Physiognomonics
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XSX has not Smartshift.
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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Sony had creative input on it (didn’t want player control for flying sequence in case people go outside the game), but PS4 has been used to demo Unreal Engine demos before that have ended up becoming public. However I think the previous demos have also been shown running on PC at the same time?
Faithless83
Banned
headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fpswww.pcgamer.com
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
Exodia
Banned
And he liked this tweet
He is a Graphics Optimization R&D and Engine Architect @ Microsoft...man you ppl..
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Thirty7ven
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I can only imagine what this generation means for third party developers like Bethesda or Ubisoft. Suddenly games like Beyond Good and Evil 2 and Starfield don't sound just like pie in the sky ideas, but actual games.
Rusco Da Vino
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I hope they can manage to remove those pop-ins from all the platform. No gamer deserves that shit. It breaks the immersion.
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Insane Metal
Gold Member
AFAIK it's part of RDNA, no? In some way I'm sure it'll be there.
BadBreathOfTheWild
Banned
Never got to play Titanfall 1 but Titanfall 2 is my favourite FPS in years. The story was short but sweet, and the online was so competitive with a huge skill ceiling. One of the few games I bothered to Platinum. Hope it gets a next-gen sequel.
Uzupedro
Member
I really don't have much to say so much for those who liked it so much for those who didn't like MS's decisions at the time. I honestly didn't care about next-gen during the time that the consoles were presented, I didn't see either presentation, what I knew was through memes and things that had nowhere to run. I only cared about the next-gen in late 2015.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It's a streaming game, it's ~2,000TB in size, cannot be played locally. Still looks amazing.
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Neo Blaster
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That shows how meaningless that Inside Xbox was, and MS is supposed to be marketing king.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i love the campaign in TF2, but the mp was way slower and just didnt have the intensity of TF1.
Little Chicken
Member
Remember when the Dreamcast was announced and boom; specs, tech demos and games in one tidy conference 🌧
Thedtrain
Member
With the holiday weekend, not sure we’ll get anything til Tuesday at earliest
sircaw
Banned
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Little Chicken
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Conversely it shows that presenting the tech demo as a playable game was deceptive. Especially with Keighley running around calling it "gameplay"...
Physiognomonics
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No. It's part of recent mobile AMD tech.
Couple reasons why Sony probably went with zlib (from zlib's website):
- zlib is designed to be a free, general-purpose, legally unencumbered -- that is, not covered by any patents -- lossless data-compression library for use on virtually any computer hardware and operating system.
- zlib's memory footprint can also be specified fairly precisely.
Remember that zlib is on-chip in the PS5, and it's buffers for decompression are completely on-chip. No CPU, or main-memory is needed. This is huge, and accounts for why faster SSD's on the PC show little to no performance gains when loading games, because, the loading part is small part of it. It's the decompression of assets in memory by the CPU cores, which take up the most time.
With the PS5, main memory, and the CPU cores are not impacted, and thus, initial game loading will be much faster than any PC. Because the CPU's are not needed for decompression, thus also allowing assets to be decompressed in real-time as your playing the game, and the regular game code and memory will not be impacted at anytime with this overhead.
Any Pro model that comes out, will have to use the same compression, or all compressed assets for a game will have to be duplicated to support both compression standards. I can't see that happening in the same generation.
Oodle data compression algorithms are not free, and we have no ideal, what the cost is in number of transistors to implement on a chip, or what size the buffers have to be for decompression.
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THE:MILKMAN
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I don't think it applies in the XSX case as MS confirmed fixed clocks. In fact Rich Leadbetter stated that MS made a point to emphasis this several times during his early March visit to Redmond the clocks were fixed. My takeaway being MS knew full well Sony were variable.
Bullshit.
You cannot mmap flash into RAM without decryption. Otherwise it's as good as having no copy protection whatsoever.
And decrypting it in the memory controller that needs to work 560GB/sec - good luck with that.
Ascend
Member
On another note... BCPack might simply be a collection of the different texture compression techniques listed here;
Texture Block Compression in Direct3D 11 - Win32 apps
Block Compression (BC) support for textures has been extended in Direct3D 11 to include the BC6H and BC7 algorithms.
docs.microsoft.com
Metroiddarks
Member
The person of Microsoft replied yes when he was ask about the UE5 running in XSX not same thing but ok test imagine question was other.
The an editor of a web site knows for never publish things without checked good its source says 'yay the demo runs well' I am not sure if
is my english but that is not exactly what the engineer of Microsoft said, yes the engineer give a like instead the normal buzzwords of the entire
team love to use.
But I will give you that, I mean I just had to imagine the marketing work differently for some moments for Xbox you know sometimes they love
to be quiet instant to have Phil Spencer screaming in Twitter "the same demo than the presented run equals or even better" because of course
that doesn't sounds as they way they works.
BTW when I mention to use engineers I talked about 2 persons which were mention not the first tweet.
