Handy Fake
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AHHHH.
Right, I'm up to speed now. Cheers.
It's not a singular "part" of the drive, it the address where the current game is stored (upto 100gb).
That it?
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Right, I'm up to speed now. Cheers.
It's not a singular "part" of the drive, it the address where the current game is stored (upto 100gb).
That it?
BadBreathOfTheWild
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It isn’t that explicit. I’m pretty sure the same guy said demo is scalable. Is “pretty good” the same as “awesome”? And GPU without mention of IO is meaningless. As is “pretty good” without knowing the context of the leading question.
THE:MILKMAN
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I think this is the Tweet you are referring to?
If so then I take it he is referring to texture filter units in the GPU. Below you can see them in RDNA 1:
No doubt Microsoft have tweaked/customised these units to better serve their need.
rnlval
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The context is this demo's performance on RTX 2070 which is "pretty good".
PaintTinJr
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Historically in the world of PC, 'runs' means little more than something at the minimum spec or above that can 'run' the software at the lowest scalable settings or higher.
To use such an opaque comment as proof of parity with the best spec hardware is a huge stretch IMHO
Bo_Hazem
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Oh, man, that's an old post. Yes, both won't use duplicates, and if XSX needed would use them temporarily. Either way that RAM is the weakest point so far in the XSX and there is no work around it if you can't send stuff fast enough (a game optimized for PS5) you'll need to use more RAM. We're getting closer to the launch and should see some H2H later on.
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That's not an interview.
It's the same tweet about UE5 that will run "pretty good" but not the demo.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Kraken is the better, most balanced solution overall in the family:
Yes you would like the slight advantage in compression when installing the game, but the decompression is the most critical as it's when it gets sent to the GPU/CPU/RAM.
I'm personally 100% confident PS5 Pro is a thing. Sony makes 8K TV's, and they wanna sell them when they get more mainstream by 2023-2024.
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Ascend
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Bo_Hazem
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Imtjnotu
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Calm your chesticlesCAN will not be the same price when their dollar is worth less.
These are all BS guesstimates.
DeepEnigma
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I don’t have any knowledge of the 100 Gb access besides it most likely being used like virtual memory. The ssd would be treated as if it were actual ram.
Rusco Da Vino
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Just a reminder people, it can't be any clearer
By the way, he also addresses the pop-in BS that others tried to push.
3) "the days of pop-ins are ended"
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Do they say it requires it anywhere in either tweets or interviews? Please post a source if their is one.
So apparently here we can assume things not said as said.
But when I claim this demo will run at the same quality on pc and likely on series x people get bent out of shape.
DeepEnigma
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Why do tweets from Xbox fanboys keep being plastered on this thread?
It's constant. What are we supposed to take from these sources?
Thirty7ven
Banned
People like to mock Don Matrick for Kinect on Xbox One, but Kinect was a huge deal on 360 and probably its biggest success story. It drove the 360 record years, and sold a fuck ton of units.
In hindsight it was a terrible decision, but hindsight is 20/20.
In hindsight it was a terrible decision, but hindsight is 20/20.
Ascend
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It's background information for the ones that are actually interested. That the majority of (biased) people in here are not, does not mean I don't have the right to post them. This is a PS5 AND XSX thread, not just PS5, even though you'd all like it to be about PS5 only, and for mocking of Xbox, their employees, and anyone here that says anything neutral or better about Xbox.
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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It depends who’s making the claim. They guy that said “pretty good” (hardly confidence inspiring and says nothing about the rest of the system) also said the demo could scale down to 2 year old Android devices while needing to fall back to more traditional means of rendering.
JareBear: Remastered
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headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
www.pcgamer.com
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
article ends with
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
article ends with
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
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Bonsaibäumchen
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Ascend
Reading all these 'sources' you are posting over and over again its like you want to convince us XSX is going to have 116GB ram and also Texturestreaming is going to be 2-3 times (SFS!!!!!!!!) more effective then PS5's.
Do you even understand what the fuck you are talking about? This virtual memory bullshit has been there for ages. You can use the same harddrive storage alloccation stuff on pcs. By your logic or those twitter smartasses I could allocate 1TB of storage to a game on pc. Thing is though - it won't boost your game performance at all.
It will only reduce cpu overhead by a small margin.
FYI - Google Virtual Ram / Pagefile for Windows 10.
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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Kinect was a huge marketing win. I bought one but it got old fast. I think it might still be the fastest/best selling accessory? But that popularity and what it ended up delivering shot Microsoft in the foot in my opinion.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
article ends with
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
And it also includes this:
But we have to have that headline though, right?
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FranXico
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PC Gamer:headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
article ends with
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
Engages in tribalism, repeating something that has already been disproven days ago.
Concludes with a statement against tribalism.
Metroiddarks
Member
Oh no again that indie dev of this forum (full console warrior) hahaha.
Both fucking system will use SSD as a slow ram even the pc after the update of Directx will improve its famouse Virtual memory but
from that to be instantaneous exists a World of distance and also a couple of physical laws.
Man you cannot have a day without copy paste a crazy tweet or something similar which thinks sounds reasonable, understand first
what is the meaning of the half of the word you want to copy then copy.
Also do you saw he ask UE5 will run well in XSX, not the exact same demo in XSX. UE4 and UE5 will run well even in Nintendo Switch.
Bro if you are going to share tweets search engineer specialized in graphics, not a indie console warrior not at an 'CGI artist & Virtual Worldbuilder '
I know for you sounds the same but are not.
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Fake
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headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Was Tim saying this was a video instead of a UE5 demo?
FranXico
Member
Note how the CEO of the company who makes the engine is the one who added to the confusion.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The quote and tweets are in the very article. But you need that headline to get clickity clicks!
