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[hemo memo]

“Keep it locked” yeah slowdown IGN.

 

[Tenka Musou]

So is America starting to calm down yet? I'm not following their news
If things start to wind down we might see the new date set for next week

 

[Crimson_Fate]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say there, is the PS5's SSD supposed to do more than 5.5GB/s raw? You know, like the 100GB instant? 5.5GB/s is the maximum speed the SSD can output, and the Kraken decompressor outputs up to 22GB/s.

Over 5GB/s is PS5's 5.5GB/s maximum output, so beyond of that is a joke to ever over speculate about, with all due respect, and he didn't say words like "only" or "max", but just "above 5GB/s". And until now, there is no gaming platform on earth that can even see the tail-lights of that SSD + I/O throughput and final results, not even that 24GB/s raw BS of the PC.

I'm not trying to make any point, I was responding to MasterCornholio. The Situation he spelled out looks to be about right that the the Kraken Chip would likely bottleneck before the SSD would. This is not a bad thing and I am not trying to make it sound like it is.

Cerney does say over 5 GB/s your right , I don't know where over 5 it lands but I would think that if it could handle the full 5.5 he would have said that.

 

[Faust]

Once more: Let's keep the discussion of this thread on the next-gen announcements, releases, or otherwise. Keep political discourse in one of the other threads that directly talk about it.

Thank you.

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm not trying to make any point, I was responding to MasterCornholio. The Situation he spelled out looks to be about right that the the Kraken Chip would likely bottleneck before the SSD would. This is not a bad thing and I am not trying to make it sound like it is.

Cerney does say over 5 GB/s your right , I don't know where over 5 it lands but I would think that if it could handle the full 5.5 he would have said that.

5GB is the minimum and 22GB is the theoretical maximum.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I'm not trying to make any point, I was responding to MasterCornholio. The Situation he spelled out looks to be about right that the the Kraken Chip would likely bottleneck before the SSD would. This is not a bad thing and I am not trying to make it sound like it is.

Cerney does say over 5 GB/s your right , I don't know where over 5 it lands but I would think that if it could handle the full 5.5 he would have said that.

He said over 5GB/s for the SSD itself, he's a humble man, maybe you're not used to his interviews and talks. When in action, the SSD + I/O is faster than what the RAM can handle (~16GB, capacity), providing above 6k output by doing 20,000,000 polygons per frame (4K is 8,500,000 only, 1440p is 4,200,000, and 1080p is 2,100,000).

That imaginary bottleneck of yours needs to take a back seat.

 

[FeiRR]

When in action, the SSD + I/O is faster than what the RAM can handle, providing above 6k output by doing 20,000,000 polygons per frame (4K is 8,500,000 only, 1440p is 4,200,000, and 1080p is 2,100,000).

Wow, hold your camels! RAM is still roughly 100x faster than SSD.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Wow, hold your camels! RAM is still roughly 100x faster than SSD.

Not speed, capacity. Of course it's faster. (edited the post to avoid confusion)

 

[FeiRR]

Not speed, capacity. Of course it's faster.

Yes, you can fill PS5's memory in 2-3 seconds, depending on the compression. I spotted a 2-second loading tunnel in the UE5 demo and I'm sticking to that speculation for now. *Cerny mentioned fade in/outs to mask those. I think we're going to see a lot of flashing screens in next-gen games.

*) That is Mark Cerny, not Amanda Cerny who you need to see and the links are waiting in the Pony Discord!

 

[lepermessiah]

Juice capacity filled to the brim.

 

[gamerforever]

Bit odd that they’re referring to df to ‘showing’ us the difference. Almost like they are relying on df to do the job for microsoft.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

5GB is the minimum and 22GB is the theoretical maximum.

Maybe we are talking past each other. For output I agree with what you have there.

On the input side it will be whatever "over 5 gigabytes/sec" is for compressed data. The SSD can pull RAW data at 5.5 GB/s if it does not need to be decompressed but reading kraken data it will be limited to whatever that "Over 5 " value is.(between 5 and 5.5 GB/s)

Here is what Cerney said .

