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It would be called Sega Xbox Series X. Things like that happens all the time especially on markets where people prefer to buy local brands and Japan is probably one of most extreme examples of that kind of market.
I know, but my issues with it still stand, having people buy it because of Sega, when that brand is gone in future hardware (again, if it's not something for future consoles as well) is going to be an uphill battle once again. And for a market with potentially way less growth opportunity in the home console sector than other markets. I don't know, I just don't see it as the most profitable idea ever.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Translate on the bit about BC
Subtitle: Unique design that merges old and new
Since Playstation 5 supports all the games of the previous generations, you can play them on your new console. In other words, all the games that are on Playstation 2, 3 and 4 can be played on Playstation 5. With this feature Sony who steals their users hearts (Turkish adage here and translated directly so..) helps enable gamers keep on playing their beloved franchises without any sacrifice.

If this is true then the Tempest engine is a multi-purpose SPU-like chip that will emulate on a hardware level PS3's CELL. If Sony announces full BC, not sure what's left for poor Aaron Greenberg to brag about.
 

CrysisFreak

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If this is true then the Tempest engine is a multi-purpose SPU-like chip that will emulate on a hardware level PS3's CELL. If Sony announces full BC, not sure what's left for poor Aaron Greenberg to brag about.
I think the probability of that happening is approximately 0%.
But man it would be so funny. It would basically mean that Cerny has now tamed Crazy Ken once and for all.
 

Bo_Hazem

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I think the probability of that happening is approximately 0%.
But man it would be so funny. It would basically mean that Cerny has now tamed Crazy Ken once and for all.

It is possible, actually, if you read some previous posts. Let's listen to Marchitect again, timestamped:



Then about it being possible for other gaming purposes outside audio calculations:

 

kuncol02

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I know, but my issues with it still stand, having people buy it because of Sega, when that brand is gone in future hardware (again, if it's not something for future consoles as well) is going to be an uphill battle once again. And for a market with potentially way less growth opportunity in the home console sector than other markets. I don't know, I just don't see it as the most profitable idea ever.
They can start with Sega branding, then slowly introduce Microsoft co-brand, then switch them in place and slowly remove Sega one. That's how you usually do it. That's how for example Orlen did with their gas stations in Germany. They started by buying known German brand and slowly replacing it with their own.
Japan don't have that much potential grow in market, but that is still huge market to grab. In addition bigger market share in Japan market means more Japan developers making games for Sega Xbox Series X and that's important even outside of Japan. In short, they are not really fighting for Japan consumers, but for Japanese developers.
If that's true, then that is probably smartest move from Microsoft in whole XBox history.
 
They can start with Sega branding, then slowly introduce Microsoft co-brand, then switch them in place and slowly remove Sega one. That's how you usually do it. That's how for example Orlen did with their gas stations in Germany. They started by buying known German brand and slowly replacing it with their own.
Japan don't have that much potential grow in market, but that is still huge market to grab. In addition bigger market share in Japan market means more Japan developers making games for Sega Xbox Series X and that's important even outside of Japan. In short, they are not really fighting for Japan consumers, but for Japanese developers.
If that's true, then that is probably smartest move from Microsoft in whole XBox history.
I can see that being a good thing to come out of it, but without gaining big market share on the right markets, is USA a big consumer of the kind of games they would be able to pump out of that ordeal? I'm genuinely asking, I don't really know how big JRPGs and other kind of games like that are on the USA market, which is obviously Xbox's main market.
 

Bo_Hazem

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I'm telling ya guys, all this new buzz around PS5... The Kraken has awoken.

Sony is cunning; I have a strong feeling they have held back on loads of pivotal stuff about their new console, whispers even boil down to the Duelsense having secrets. I'm not taking things for granted, and I usually don't enjoy other people's misery, but if they also reveal hardware-related things giving the PS5 even more of an edge against SXS I will drink the tears of agonized Xbox fanboys like it was chilled, sweet Kool-Aid on a blazing hot summers eve.

That's very mean... Mean enough to sound like music to my ears.
 

ghairat

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husomc

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In this topic... He hinted multiple times to +13TF, he shared that weird angel/devil video because there were supposedly hints in it.
I think it's more a situation like you have a kid and the kid goes for an exam. You hope that the kid gets an A+ and until the results are announced you dream that you kid is the next Einstein. But when you finally get the results the kid got a B+. You don't disown your kid just coz of a B+.
 

Bo_Hazem

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These are my screenshots on PS4 pro, in photomode.

Even the character models! Wow, man. I have PS4 Pro since day one, but probably I didn't get sniffing-close to those characters to notice all those insane details! The other screenshots I'm used to. In general, HZD has the best HDR implementation on PS4 Pro, most of first party are. Well, in that regard, RDR2 has the shittiest HDR and the blurriest image ever.
 

dr guildo

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Even the character models! Wow, man. I have PS4 Pro since day one, but probably I didn't get sniffing-close to those characters to notice all those insane details! The other screenshots I'm used to. In general, HZD has the best HDR implementation on PS4 Pro, most of first party are. Well, in that regard, RDR2 has the shittiest HDR and the blurriest image ever.

