jose4gg
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"Play a back catalog of supported PS4 games"
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"Play a back catalog of supported PS4 games"
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Guys, what do you think about the last update in the PS5 page and the removal of the backward compatibility stand... Do you think there is something to fear for?
I'm taking it with a grain of salt, I am sure it is still going to have BC so no real worries.
DrAspirino
Banned
See the OP screenshot.
It's the company's official website. I'd take it with a grain of salt if it came from an insider or someone else, but man... this is really Sony shooting themselves in the feet.
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IntentionalPun
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Oh yeah the weird "with system update" thing.
I dunno; sounds like maybe they aren't sure BC will be ready at launch or something.
HAL-01
Member
They probably just want to focus on what’s new and keep it simpleGuys, what do you think about the last update in the PS5 page and the removal of the backward compatibility stand... Do you think there is something to fear for?
Or perhaps they removed the reference to ps4 only because they figured out how to support ps3 and beyond but haven’t announced it yet
pawel86ck
Banned
Software decompression will use CPU like on PC, not hardware decompression block.
ethomaz
Banned
BC
BC is there but they need to stop to talk about BC and start to put fire with new games.Guys, what do you think about the last update in the PS5 page and the removal of the backward compatibility stand... Do you think there is something to fear for?
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Deleted member 775630
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Yes, every game looks better on it. Have you seen RDR2 running on it? It's amazing. But again, we'll see in a couple of weeks.
Hellblade 2. If that was real-time graphics it was pretty impressive.
geordiemp
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Nope those games chosen were current games that run on 5 GB RAM or 8 GB if we think its got Xb1X texture enhancements (and thats pushing it).
So 5 seconds.,,,, what is 8/5 ? or 5/5 as there was 6 last gen games shown.
A 5 GB RAM game should be 2 seconds if the raw speed was really 2.4 without any obstructions, but there are other latency things arent there,,,,?
Did you look at the resume games ? Did they all have extra 4K textures ? mmmm
I saw nobody controlling movement, its called a trailer. Unless I see someone controlling the character from the players viewpoint,,,,,,its a trailer.
We want to see NO TRAILERS otherwise its a game that is likely long way a way - same goes for Sony, .....
Trailer says here is a game announcement for 2 years time..fine but I dont get excited .....at all.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Man some of ya'll or so weird... Sony could easily detail their BC plans more AND.. get this.. still talk about and largely focus on new games lol.
Like they can have someone in charge of BC write a blog post and take away NOTHING from new game announcements.
As a consumer.. give me the damn info.
Like they can have someone in charge of BC write a blog post and take away NOTHING from new game announcements.
As a consumer.. give me the damn info.
Jaxx_377
Neo Member
Also maybe they are trying to sell you TLOU 2 and Ghost of Tsushima and dont want you to think you can just wait for the new system. They are in a business to make money afterall
jose4gg
Member
Yea, so I lost my PS4 due to a robbery, but I know they would LOVE to sell me a new PS4 instead of waiting for the PS5
IntentionalPun
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Errr.. they've already discussed BC on PS5 though. Why would that particular sentence matter to TLOU2 and GoT compared to the fact Cerny already talked about BC?
And why is everyone ignoring the weird "with system update" thing?
That seems like the thing to note to me.
Knowing I can play TLOU2 and GoT on PS5 will actually guarantee a purchase from me not the other way around lol
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ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
The marketing team is probably just streamlining the info on the PS5 page, I highly doubt they are removing BC from the PS5...having BC is part of their game plan to transition everyone to the next gen so no need to read into it.
Metroiddarks
Member
I have curiosity about how XSX will just increment the framerate for all the games if some games has attached
many of his logic and animations to the framerate, I know is not the best practice but happens a lot.
saintjules
Member
Guys, what do you think about the last update in the PS5 page and the removal of the backward compatibility stand... Do you think there is something to fear for?
Why is the resolution of the image so poor?