"we built a custom decompressor into the i/o unit, one capable of handling over 5 gigabytes of kraken format input data a second. After Decompression that typically becomes eight or nine gigabytes but the unit is capable of outputting as much as 22 gigabytes a second if the data happened to compress particularly well."

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

"Microsoft has bought Sega - Sega Series X - All Sega games exclusives for the Series X"

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM that's good satire

 

[Nickolaidas]

my reply is to what you said, not what CDPR is doing. You're complaining that "some lives dont matter" because police hurt some people in your country and no one did anything about it.

But now theres a massive movement against police brutality and you're somehow upset by that. I dont know where you live, but i know movements spread. The entire world is looking at how it unfolds and if it proves successful it will spark activity internationally, the same way other civil rights movements have. So i dont understand this attitude of being apathetic or even cynical towards this.

Btw this doesnt directly affect me. I'm not black, im not even American, but i recognize its a good thing for everyone.

This. This so much. My people in Greece suffered 300 years of slavery from the Turks until we rebelled and took back our country.

When I learned years later that the Greeks rebelled because they were inspired by the French rebellion in 1799, it blew my fucking mind.

So yeah, the world can hear if you shout loud enough. And one country's trials and toils have the chance to affect another country's people.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Maybe we are talking past each other. For output I agree with what you have there.

On the input side it will be whatever "over 5 gigabytes/sec" is for compressed data. The SSD can pull RAW data at 5.5 GB/s if it does not need to be decompressed but reading kraken data it will be limited to whatever that "Over 5 " value is.(between 5 and 5.5 GB/s)

Here is what Cerney said .

See, what you're doing here is like asking to put a 1000km/h speedometer into a Bugatti while it can only do 490-500km/h max. (1 mile = 1.609 km)

 

[FeiRR]

By the way, YouTube sign in doesn't work on PS4. Probably related to those website changes. Sony is doing something to their network infrastructure.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Once more: Let's keep the discussion of this thread on the next-gen announcements, releases, or otherwise. Keep political discourse in one of the other threads that directly talk about it.

Thank you.

But the ps5's reveal was delayed by a political/social 'event'. Surely it's not considered off-topic now?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

By the way, YouTube sign in doesn't work on PS4. Probably related to those website changes. Sony is doing something to their network infrastructure.

PlayStation should have their own streaming and gaming video website.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Guys, did you see this crap?




It's official.

Please note this is not the "big" announcement on kotaku. It happens tomorrow (june 4th), not today.

Btw: Actually I switched to believe more in a cloud gaming-service than a console.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Please note this is not the "big" announcement on kotaku. It happens tomorrow (june 4th), not today.

Btw: Actually I switched to believe more in a cloud gaming-service than a console.

Well, it depends on your lifestyle. If you walk around and active daily, maybe you are stuck at places and bored and some cloud gaming could help.

 

[SgtCaffran]

Yes, you can fill PS5's memory in 2-3 seconds, depending on the compression. I spotted a 2-second loading tunnel in the UE5 demo and I'm sticking to that speculation for now.

That tight section in the UE5 demo? That was confirmed by Epic not to be there for loading purposes. And so much is clear if you just look at the flying part at the end.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Well, it depends on your lifestyle. If you walk around and active daily, maybe you are stuck at places and bored and some cloud gaming could help.

You know, I'm really not a great Sega-fan. But a competitor for Nintendo on the hybrid-segment would be great. IMO Nintendo makes things much to expensive.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You know, I'm really not a great Sega-fan. But a competitor for Nintendo on the hybrid-segment would be great. IMO Nintendo makes things much to expensive.

A new vita would work well for Sony if it can be as capable as base PS4 and runs all PS4 games. Sega and Nintendo don't seem to have that much games, I guess. It might even support PS4 for a much longer time as well, and make all of them crossbuys.

