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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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prag16
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Sure, you're the expert. I can see the logic in that exhaling is one of the many ways the body eliminates toxins. It isn't unreasonable that normally you're ejecting some of the virus, but covering your face you're continually rebreathing it. You just decided it doesn't make sense because it doesn't fit with your established ideas.
It may be an invalid claim. Who's to say (certainly not you). But it doesn't make "zero sense" on it's face.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Lots of angry women with attitude in that video.
There's one guy being a dick (in the Costco), but even his demeanor was kinda chill.
Chittagong
Gold Member
There has been disappointingly little research on the behaviour of the virus but this is important:
www.dailymail.co.uk
Coronavirus patients stop being infectious after 11 days of being ill
A coronavirus patient becomes contagious around two days before symptoms show and remains contagious for seven to ten days afterwards researchers from Singapore found.
cryptoadam
Banned
The cone of silence lol.
m.jpost.com
If virus isnt infectious after 11 days thats great.
COVID-19 no longer infectious after 11 days, new study claims
These findings could cause changes in current discharge policies of patients who tested positive for the coronavirus disease.
m.jpost.com
If virus isnt infectious after 11 days thats great.
WhiskeyDiver
Member
Don't cough on people.
Stay a decent distance away from others.
Don't cough in your hands, on people, in people, over people, under people in the sewers.
Businesses can tell you to wear a mask if you wish to conduct business in the interior of their commercial property, so if you want dat inflatable kids pool and inflatable beer holder, wear mask.
Can't get covid from penis, so raw dog hooray, creampie away, morning after pill later in the day.
I'm all for reasonable precautions against infections being taken especially for the elderly. On average, Covid is a highly infectious and rapidly spreading virus, but most of the population faces a small risk of serious symptoms or death. For the elderly, the chance of it being fatal is significant. Even a low double digit chance of "You're dead" for a disease is a terrifying and still significant prospect. I'm not against a structured reopening of the entire country, and it will have to happen eventually. If we face another rapid growth in infections, we have the fortunate side effect of knowing what we're dealing with, how quickly it can spread, and have services and supplies in place and in reserve to respond to another potential round of mass infections and thus save more lives.
There's no doubt about it. Covid-19 is a big bitch. It spreads and propagates pretty damn rapidly, it makes the previous coronavirus, SARS, look like a tickle on the back of the throat, killed 350,000 people and orphaned millions of phones in china (
), infected over 5.5 million people, infected 83,000(000) in China, had no potential vaccine to strengthen and increase the immune system's defense, no antivirals have really proven effective in reducing the virus load and giving a lot of people less severe symptoms, shorten it's duration and give those 350,000 plus the ones in the next few months a greater chance of survival. Until medication and a vaccine are developed and at least counteract the severity and lethality , especially for the elderly, we just have to unfortunately live with the fact that Covid-19 is going to be crashing in a lot of peoples homes for a lot longer than we could have guessed 3 months ago. And we cannot just keep everything closed and constricted for an ridiculously long amount of time. If we do so, the ones most affected will be the working middle class.
Unfortunately, we are not 24th century Star trek...far from it obviously. If we had to do this in TNG time, the amount of deaths would be far less. And if you wanted to completely avoid it, transport to your own personal ship and WARP 9 IT TO RISA BABY!
Stay a decent distance away from others.
Don't cough in your hands, on people, in people, over people, under people in the sewers.
Businesses can tell you to wear a mask if you wish to conduct business in the interior of their commercial property, so if you want dat inflatable kids pool and inflatable beer holder, wear mask.
Can't get covid from penis, so raw dog hooray, creampie away, morning after pill later in the day.
I'm all for reasonable precautions against infections being taken especially for the elderly. On average, Covid is a highly infectious and rapidly spreading virus, but most of the population faces a small risk of serious symptoms or death. For the elderly, the chance of it being fatal is significant. Even a low double digit chance of "You're dead" for a disease is a terrifying and still significant prospect. I'm not against a structured reopening of the entire country, and it will have to happen eventually. If we face another rapid growth in infections, we have the fortunate side effect of knowing what we're dealing with, how quickly it can spread, and have services and supplies in place and in reserve to respond to another potential round of mass infections and thus save more lives.