I'm known on NEOGAF to be a close-ups screenshooter, 85% of my posts was about posting screenshots. And came Resetera, and the death of the "console screenshots thread" on Neogaf. So I stoped to post on GAF.

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IkarugaDE

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If the Sega rumors are lining up to go to Xbox, Atlus would most likely be making future Persona games on that platform. That would be interesting.
If it really goes to MS, then I don't think it's just a rebranded sega-series x. We have to think about Segas financial situation on the one and sensible economic decisions on the other hand.
The most meaningful idea could be a strong sega handheld or hybrid with sega exclusives AND access to Microsoft services + games, so Sega would be a part of microsofts console-family with it's own exclusives.
I mean, the Switch was released 3 years ago with a hardware better than PS360, why not having a sega console which comes near the One S and play its game libary?
 
OK got hold of a document apparently from one of the retailers in my country. It is in Turkish and looks similar to official documents for PS4 generation when it was going on pre-order. And it has all the correct specs and everything but also information on BC, it says PS2 and PS3 games are BC on PS5 and not just PS4 games. I will share that now, feel free to discuss if it is fake or if it could be real.

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Edit: source website for your translation pleasure
Fake.
Any game previously loaded in 100 seconds with PlayStation 5, which is 20 times faster than its previous version, will now be loaded in 1 second.
Math is off here, should be 100 times faster. And Sony would never state such precise gains.
What is Hgz ? Later they didn't make the same mistake.
 
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FeiRR

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What is Hgz ? Later they didn't make the same mistake.
I'm not defending this page, just wanted to point out that errors in technical specifications written by non-natives are very common. Part of my job is to translate manuals for medical and scientific instruments that are usually sold for hundreds of thousand $ per unit and they are full of errors like this.
 
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SighFight

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If this is true then the Tempest engine is a multi-purpose SPU-like chip that will emulate on a hardware level PS3's CELL. If Sony announces full BC, not sure what's left for poor Aaron Greenberg to brag about.

In Cerny's presentation on backwards compatibility I thought it was weird to have so much empty space in that graphic. It leaves room for two more consoles to be named in the same font size. Why cramp everything in the top of you don't need the other space?

PS. Sorry for the bad edit... Mobile
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yewles1

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PS5 backward compatibility to PS3 is not too far fetched as it sounds. What better way to utilize the Tempest engine when it's not doing intensive 3D audio, with all the SPU's it's literally a CELL broadband engine (minus the PowerPC general processor)

On that note developers can repurpose the Tempest engine when 3D audio is not required in the game. Can be assisting the workload in specific powerful ways. Remember the PS3 CELL was about 200GFLOPS in its days, that's a lot of CPU power even by today's standards!
It's not, it's INSPIRED by Cell because the SPU's are STILL the king of CPU audio. Tempest is actually a single modified RDNA2 CU at full speed with graphical components taken out.
 

Bo_Hazem

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I'm known on NEOGAF to be a close-ups screenshooter, 85% of my posts was about posting screenshots. And came Resetera, and the death of the "console screenshots thread" on Neogaf. So I stoped to post on GAF.

I'm pretty fresh here, you smell like exotic antique furniture in comparison :lollipop_wink_tongue: I barely go outside this thread, actually signed up for this thread. Would look out for that screenshots thread!

I love The Crew games for screenshots, although its graphics look crappy overall:

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Neo Blaster

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Oh yes, my generation started with PS2 and I only know Sega by the Sonic's games, but I don't know if Sega consoles was popular someday here in Brazil (I didn't see or know anyone with that). But I appreciate your experience and comment, honestly I don't belive in this rumor, but your comment help us to better comprehend the real situation (Sega popularity in Japan or its a possible thing the Sega Series X), thanks.
Oh, then you missed a great console war, Sega Master System/Mega Drive vs Phantom System and other NES variants/SNES in Brazil. It was a graceful brawl, fought in monthly magazines, no internet to give any toxic fanboy a voice like nowadays.
 

TLZ

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Sega Series X rumours keep increasing




If true, this is MS' Trojan horse.

But, what would be the point of it for the Japanese people? They see a Sega branded console, they'll think it has all the Sega games as exclusives, but then they aren't because they're also being sold on the PS4/5 and Switch. So.... Why would they buy it? This is why I don't believe it's true. Unless SEGA will exclusively sell their games in Japan only on that SEGA console, I don't see it happening.
 
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Thirty7ven

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So the big white hope now is that a rumor by a Famitsu columnist, about something big to be unveiled on the 4th, the same day as PS5 unveiling, supposedly about Sega and a day after it’s anniversary, who never mentioned Xbox or Microsoft but in fact mentioned the PS5 wired article...... is about a Xbox rebranded as a Sega console.