Yeah, you can't make this shit up.
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Rusco Da Vino
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Official statement from Sony: (May 19, 2020)
"In order to further enhance the sense of immersion in games, we expect to improve not just the resolution, but the speed of games."
"For example, through a custom‐designed high‐speed SSD, we plan to realize game data processing speeds that are approximately 100 times faster than PS4."
Source:
Corporate Strategy Meeting
"In order to further enhance the sense of immersion in games, we expect to improve not just the resolution, but the speed of games."
"For example, through a custom‐designed high‐speed SSD, we plan to realize game data processing speeds that are approximately 100 times faster than PS4."
Source:
Corporate Strategy Meeting
Fake
Member
Sad end.
Ascend
Member
Obviously, the system has 16GB of physical RAM. But the CPU/GPU see 100GB of the SSD as RAM. It is not actual RAM, but they would see the system as having 116GB total. So accessible as RAM would be 10GB @ 560GB/s, the 6GB @ 320GB/s, and the 100GB @ SSD speed.
The PS5 equivalent would be 16GB @ 448GB/s and the full SSD size at SSD speed, if what people have been saying is true.
It might be more efficient in some cases, not more effective. That's exactly what the Tweet said too. If their SSD speeds were equal, the XSX one would be better. Except they are not equal. The PS5's is faster. That means that the gap between them is (partially) diminished, but the PS5 would probably still be stronger.
If you were actually interested in reading rather than reacting and mocking, you would have understood that.
Of course I know it has been there for ages. One of the tweets is using Mario as an example of the same thing.
If you were actually interested in reading rather than reacting and mocking, you would have understood that.
I never said anything like that.
If you were actually interested in reading rather than reacting and mocking, you would have understood that.
The faster the storage the more the CPU overhead will be reduced.
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FranXico
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If I understood correctly, someone asked at the video presentation if his own PC (with a 2070 or something) would be able to run the demo. To which he got a yes (obviously), "pretty good" or something. No remarks on level of detail or anything.
Is this supposed to be the grand Epic-Sony conspiracy?
Metroiddarks
Member
We used in the university for a couple of projects and we loved it even was used for a rescue robot but man just the fact of thinking in how to use for a responsive gameplay .... oh boy.
ZeroFool
Member
Epic keeps giving me free games! Twitch as well. So between all the various platforms and the free games my far off future grandkids won't have enough time to play them all. Even if they start playing now...
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Last night, my extremely casual, generally uninformed, believe every rumor they see gamer friend, randomly started talking to me about the UE5 PS5 demo. "Yo, you see that new PS5 game?"
They think all PS5 games will look like that. They have no idea what Xbox Series X is. PS5 is all they know about next gen..
That UE5 demo did a world of marketing for Sony, brilliant move.
They think all PS5 games will look like that. They have no idea what Xbox Series X is. PS5 is all they know about next gen..
That UE5 demo did a world of marketing for Sony, brilliant move.
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FeiRR
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How about taking something new? What's everyone's opinion on game sizes in next gen?
On the one hand, we can expect no redundancy of files and higher compression of assets. On the other, quality of textures will go up as well as capabilities of shuffling them around. Overall, can we expect smaller install sizes or is 825 GB/1 TB going to be a real pain?
On the one hand, we can expect no redundancy of files and higher compression of assets. On the other, quality of textures will go up as well as capabilities of shuffling them around. Overall, can we expect smaller install sizes or is 825 GB/1 TB going to be a real pain?
BadBreathOfTheWild
Banned
I think it might shake out about the same as now. Compression + de-duplication - asset sizes + no multiple LODs needed in some games engines + backwards compatible games can be stored on an external HDD.
Ascend
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Smaller.
Neo Blaster
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Laughter?
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Bonsaibäumchen
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I hope games won't be smaller. I hope they'll use the space which can be saved now for more/better assets. I don't think we will see epics way to handle geometry soon. This will probably take at least another year. Therefore they won't be able so skip this whole lod, baking process and so forth right away.
Little Chicken
Member
I remember when Kinect for Xbox 360 wasn't going to sell and would be the end of the Xbox brand, but then went on to sell 8 million units in 2 months.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This tech demo is really breaking people's brains. Kind of expected after the montage shown a week prior.
Both these companies need to show the actual games running on hardware, which they will soon?, so new arguments and/or mental gymnastics can form.
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Neo Blaster
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Don't think it will ever happen, more and more looks like it was tailored to PS5 and exclusive.
SlimySnake
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say what you will about the xbox one reveal, Don did a great job investing in games. the launch lineup wasnt anything special, but Forza 4, Ryse, Dead Rising 3 and Killer Instinct were far more appealing than kzsf and knack.
i also liked how he partnered up with insomniac for sunset, funded titanfall when it was about to be cancelled, funded quantum break and scalebound. had coalition work on a new IP and in all, showed me that despite the shitty specs and online only bs, the console would have a bunch of new games. i actually think xbox one had better exclusives in the first two years. i wasnt blown away by forza 4 and dead rising 3, but titanfall and sunset were fantastic games. by far the best games ms has produced this gen. everything starting from 2015 to 2020 has been mediocre at best under Phil Spencer.
Bo_Hazem
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Disclaimer: He was only referring to PS5, you may suffer from pop-ins, stutter, frame drops, screen tearing, and load screens on other inferior platforms.
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Exodia
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Graphics Optimization R&D and Engine Architect @ Microsoft is a fanboy?
Insane Metal
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So, I was thinking here. Both consoles will have pretty important technologies to improve framerate and avoid slowdowns and stuttering. They'll both support a multitude of dynamic resolutions and LODs, they'll both have Smartshift and Sony goes even a step beyond on this with their variable clocks, their CPUs are actually really good this time around. This is a huge win for gamers.
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