There's no doubt about it. Covid-19 is a big bitch. It spreads and propagates pretty damn rapidly, it makes the previous coronavirus, SARS, look like a tickle on the back of the throat, killed 350,000 people and orphaned millions of phones in china (
), infected over 5.5 million people, infected 83,000(000) in China, had no potential vaccine to strengthen and increase the immune system's defense, no antivirals have really proven effective in reducing the virus load and giving a lot of people less severe symptoms, shorten it's duration and give those 350,000 plus the ones in the next few months a greater chance of survival. Until medication and a vaccine are developed and at least counteract the severity and lethality , especially for the elderly, we just have to unfortunately live with the fact that Covid-19 is going to be crashing in a lot of peoples homes for a lot longer than we could have guessed 3 months ago. And we cannot just keep everything closed and constricted for an ridiculously long amount of time. If we do so, the ones most affected will be the working middle class.Unfortunately, we are not 24th century Star trek...far from it obviously. If we had to do this in TNG time, the amount of deaths would be far less. And if you wanted to completely avoid it, transport to your own personal ship and WARP 9 IT TO RISA BABY!
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nemiroff
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Don't cough on people.
Stay a decent distance away from others.
Don't cough in your hands, on people, in people, over people, under people in the sewers.
Businesses can tell you to wear a mask if you wish to conduct business in the interior of their commercial property, so if you want dat inflatable kids pool and inflatable beer holder, wear mask.
Can't get covid from penis, so raw dog hooray, creampie away, morning after pill later in the day.
I'm all for reasonable precautions against infections being taken especially for the elderly. On average, Covid is a highly infectious and rapidly spreading virus, but most of the population faces a small risk of serious symptoms or death. For the elderly, the chance of it being fatal is significant. Even a low double digit chance of "You're dead" for a disease is a terrifying and still significant prospect. I'm not against a structured reopening of the entire country, and it will have to happen eventually. If we face another rapid growth in infections, we have the fortunate side effect of knowing what we're dealing with, how quickly it can spread, and have services and supplies in place and in reserve to respond to another potential round of mass infections and thus save more lives.
There's no doubt about it. Covid-19 is a big bitch. It spreads and propagates pretty damn rapidly, it makes the previous coronavirus, SARS, look like a tickle on the back of the throat, killed 350,000 people and orphaned millions of phones in china (
Unfortunately, we are not 24th century Star trek...far from it obviously. If we had to do this in TNG time, the amount of deaths would be far less. And if you wanted to completely avoid it, transport to your own personal ship and WARP 9 IT TO RISA BABY!
I do generally agree with much of what you wrote, but I just wanted to say that SARS was still a deadlier virus pr. person infected @ ~15%. Covid-19 is lower, HOWEVER it's way more contagious with a higher R number, and is in that way indeed "deadlier" globally. And with no lockdowns like we've never seen before it would be even deadlier.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
This is right. SARS was far more deadly. But it didn't really spread from asymptomatic people. MERS was the real killer. Something like a 40% mortality for all populations. However it killed people so effectively that it didn't allow for a lot of carriers and thus was able to be controlled. Coincidentally both those diseases are Coronaviruses as well. COVID-19 is special in its ability to spread silently and rapidly. It not being exceptionally deadly allows it to spread more effectively. We are very fortunate this doesn't have the mortality component of those two, or we would have a true doomsday situation.
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Faenrir
Member
Damnit...i'm french and i want to hit that guy. What a stupid idea lol. People are not going to go to restaurants if they need to endure this kind of things when they're allowed to meet in their homes.
Chaplain
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Immunity Passports and the Perils of Conferring Coronavirus Status (The New Yorker)
"The deployment of immunity passports raises a number of logistical and ethical concerns. In the United States, testing could become a barrier to getting a pass: diagnostic testing has been limited, and serology tests, which measure covid-19 antibodies, are still being developed. Even if testing were universally available, people without antibodies will be shut out from the activities of everyday life, creating a divided landscape of antibody haves and have-nots." (5/22/20)
"The deployment of immunity passports raises a number of logistical and ethical concerns. In the United States, testing could become a barrier to getting a pass: diagnostic testing has been limited, and serology tests, which measure covid-19 antibodies, are still being developed. Even if testing were universally available, people without antibodies will be shut out from the activities of everyday life, creating a divided landscape of antibody haves and have-nots." (5/22/20)
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Breathing is not a way that the body gets rid of the virus. You cannot "give yourself" a bigger viral load. I don't even know what you're talking about honestly.
You are right that I am not expert however
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Gp1
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Yeah, this glamorous piece of design will be cheap enough to be disposable after every use or the restaurant will need to clean this shit after every single consumer?
Bad design is always badp design...
I’m seeing the same thing in British Columbia - enforcement in the stores, but not in the lines outside.