Kusarigama
Member
Geoff Keighley called it gameplay because that tech demo is a playable demo. It is unlike the Infiltrator tech demo or the Elemental or the Samaritan which were not playable, they just showed the graphical features.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Soo.....the opinions of some Xbox only developers, with no factual knowledge of the PS5? Really? Well, it's all speculation right now so fair enough, I suppose. We'll see more here in the coming weeks and months. Should be fascinating!
Also...Unreal games coming "home" to Xbox? Tell me those folk don't believe that the Unreal engine was designed for the Xbox platform? Hint: it wasn't. Anyway, just some opinions as valid as anyone else's who hasn't gotten hands on with both systems at this point. Good to see that lots of discussion has been sparked though. Who would have thought that a few comments about SSD's and I/O would cause this much ruckus?
Metroiddarks
Member
Also of Rzen 2 .... oh wait then XSX has a incomplete version of Ryzen 2
I know is false but loved that use of logic
Insane Metal
Fake
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Is a part of AMD new tech, not RDNA attached. Was the focus for notebook/ultrathin mobile stuff. Again, I not saying seX don't have because I don't know.
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Metroiddarks
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I heard is already used in xbox one and is very slow ..... I was waiting someone mentionedOn another note... BCPack might simply be a collection of the different texture compression techniques listed here;
Texture Block Compression in Direct3D 11 - Win32 apps
Block Compression (BC) support for textures has been extended in Direct3D 11 to include the BC6H and BC7 algorithms.docs.microsoft.com
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ZeroFool
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The Kinect is still absolute magic to my kids, so I think that is what MS really screwed up on the most. They did not cater it to the correct market segment. On the bright side Peter now has his own virtual kid to keep him company while he waits for acorns to grow.
Overall MS needs to do a better job, or even Sony for that matter. We need Kameo and Knack reboots, a Viva Piñata 3 that is not bloated like 2. I would even say both companies could destroy Leapfrog with some educational games (disclaimer I had two indie educational games on 360 that were horrible mainly because of my budget and talent). I would not take any of that time spent back though, it was fun to help bug review games like Dust as a quick example and getting to know those developers.
Both companies should buy equal rights to Nintendo! Ha ha
Overall MS needs to do a better job, or even Sony for that matter. We need Kameo and Knack reboots, a Viva Piñata 3 that is not bloated like 2. I would even say both companies could destroy Leapfrog with some educational games (disclaimer I had two indie educational games on 360 that were horrible mainly because of my budget and talent). I would not take any of that time spent back though, it was fun to help bug review games like Dust as a quick example and getting to know those developers.
Both companies should buy equal rights to Nintendo! Ha ha
JLB
Banned
Its quite deceptive. The same way Watch Dogs was deceptive. That playable demo has no AI, no menus, no UI overlay. Its not quite real. Non of those additional systems were in play. And this was a 30fps demo, so my guess is that getting it run at 60fps is relatively a challenge.
geordiemp
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Sinthor
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FranXico
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Everybody watched it knowing it was a game engine tech demo. The premise alone prevents it from being deceptive.
And the demo ran with v-sync on and frame rate capped at 30 for stable video output, Epic already confirmed it runs above 30 (though obviously not at 60 yet) with both of those options off. Probably tears frames like it's nobody's business too, though. I think they will get it up to 60fps on both PS5 and XsX before final release.
High-end PCs will very easily reach (and maybe even pass) 60fps without breaking a sweat, I'm confident of that too.
yewles1
Member
If that happens, then MS will have A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of explaining to do with their "fixed clock" statements.
Ascend
Member
Why do you always have to make these backhanded comments? And if you think a CGI artist knows nothing, I don't know what to tell you. I guess I'll be leaving this here;
CGI Artists (also known as computer graphics artists) create 2D and 3D assets used in developing video games and digitally animated films. A CG artist's work usually revolves around finding balance between artistic sensibilities and technical limitations while working within a development team.[1]
In a game development context, CG artists work closely with game directors, art directors, animators, game designers and level designers. CG Artists (typically, technical artists) will also work with game programmers to ensure that the 3D models and assets created by the art team function as desired inside a game engine.
CG artists are typically skilled at creating both 2D and 3D digital art, and often specialize in one or more subsets of content creation such as: hard surface modeling, organic modelling, concept art painting, architectural rendering, animation, and/or visual effects. If the CG artist is a technical artist, they will usually also have programming skills such as shader and script writing, character rigging, and/or skill in languages such as Python, MEL, C++, or C#.
CG artist - Wikipedia
Neo Blaster
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When did they say it was a game? The presentation was pretty clear about it being an interactive demo running in real time on PS5. The term 'gameplay' is not restricted to games, you know...
Metroiddarks
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I will not go much because my intention is not to offend the artist's work ... did you see his / her work? only with that you will realize of what I was talking aboutWhy do you always have to make these backhanded comments? And if you think a CGI artist knows nothing, I don't know what to tell you. I guess I'll be leaving this here;
CGI Artists (also known as computer graphics artists) create 2D and 3D assets used in developing video games and digitally animated films. A CG artist's work usually revolves around finding balance between artistic sensibilities and technical limitations while working within a development team.[1]
In a game development context, CG artists work closely with game directors, art directors, animators, game designers and level designers. CG Artists (typically, technical artists) will also work with game programmers to ensure that the 3D models and assets created by the art team function as desired inside a game engine.
