pasterpl
Member
interesting write up about “secret sauce” In both consoles.
not for 98% of themI used to think it was ultimately about the games?
Ah another pointless ssd thread with no new information. Feelsbadman.
Honestly, Microsoft has been on top of compression for some time now. It's also mentioned that Microsoft has dedicated hardware for Compression / Decompression. With the datasets below factoring in hardware bassed compression for the cloud in a small PCI form factor, I'm sure including this technology in the XSX will help massive datasets move in a short period of time. I'm speculating that maybe Microsoft doesn't need a ton of bandwidth to accomplish what Sony is. This could also be the reason why Phil mentions that the developers can get 100GB instantly. Microsoft was able to accomplish this without CPU latency at PCIe 3.0 speeds.Well... apparently MS has some magic compression technique that almost compensates for the difference in I/O speed. That’s the first time I’ve heard of that.
A joint project between Broadcom and Microsoft, Project Corsica takes the project’s logic and turns it into an ASIC capable of handling 100Gbps of encryption/ compression. The ASIC is found on a relatively simple PCIe x16 card (required at Gen3 speeds for 100Gbps) showing why such an approach can yield huge benefits. The companies claim that the ASIC is 15-25 times faster than doing the same work on a CPU leading to substantially lower latency.
Another SSD thread tho?
...need a ton of bandwidth to accomplish what Sony is. This could also be the reason why Phil mentions that the developers can get 100GB instantly. Microsoft was able to accomplish this without CPU latency at PCIe 3.0 speeds.
Microsoft Project Corsica ASIC Delivers 100Gbps Zipline Performance
Built by Broadcom and Microsoft, the new Project Corsica ASIC is designed to deliver 100Gbps Zipline compression and encryption offload performancewww.servethehome.com
It also mentioned application services. Cloud servers manage millions of users at one time, while on your single machine, this doesn't seem like much, but it's meant to handle scale, otherwise the hardware wouldn't exist. 10,000 files is literally a drop in the bucket compared to what these servers are achieving.Sorry but .log files, .txt files are no hefty task to compress.
Howto: Generate Many Files of a Particular Size in Windows
I was recently performing some performance testing that required me to copy many files of a particular size from one Windows workstation to a Windows file server. I had a [...]thebackroomtech.com
using this, i generated 10,000 of them
For /L %i in (1,1,1000) do fsutil file createnew A%i.tmp 12288
total size 117Mb
ram usage while compressing 7zip (default) up to 450Mb)
final size 28Kb
ratio 425:1
Article is nonsense, just read any of the SSD threads here, only Sony has custom tech in their console.
The “SSD secret sauce” talk started when people tried to claim the PS5’s storage bandwidth would single handedly allow for for better graphics and higher FPS.
As far as compression and whatnot, that’s not secret sauce. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the one issue with compressed data is takes more CPU usage to handle, basicslly?
Without compression, both consoles are still extremely fast. PS5 much more so but the XsX SSD will not be a bottleneck of any sort.
Im really excited for an all SSD future on consoles but I think people are building them up to be something they aren’t. They are a big deal, but they only account for so much of what you experience in game.
Can't wait till multi-platform games come out on both of these systems so that we can get proper a proper DF analysis and these hypothetical threads can stop.
it meansPS5 has “lower cores”? What does that mean?
PS5 raw speeds are much faster
Data inside PS5
Data inside XSX
There is nothing about how the 2 solutions stack up to each other unless i have missed it. which is probalby the only way to talk bs free about it.
We will see it several years into the gen...
GIF's
I don't even want a next gen console. I just want the PS5 ssd all by itself!Another SSD thread tho?
It’s obvious that “Velocity Architecture” is nothing more than a marketing name made up to fight perception.
There is no secret sauce guys, it’s all bullshit.
MS must have a time machine then. They briefed everyone on velocity architecture prior to Cerny’s deep dive so the idea they made it up to respond to the deep dive doesnt make much sense.
Defining the Next Generation: An Xbox Series X|S Technology Glossary - Xbox Wire
[Editor’s Note: Updated on 10/21 at 11AM to ensure it is now reflective of the capabilities across both of our next-gen Xbox consoles following the unveil of Xbox Series S.] As we enter a new generation of console gaming with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S, we’ve made a number of technology...news.xbox.com
Xbox is more powerful in every way, except the ssd. The PS5 SSD is multitudes slower than the gddr6 in the Xbox. It's not going to change the game that it loads into ram.
There is no such thing as secret sauce.
It's not going to change the game that it loads into ram.
Why compare SSD to GDDR6?
Data is easily managed with the use of the SSD. Devs can simply design better worlds by having instant access to data. The SSD is going to play a huge role next generation.
Well... apparently MS has some magic compression technique that almost compensates for the difference in I/O speed. That’s the first time I’ve heard of that.
You are under the impression that these guys only know what the other is doing on the day? Forum posters have know about the focus on SSD for months now.
How come they don’t have a fancy name for their GPU,CPU, RAM, etc
They named it “Velocity” just because? Sorry I just can’t be this naive, don’t let me stop you though.
what?
Well, this is coming from someone who just compared SSD to GDDR6 speeds.It's not going to make any difference between the consoles, dingleberry
Faster storage speeds can allow for better details in other areas. The problem when the specs were revealed, people said it will only result in 1-2 seconds of faster load times, but there was clearly more to it than that. Digital Foundry has talked about this in great detail and they believe it will bring in better fidelity in games, something people on here did not agree with.
When people tried to explain how SSDs will work, people just started saying, "It's not going to close the power gap in consoles" when that wasn't the point people on here were trying to make.
People tried to downplay the impact of the SSD when it's a major focus on next gen consoles, even more so with the PS5.
PS5 raw speeds are much faster, but the results still remain to be seen.
no need to wait, just look at the ps4 pro vs xbox one x games now, its going to be the same.Can't wait till multi-platform games come out on both of these systems so that we can get proper a proper DF analysis and these hypothetical threads can stop.
Look, guys, the PS5's SSD configuration (12 ports) is way faster than Xbox Series X's poor 3 ports, there's no 2 ways around it, it's a massive difference, no matter how much you say "architecture differences, VELOCITY" and all that crap, the PS5 will have Its own efficiencies and architectural nuances that are even better than XSX in those regards, even developers are saying the same thing, that the PS5 is superior to XSX in many ways.
Just like XSX GPU is superior to the PS5, by a slight advantage.
We should all be happy that this generation will have the smallest differences ever between consoles, except the SSD, there will be a big difference and will show up in Sony's exclusive games.
Well, this is coming from someone who just compared SSD to GDDR6 speeds.
What will be the actual real world performance advantage that PS5 ssd will offer compared to series X. Is it just 1 second loading times faster? NVMEs are 7 times faster than regular ssd but loading times are just one second faster.
With the series X its very easy to explain. The graphics fidelity will be the best with series X having the best resolution, graphical effects and ray tracing. Can someone explain this in real world performance what PS5 ssd will offer.
Sony has baked all sorts of custom hardware and tech into the PS5. MS, in typical American fashion, is relying on brute force with no tech built in for speed. The PS5 SSD will result in worlds and experiences not otherwise possible while XSX will play HD versions of current gen games and will take a mind numbing 7 seconds to load next gen games.
Again, according to SSD threads here anyway