Impatient people from behind want to crowd up on you (as though that’s going to get them inside faster). I suppose you’re only being exposed by the people behind you in the line - still, after almost three months of total isolation it makes me angry that someone feels the need to expose me needlessly.
At what point do you forget about manners and just tell the person behind you to stay back?
Impatient people from behind want to crowd up on you (as though that’s going to get them inside faster). I suppose you’re only being exposed by the people behind you in the line - still, after almost three months of total isolation it makes me angry that someone feels the need to expose me needlessly.
At what point do you forget about manners and just tell the person behind you to stay back?
rykomatsu
Member
The moment online ordering / curbside delivery / grocery shopping for hire (instacart) / paying a friend or relative for shopping and door delivery are not available services
Chittagong
Gold Member
We’ve arrived to the dystopian future we all imagined 2020 to be
Just ordered three packs. I loved the option to “complete the look”
Just ordered three packs. I loved the option to “complete the look”
90% of my food and necessities have been bought online or ordered - but some things can’t.
Apart from that, I don’t agree that because I have the ability to order online, people should be entitled to bad behaviour. If a sidewalk stretches for literally 20 blocks then there’s no reason not to space out - unless you’re impatient and inconsiderate.
decisions
Member
I think Japan ending the state of emergency show that this virus has a lot to do with population health. It's likely contagious enough so that efforts to stop it from spreading aren't really effective (consider NY's, Japan's antibody tests), but generally speaking, among patients at a healthy weight, good diet, standard of living, it isn't so deadly.
Weight is probably a big lethality factor for this particular virus, just considering how much more deadly it has been in countries with high obesity rates. In fact that is probably why America (and western countries are doing so bad) is doing so bad. The pandemic in the US will likely be framed as a political matter for months/years to come, but unfortunately it is likely that no one will consider it as evidence to make Americans healthier.
Weight is probably a big lethality factor for this particular virus, just considering how much more deadly it has been in countries with high obesity rates. In fact that is probably why America (and western countries are doing so bad) is doing so bad. The pandemic in the US will likely be framed as a political matter for months/years to come, but unfortunately it is likely that no one will consider it as evidence to make Americans healthier.
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Chittagong
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Wow, UK is back at double digit deaths across hospitals, care homes and community, at 77 today
it’s crazy how fast the virus is disappearing now
it’s crazy how fast the virus is disappearing now
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hariseldon
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Worldometers is saying 121. Still good numbers though.Wow, UK is back at double digit deaths across hospitals, care homes and community, at 77 today
it’s crazy how fast the virus is disappearing now
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hariseldon
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xellos2099alpha
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Again, peopel in japan wear mask nearly 100% and social distance unlike in usa
rykomatsu
Member
Some examples?
I haven't had a single thing I couldn't order and have delivered to car or online which I would consider a necessity - my friends made the same claim, but have always panned out to not actually be true...I'd be interested to see what cases make your scenario unique.
But let's assume for a second you can live 100% from the comfort of your own home. In that case, it doesn't matter whether someone is impatient or inconsiderate or behaving good or bad. The moment I step out of the door, that is me indirectly stating, "I'm comfortable with the risks, the risks are non-zero, and if someone inadvertently passes on a communicable disease to me, so be it".
The only expectations you should have when you step out is:
- People are not deliberately trying to infect you
- It is unreasonable for society to adapt to a risk profile you yourself are comfortable with
When I’m in a lineup outside a store and the empty sidewalk stretches for hundreds of yards down the street, it’s not unreasonable to expect people to stay two meters away from me.
Joe T.
Member
They seem to do a better job of it, that much is true, but that statement oversimplifies and misrepresents reality. You'll have no trouble spotting people not wearing masks and failing to keep 6 feet distance in this walk through Tokyo recorded yesterday:
rykomatsu
Member
That's the same as saying it's unreasonable for someone to park their car on a public street in front of your home.
It doesn't matter how much space there is. Within the context of normal human behavior, the moment you step out your door, it doesn't matter whether you feel something is reasonable / unreasonable.
plushyp
Member
China warns nations demanding reparations for deadly coronavirus are daydreaming
www.express.co.uk
China says nations seeking reparations for coronavirus are daydreaming
CHINA has warned any nations demanding reparations for the deadly coronavirus outbreak they are daydreaming, while again launching a scathing attack against the US for spreading lies and attacking the country.
www.express.co.uk
highrider
Banned
China warns nations demanding reparations for deadly coronavirus are daydreaming
China says nations seeking reparations for coronavirus are daydreaming
CHINA has warned any nations demanding reparations for the deadly coronavirus outbreak they are daydreaming, while again launching a scathing attack against the US for spreading lies and attacking the country.