You can’t make up this shit. It’s sad really.
 
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ToadMan

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I wouldn't be so quick to assume. We know Guerrilla's second project is a shooter and one of the two new unannounced first party dev teams (one is a brand new studio located in San Diego, the other is a 2nd dev team created within Sony San Diego) was hiring for people with fps experience.

I think SOCOM is in development somewhere amongst Playstation Studios, but I think it may still be a few years away.

Well they may have seen Rainbow Six Siege is still doing well and realised there is a market for tactical shooters and it was just that the last SOCOM didn't quite hit the spot.

Buttttt they might have seen the profusion of battle royales and decided to slap the SOCOM name on one of those.

Really a remaster/remake of SOCOM 1 and 2 would be the way to start - see if there's interest and go from there with a new SOCOM.
 
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kuncol02

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So the big white hope now is that a rumor by a Famitsu columnist, about something big to be unveiled on the 4th, the same day as PS5 unveiling, supposedly about Sega and a day after it’s anniversary, who never mentioned Xbox or Microsoft but in fact mentioned the PS5 wired article...... is about a Xbox rebranded as a Sega console.

You can’t make up this shit. It’s sad really.
That's huge. That's way bigger than you probably can imagine.
 

Vaztu

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Now in hindsight, Jeff Grubb's Summer Game Mess already has June 4 booked for Steamquisition.

June 4 - PS5 event
June 4 - Steamquisition
June 4 - Famitsu Article

Jeff Grubb has not updated his Game Mess to include the Famitsu Article. Could it be that he has it covered with the Steamquisition event ?

 

Bo_Hazem

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Hmm.Not going to be surprised. That Grub guy hinted it with the Mel Gibson pic tweet. Bluepoint did tweet some kind of hints. With a poem.Someone did a good attempt to decipher the poem.Plenty of good guess in the comments too.



With all the Konami rumours and so forth. Wouldn't be surprised those games listed are launch games. Well this is going to keep going until August. LOL.. Well I'll stick around until PS5 launches.


That's just fucking with us. Return from shadow (Shadow Moses, MGS1), then metal and solid add to it. The best game on the PS1 era, to me.

Shadow Moses map on Metal Gear Solid on PS1 in 1998:

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Then there Syphon Filter from the PS1 era as well, one of the best:

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Twisted Metal, addictive!

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Resistance:

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The rest I don't know.
 

TLZ

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I just finished listening to Tim Dog on King Thrash's podcast. KingT731 KingT731 it's you right?

I'd just like to say I apologize for whatever I said before about Tim. Dude came off cool and true on the podcast. I used to think he was a delusional one, but dude sounded like he's just having fun. Good to know. Just shows how crappy all this text talk on social media can be.

Thanks for the podcast Thrash. Keep em coming. Would like to see more of them Youtube Xbox fanatic FN on there :messenger_tears_of_joy: Maybe I'll change my mind about them too.

That bit at the end with Jamia was a hell of a setup and funny too hah.
 
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SSfox

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Hmm.Not going to be surprised. That Grub guy hinted it with the Mel Gibson pic tweet. Bluepoint did tweet some kind of hints. With a poem.Someone did a good attempt to decipher the poem.Plenty of good guess in the comments too.



With all the Konami rumours and so forth. Wouldn't be surprised those games listed are launch games. Well this is going to keep going until August. LOL.. Well I'll stick around until PS5 launches.


If they're remaking MGS1 for me Sony will instant win next gen gaming without even showing anything else.
 
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IkarugaDE

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Hm, there is one thing I find interesting after this MS-Sega rumor. What's with the Series S? Why it's so silent about it on the one hand (during MS is extremely talkative about the Series X and never declined a Series S) but the rumors hold on stubbornly?
 
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I just finished listening to Tim Dog on King Thrash's podcast. KingT731 KingT731 it's you right?

I'd just like to say I apologize for whatever I said before about Tim. Dude came off cool and true on the podcast. I used to think he was a delusional one, but dude sounded like he's just having fun. Good to know. Just shows how crappy all this text talk on social media can be.

Thanks for the podcast Thrash. Keep em coming. Would like to see more of them Youtube Xbox fanatic FN on there :messenger_tears_of_joy: Maybe I'll change my mind about them too.

That bit at the end with Jamia was a hell of a setup and funny too hah.
Why would you apologize about what you said about that retard here in this thread?

You can contact him via twiter ;)
 
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Matsuchezz

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If they're remaking MGS1 for me Sony will instant win next gen gaming without even showing anything else.
I would very much buy that. But the whole game would need a reimagination all the maps and boss encounters would have to be redesigned. If twin snakes can be a reference the maps are simple and uninteresting with just graphic upgrades to the source material. And David Hayter must reprise the role.
 
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