing shit over the wall, ill stop now. The only thing I would say, Is answer me this, is this meant to encourage people sitting on the fence to actually jump on the xsx bandwagon and get excited ? Is this tactic really working ?
Deeper Underground
Member
Well considering we have seen all of 3 games with two of them being crossgen games and a 5 second snippet of one on pre-alpha, we haven’t seen anything yet. I’m sure you knew that though when you tried to bring up PS5 when I wasn’t even talking about it. Oh, and Halo still looks underwhelming. Shoo.
Kagey K
Banned
I’m just trying to compare apples to apples.
What we have seen from all of next gen looks underwhelming so far. So until more is announced, or more gameplay is shown off, maybe just let it go.
Just a thought.
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DynamiteCop!
Banned
Halo looks better than basically any game currently seen, runs at 60 FPS+ and yet somehow it's underwhelming? What's the logic in that?
Deeper Underground
Member
lol I gave my opinion about a game that has seen more press than any other next gen out there combined. You decided to bring up the PS5 out of nowhere and after asking what looks better than it, admit that it all looks underwhelming. Forgive my confusion, but do you think Halo looks good or not?
Kagey K
Banned
Ive seen very little, but it looks the most impressive so far of any next gen game that has been revealed.
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Deeper Underground
Member
Well then I would have to disagree. Hell blade looks the most impressive to me, but the common denominator between the both is that we’ve seen nothing but a trailer and in game cinematics, so the jury is out until we see some actual gameplay from both.
Kagey K
Banned
I hated Hell Blade so unless some big changes come the sequel doesn’t interest me. A trailer isn’t going to change my mind.
Hopefully they actually try to mix gameplay into the sequel.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Getting more fuel into the cylinder doesn't necessarily make the car faster (SSD) though. But i like your style
. I compared it to doing 80mph in a 1980's Ford 2.8i Capri v to a Ford 1980's Fiesta 1.3.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
But, bruh....
You realize this is the start of a new gen, right? The narrative today is not the same as it was because ground 0 is where you set the precedent. This isn't a mid gen refresh. These are brand new consoles. We're back at zero bruv.
MICROSOFT - 1
SONY - 1 (Variable)
You're new precedent^^
ZywyPL
Banned
DF comparisons are going to be brutal
Nah, They already have a hard time doing the pixel count, I won't surprise if they won't be able to do it at all for next-gen systems. but I genuinely expect them to test various loading times - to the main menu, to the levels, restarting aster death etc.
Romulus
Member
17-25% power that will translate to little < actual exclusives
For me anyway
People seem to forget, by and large 40% power gap between ps4 and Xbox one was pretty lame if you ask me, in terms of real world results.
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Shin
Banned
ph33rknot
Banned
You must be another insider
Deeper Underground
Member
Kagey K
Banned
This idea that if a game drops 1 Frame, especially with VRR on HDMI 2.1 vs almost half resolution is laughable.
Lort
Banned
Chris Grannell is a developer who spent 15 years working on PlayStation games for both the PS3 and PS4 including Killzone 2 and Wipeout. He stated the following:
Nawww why so much hurt ... surely he could have noted maybe Sony put in a hidden GpU somewhere to give fans hope.
Nawww why so much hurt ... surely he could have noted maybe Sony put in a hidden GpU somewhere to give fans hope.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Kinda like the SSD in the PS5 makes it more powerful than the Series X? Sony be dem wizards?
My understanding is that Github leak was pretty much spot on for the chips but not final clocks.
Malcolm9
Member
I would like to think that a flagship MS game on their next gen console looks better than any current titles, otherwise there would be no logic at all.
Also, the comment about devs seeing the power difference as staggering, isn't there even less of a difference between the XSX and PS5 compared to the Pro and X.
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Deeper Underground
Member
I love how you all keep bringing this guy up, yet everyone conveniently ignored the dev who is actually still working in the industry and said that teraflops don’t mean shit and has worked on games for all 3 big companies. Keep up the good fight warrior.