CG artists are typically skilled at creating both 2D and 3D digital art, and often specialize in one or more subsets of content creation such as: hard surface modeling, organic modelling, concept art painting, architectural rendering, animation, and/or visual effects. If the CG artist is a technical artist, they will usually also have programming skills such as shader and script writing, character rigging, and/or skill in languages such as Python, MEL, C++, or C#.
CG artist - Wikipedia
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Vae_Victis
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Wait, are they seriously portraying Tim Sweeney denying the demo ever run on a PC as "adding to the confusion" and "tribalism" (also implying he is flat out lying, BTW)?headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
PCGamer always had an underlying PC elite tone and some shit contributors, but holy fuck this is on another level entirely. Even the trash fanboy websites who initially reported on this eventually retracted or deleted their articles, PCGamer is drinking a gallon of kool-aid and 100% proud of it.
Bo_Hazem
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ethomaz
Banned
And he liked this tweet
He is a Graphics Optimization R&D and Engine Architect @ Microsoft...man you ppl..
One dude ask something there is no way the other dude knows because he never got his hands in the demo to run on X.
It is just guesses without any proof.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Makes sense, thanks.I don't think it applies in the XSX case as MS confirmed fixed clocks. In fact Rich Leadbetter stated that MS made a point to emphasis this several times during his early March visit to Redmond the clocks were fixed. My takeaway being MS knew full well Sony were variable.
So Sony has nice tech to avoid stuttering and lowering framerates.
Killer Sakoman
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It's 1991 guys. There is no playstation yet.
xacto
Member
headline from PC Gamer
"UE5 Demo runs better on laptops than on the PS5"
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Reading through it, I think he is just going over the Epic China leak/interview
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It will be really interesting if we are ever able to truly directly compare the demo on all platforms
Drugs are a terrible thing.
xacto
Member
Soo.....the opinions of some Xbox only developers, with no factual knowledge of the PS5? Really? Well, it's all speculation right now so fair enough, I suppose. We'll see more here in the coming weeks and months. Should be fascinating!
Also...Unreal games coming "home" to Xbox? Tell me those folk don't believe that the Unreal engine was designed for the Xbox platform? Hint: it wasn't. Anyway, just some opinions as valid as anyone else's who hasn't gotten hands on with both systems at this point. Good to see that lots of discussion has been sparked though. Who would have thought that a few comments about SSD's and I/O would cause this much ruckus?
It makes one wonder, where did the TF discussion go? Does it matter anymore, or actually... does it even matter MUCH anymore? I know, when Sony leads, others must follow, but... it's not funny. It just shows how weak and pathetic others are.
sircaw
Banned
That Tf bone will be coming back, that number means everything to some people and will never let it be.
You wait for it, give it a couple of weeks/month and boom, you will get some propaganda video/dealer or some retarded tweet by colteastwood saying it is the second coming of Christ.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
I think I can wrap up my thoughts on the UE5 demo situation with this:
I'm really not that concerned with resolution/FPS. As per usual, there will always be PC hardware that can run something at a higher rez or higher FPS than a console can. I don't think that will ever change.
However, as far pure visual fidelity/image quality, I just need to know if there is difference in how good it can look from platform to platform based strictly on storage bandwidth.
If we end up getting comparisons that prove, without a doubt, that the PS5 version looks better than the others due to it's SSD/data processing speed then that would be a pretty huge win for Sony IMO. If the demo looks the same on XsX and PS5 but worse on a PC with a standard SATA SSD (like an 850 Evo, or something like that), that is still a win, but not quite as pronounced (IMO).
I have to think, based on Epic's comments, that there is some sort of difference between how good it can look from an old school SSD compared to NVME drives, but I would love to see it side by side, shown clearly.
It's something I will be curious about until we, hopefully, find out for sure.
I'm really not that concerned with resolution/FPS. As per usual, there will always be PC hardware that can run something at a higher rez or higher FPS than a console can. I don't think that will ever change.
However, as far pure visual fidelity/image quality, I just need to know if there is difference in how good it can look from platform to platform based strictly on storage bandwidth.
If we end up getting comparisons that prove, without a doubt, that the PS5 version looks better than the others due to it's SSD/data processing speed then that would be a pretty huge win for Sony IMO. If the demo looks the same on XsX and PS5 but worse on a PC with a standard SATA SSD (like an 850 Evo, or something like that), that is still a win, but not quite as pronounced (IMO).
I have to think, based on Epic's comments, that there is some sort of difference between how good it can look from an old school SSD compared to NVME drives, but I would love to see it side by side, shown clearly.
It's something I will be curious about until we, hopefully, find out for sure.
sircaw
Banned
Agree with your points.
I also think price of said consoles will end up being the deciding factor.
It will be hard to choose as both of them are going to be fantastic pieces of kit.
Games-price-performance i guess.
Ascend
Member
I fully agree. But some people are calling some sort of victory before reaching the finish line...
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