DaGwaphics
Member
True. Limiting CPU time can really help with things moving too quickly. Run an old game like sims 1 or a DC emulator in VMware, as you decrease the percentage of compute available to the VM you can get the game speed to run more in line as it should. Without doing this, everything moves too fast in some games. This might not be something that they use at all on Xbox, but it can help with old games on PC.
This was just a random thought, not a reflection of something would absolutely be done. I think only MS and developers know exactly how the system works at this point.
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Three Jackdaws
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IntentionalPun
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I believe games like that generally lock framerates though; I think that's why they mention some games can be doubled from 30 to 60 selectively. If they can double the locked framerate and somehow get the game to do those calculations based on the doubled framerate, the game would work fine.
Some games they can't unlock the framerate on but can improve in other ways.
There are PC games with locked framerates that hackers un-lock and fix for instance.
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kuncol02
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Thast's oposite of what I said. They not only require decompresion, but it can't use hardware, because way game data have to be decompressed is hardcoded into game itself.
Looks like BC could not be available on launchGuys, what do you think about the last update in the PS5 page and the removal of the backward compatibility stand... Do you think there is something to fear for?
jose4gg
Member
Why is the resolution of the image so poor?
I had to take the screenshot from a Spanish video, sorry for the quality...
geordiemp
Member
With system update, so why would Sony say you have to update your Ps5 to latest firm ware ?
I can only think that maybe because they are still optimising BC......and there are some ps5 that are already in boxes and have been made using an OS that is already outdated ? Or maybe you have to download some minor patch details for each game by connecting to servers.
I guess each game needs checking and some optimising at least.
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Like another poster said read the actual article. It is about bc, not new games.Eh does really Microsoft or anyone else other than Sony know if/when/to what extent the PS5 will downclock or boost? Isn't it really, really silly and desperate to ridicule details about a console that is not yet released, based on assumptions and rumors with no real facts or real-life examples?
At least the "used game thing" really was a thing, back in the days.
ethomaz
Banned
I believe there is a day one firmware update where all features are unblocked.
PS4 had the same.
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Bonsaibäumchen
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Maybe they decided that statement might confuse people currently. BEFORE they have more chances to talk about the PS5.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I mean.. the PS5 is going to have a day one patch regardless.. I don't know why they'd need to be so specific about BC.
To me it reads like they don't expect BC to actually be ready at launch and that it will be coming in a future patch. Otherwise I don't know why marketing material would need to mention it. All online/media features for any game/console generally require day one patches and I don't see warnings like that being listed in basic marketing blurbs. They put them in fine print.
existensmaximum
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Yes, I know it's about BC. Which we know very little about, regarding PS5. But whatever.
Maybe Microsoft have all the details and have tried it, so they know what it is and what it isn't!They have a built in CELL CPU for PS3 BC an Raytracing.
And they just don't want to tell you about that CELL inside...
So they have to talk about BC later.
And yes, I have no sources for that.
The code isn’t recompiled. There are some articles about it but I don’t know them off hand.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Guys no one explained . Whats the most compatible ever?
Doesn't even make sense
I know thy won't do it but damn tht Kaz parody account should have a field day with tht "most compatible" reference
tht wreaks of desperation and is just pathetic. Wth at Microsoft ok'ed tht reference? Fire them immediately.
DrAspirino
Banned
Exactly. That's why I said it's Sony shooting themselves in the feet: BC it's one of the key features that they should advertise just as much as everything else as a part of their transition plan. They have to lure the 100M PS4 users (most of them casuals) to become 100M PS5 users. The core base will get the PS5 anyway (which are something like 30-40M or so), but I wouldn't be so sure about the rest.
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Come on. Both companies have thrown crap around. Xbox 1.5 ring a bell.
Maybe it won’t be ready for launch so they don’t want to promise something until they can deliver.