Lol I hope for the sake of you and other Xbox fans that DF and other sources don’t come out and say that games run better in real world performance on PS5 or we are going to have to put all of you on suicide watch.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Deeper Underground
Member
lol another fool who thinks the only benefit is 1-2 seconds faster like this is a PC SSD. Please educate yourself.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I guess the IGN poll results indicate this forum and others need more threads of some kind, the usual crowd seems eager to comply.
Deeper Underground
Member
I just find it funny you have people in here crying wolf like “Woe is me and my ilk! The Sony fanboys are running amok!” Yet, as soon as a topic about PS5 gets made, the usual suspects are the first ones shitposting. Like give it a rest and go to the Mr. XMedia forums if you feel so butthurt about it.
Lort
Banned
Im pretty sure that’s what a lot of people said about how we’d feel when ps5 specs were released..
sorry that didn’t work out for you.
I predicted in the poll 11.4 tflops for xbox and 10 for ps5 ... so far everything’s going great. I am happy with my predictions
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Well Halo Infinite is a crossgen game, so even with that in mind what has been shown looks incredible.
For the hardware It depends on how you look at it. Microsoft's GPU at minimum has about 1.5 PS4 GPU's worth of compute surplus over the PlayStation 5. At peak with the PS5 lowering frequencies this could equal out to almost 2 PS4's worth of GPU surplus, so while the relative percentage is smaller the scale has gone way up. Adding to this surplus of GPU performance is the fact that Microsofts GPU has 16 additional compute units, RT cores are directly tied to CU's so Microsoft's GPU has 44% more intersection engines for driving RT, there's simply more RT hardware on the die.
The CPU side will be nominally the same but Microsoft still has an advantage here..
The memory configuration and bus also leans in Microsoft's favor, overall they have more available total bandwidth and developers can prioritize what is used and how whereas Sony has evenly spread lower bandwidth throughout. The reason this works against them is due to the fact that what really needs additional bandwidth won't get it, and what doesn't need very much will. The CPU, OS, audio processing, background operations and various other functions within the system don't need exceedingly high amounts of bandwidth while the GPU does. Microsoft's system accounts for this, Sony's does not.
Yeah....like RDR2, Control, Metro Exodus, TW3 ME:A etc etc....all looking and running better.
Sure, there are some titles that run better on Pro and to say its "most times" is overstimation.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
It's an extremely rare occasion that something runs better on the Pro, and in general with the few instances it happens it's generally at the feet of a Japanese developer. Even with that said the performance difference in general with games like that is quite small while the X has a relatively vast resolution advantage.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
How would you even know that?
On the contrary to MS, Sony didn't show anything except some stats.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
TBiddy
Member
Nope. Not going to happen. Maybe loadtimes. But textures and framerate? Not a chance. Slower GPU and slower CPU.
BigLee74
Member
Fuck me! Am I surprised in the slightest you start crying out for mods as soon as the PS5 is on the negative side of a thread?
No is the answer. No I'm not.
ZehDon
Gold Member
I'm guessing the PS5 conference was a lot of big words and fancy pictures, hey?
"The XSX has higher average sustained resolution, significantly better quality ray traced effects, better texture filtering, and higher quality post-processing effects, leading to a noticeably better visual experience overall. Combined with sustained frame rates on par with the PS5, it's the version of choice. The PS5 lags behind, but has up-front load times that are half as long, and less texture pop-in, and less noticeable LOD transitions, hiding a lot of the details transitions and lending to a more consistent visual presentation, though with that noticeable drop in image quality compared to the Series X."
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Deeper Underground
Member
Fuck me! Am I surprised in the slightest you start crying out for mods as soon as the PS5 is on the negative side of a thread?
No is the answer. No I'm not.
I don’t even know who you are lol. I don’t keep track of all the Xbox fans who hate me.