Yeah, starting to feel like we muight need to show China the definition of air superiority. I would target their largest manufacturing centers. Would have zero issues bombing them in to the Stone Age. Feel bad for their citizens, but somebody needs to do what they can’t.
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Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Not everyone has access to online groceries. The wait times for online deliveries approach several weeks in some places, and some things get delivered to pick up points where they don't do curbside pick up.
This is such a bizarre attitude. What would going to war with China accomplish aside from getting your dick hard?
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decisions
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This may be a factor, but not as big of one as you think. For instance, TIME references a study that showed 7% of non-COVID patients had antibodies: https://time.com/5842139/japan-beat-coronavirus-testing-lockdowns/
Based on studies like that, I think it's relatively unlikely that Japan had such a high-level of effective social distancing that they prevented the spread of COVID-19 in its population. It's much more likely that a lot of people got the virus and were either asymptomatic or had very mild symptoms due to the population being many times healthier by several metrics when compared to the US.
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DeepBreath87
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I do think people underestimate the amount which America's complete lack of personal health plays a role in this. You've got all the obese people with hypertension and diabetes waddling around. And it just so happens those factors are big comorbidities for this. Age is the biggests risk factor, but those others aren't far behind.
xellos2099alpha
Member
Japan also have one of the highest elderly population as well. Also being a near homogenous nation, they ARE in it together. In additonal to mask they also practice good cleaness.
cryptoadam
Banned
Its 40% obese in the USA. Obesity leads to diabities and hypertension. Its probably pretty rare to have either of those and not have weight issues.
One thing it seems is that the 50-70 age range is hit harder in the US, with deaths and hospitalizations. And it probably correlates with obesity (and thus the other health conditions from that).
But we can yell at people for not wearing masks, but don't you dare tell someone being overweight is un healthy. I swear I am sure there are people that would chose quarantines and lock downs forever rather than hearing their own glutton is leading to the virus being a danger to them.
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hariseldon
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cryptoadam
Banned
True, though US and Britain were hard hit, but then there are some places that did better.
DeepBreath87
Banned
Forget unhealthy, you aren't even supposed to tell a fat person they are unattractive. I mean they know it deep down already, but you are not supposed to tell them. Its all about coddling the fragile egos of supposedly grown adults. Forget self reflection and improvement. You're perfect just the way you are and never change. That's the new American Way.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
It’s amazing the amount of able bodied individuals that suddenly have developed “medical conditions” that prevent them from wearing masks, but somehow they have the lung capacity to scream when asked to leave a store for not wearing a mask.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
I think if you told people they can have 95% of their normal life back (sans large public gatherings like sporting events) as long as they wear a mask when indoors and give each other a little space, we'd get much better results with the mask thing. There will always be some small amount of morons who won't participate no matter what. But when you have petty tyrants like the mayor of LA saying people need to wear a mask just to walk out their front door, your going to get a lot of pushback. Mostly because its stupid to think we need to wear masks outside. If you try to make people do a stupid thing, they'll be much less likely to listen when you try to get them to do a smart thing.
Just to be clear, there is no shortage of people who will refuse to wear a mask as some sort of statement, but generally people will go along if you just communicate clearly and make reasonable compromises with them.
Just to be clear, there is no shortage of people who will refuse to wear a mask as some sort of statement, but generally people will go along if you just communicate clearly and make reasonable compromises with them.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
In Bolsonaro's Brazil, everyone else is to blame for virus
RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — With Brazil emerging as one of the world's most infected countries, President Jair Bolsonaro is deflecting all responsibility for the coronavirus crisis, casting blame on mayors, governors, an outgoing health minister and the media.
apnews.com
What a fucking disaster
xellos2099alpha
Member
i do wear mask whenever i even steps out fo the house.
cryptoadam
Banned
I am pro mask, but I saw a lady mowing her lawn with a mask on. There was no one else outside and this is a quiet residential street.
Ya thats overkill. No need for that.
when your inside or in large groups wear a mask for other peoples sake.
Ya thats overkill. No need for that.
when your inside or in large groups wear a mask for other peoples sake.
DeepBreath87
Banned
Ha. I mean congratulations. I guess. Do you wear a condom to get a handjob too? Because you’re about as likely to get COVID outside as you are to get herpes from a girl jerking you off.
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