Jaxx_377
Neo Member
I get that BC has already been talked about but most of those that are goign to buy these games arent as vigilent as Gaffers and hardcaore gamers are about the latest info on next gen and you dont wan tto tank any sales
I dont think it would hurt ps5 sales I just think they dont want to hurt the games ps4 launch sales with those who are willing to wait out a possible PS5 version so just be vague about it for now and clarify it at a later date
Gamernyc78
Banned
Happens all the time even when Phil comes with tht pr narrative that all companies should work together or Sony isn't the competition right after his interviews someone from Microsoft's twitter pages or social media says some dumb shit or jabs at Sony. It's all pr nonsense and trying to be ninjas but it's very transparent.
Metroiddarks
Member
Was in engine running to 24 frames also below to 4k, if a tech demo running in a some device is like "yeah maybe in the future a game can looks like that"
the trailers in engine are "wow I wish my hardware will be enough powerful to be able of run that" similar but not the same.
IntentionalPun
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"This game will also work on your PS5" makes me buy a game, not the other way around. I can see how SOME would take it differently, but I feel like it's not something that tanks sales as there are different viewpoints on it.
SlimySnake
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This screams desperation. "Please love me. I will be whoever you want me to be."Guys no one explained . Whats the most compatible ever?
Doesn't even make sense
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
That is exactly why we will still have BC, Sony isn't stupid by any means and I highly doubt they would make such a horrible decision like that, I wouldn't sweat it, we will still get BC just like they said we would.
DaGwaphics
Member
I thought they were recompiled also, but it looks like it is pure emulation, by the articles I found: https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/10/23/the-untold-story-of-xbox-one-backwards-compatibility
That poor guy that finished a game at 1fps.
BadBreathOfTheWild
Banned
“with system update” is also clunky English. I think they mean some games themselves might need patches to work, as mentioned by Cerny and as done by Microsoft.
I think it was pulled because it was confusing, and whatever they have lined up will probably explain what they mean by it.
The chances that PS4 backwards compatibility has been removed after how much the GDC talk went over it, and how much work they’ve done to get up to speed on it is zero percent.
My bet is we might see that line returned—perhaps worded better—after a PS5 event where they demonstrate its features.
I think it was pulled because it was confusing, and whatever they have lined up will probably explain what they mean by it.
The chances that PS4 backwards compatibility has been removed after how much the GDC talk went over it, and how much work they’ve done to get up to speed on it is zero percent.
My bet is we might see that line returned—perhaps worded better—after a PS5 event where they demonstrate its features.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
This could be the reason as well. I know before it stated with firmware update, so I guarantee the day 1 firmware update for the PS5 it will have BC...now how many games it will support will be the question, I know they are probably constantly checking compatibility of PS4 games up until launch so that is probably why it was stating after a firmware update because from the date of manufacture to launch there are going to be games that have been added to the list that weren't at the beginning of production. People need to relax about that, we will be getting BC...
Moses85
Member
No problemThey have a built in CELL CPU for PS3 BC an Raytracing.
And they just don't want to tell you about that CELL inside...
So they have to talk about BC later.
And yes, I have no sources for that.
there enough others around here, which guessing daily. Nobody knows anything, they know a shit.
pawel86ck
Banned
Xbox One X patches DL automatically on Xbox One X, and I have no reason to think it's different on XSX. Also I expect XSX must load entire 12 GB RAM (not just 9.5 GB game data) from quick resume save state. MS is emulating BC games, not running them natively.
SSfox
Member
Guys no one explained . Whats the most compatible ever?
Doesn't even make sense
So based this i guess MS has all infos surrounding PS5 BC.
In that case, Sony should let MS do the work, and let MS explain to us how exactly PS5 BC will work.
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DaGwaphics
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Wouldn't resetting the system memory turn back the clock on your OS, you'd be going back to an exact memory image (including downloading that game you were downloading yesterday when you switched states). I would think they'd leave the OS memory out of the equation, you don't want to reset that.
TheAmazingSpiderMan
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The guy is a glorified pixel counter and that’s it, he may know some stuff about tech but mostly talks out of his rear.
He tends to downplay a lot of Sony stuff and not long ago he said the SSD tech won’t help game design going forward apart from loading things faster and was called out for it, he’s not a game dev so he clearly didn’t know, but then again he talks like he know what he’s on about.
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