 

[IkarugaDE]

TBH, Nintendo really has a strong first party lineup and makes a lot of effort with their games. On most of these games you feel the love and devotion from the developer. My girlfriend plays Animal Crossing acutally and I was really amazed what huge content is in there.
The Switch also lives from (sometimes amazingly balanced) ports from older PS360 and also some current-gen games. What delevopers do with that strange tablet with removable controllers is really great.

But that's the problem why Sega would have a very hard time to compete with nintendo. Segas IPs aren't so strong anymore that this could be a reason for purchase agains the switch.

Regarding to a PS4 mobile: Interestingly enough I had the same thoughts a few months ago. But after Sony clearly said they will perform a quick move to the next gen I buried the idea.

 

[Moses85]

This really wouldn't surprise me at this point.

• Supply and assembly in Asia will be messed up for months still at the best of times, even if there are no new large Covid waves (which increases assembly costs the more, the quicker and the more consoles you want done)
• South America's economy is going down the drain
• Africa and India will most likely be a blood bath due to the several diseases spreading with little hope to contain them effectively
• Europe will face some degree of recession and unemployment crisis and there could be more lockdowns here and there near the end of the year, which could get worse due to mass migrations from Africa
• The US scored the Apocalypse Bingo and will pretty much get all of the above at once, with political unrest inevitably surging as we draw nearer to the elections right in October and November

From Sony's point of view, aiming for a Fabruary-April 2021 launch does sound like a much safer bet.

This thing will not get delayed. Zero chance.
5 days ago they confirmed convid wont impact the Launch... doesn’t make sense.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

TBH, Nintendo really has a strong first party lineup and makes a lot of effort with their games. On most of these games you feel the love and devotion from the developer. My girlfriend plays Animal Crossing acutally and I was really amazed what huge content is in there.
The Switch also lives from (sometimes amazingly balanced) ports from older PS360 and also some current-gen games. What delevopers do with that strange tablet with removable controllers is really great.

But that's the problem why Sega would have a very hard time to compete with nintendo. Segas IPs aren't so strong anymore that this could be a reason for purchase agains the switch.

Regarding to a PS4 mobile: Interestingly enough I had the same thoughts a few months ago. But after Sony clearly said they will perform a quick move to the next gen I buried the idea.

Actually both could co-exist PS5 and PSP2? Handhelds are their own market. And yes, when my daughter grows up, I think Nintendo seems the most family-friendly platform. But girls aren't as much as guys into gaming, I guess.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Actually both could co-exist PS5 and PSP2? Handhelds are their own market. And yes, when my daughter grows up, I think Nintendo seems the most family-friendly platform. But girls aren't as much as guys into gaming, I guess.

Yeah, a new PlayStation portable would be so great, but I guess sony closed that door.

Btw, I'm really curious what Nintendos next thing is and if they can compite with both sony- and ms-monsters.

 

[FeiRR]

PlayStation should have their own streaming and gaming video website.

Nothing beats YT in terms of video content selection. I wouldn't care about such a website. Besides, I bet it'd be "not available in your piss-poor country".

That tight section in the UE5 demo? That was confirmed by Epic not to be there for loading purposes. And so much is clear if you just look at the flying part at the end.

No, two doorway sections when the demo has to swap most of its memory due to a dramatic asset changes.

 

[Cyborg]

As soon the first box is ready it will get leaked. If Sony doesnt hurry to reveal the box someone else will do it for them

 

[farmerboy]

Juice capacity filled to the brim.

You and your juice

 

[Faust]

But the ps5's reveal was delayed by a political/social 'event'. Surely it's not considered off-topic now?

There are other threads that are dedicated to the political nature of the situation. This isn’t one of them. We ask that you please carry that conversation to one of those threads to keep this one on the topic of the hardware and software news, reveals, etc.

 

[BGs]

So, any info about PS5 means everything about PS5. Dev should correct reporter for question about CPU clock. Something like: "sorry dude, a little correction, 3.5 GHz for PS5 is SMT, so the right comparison would be 3.6 GHz for XSX, not 3.8."
Then he should said that he doesn't know nothing about PS5 SSD because he can’t discuss any info regarding PlayStation. Just like Louise Kirby knows everything about PS5. /s

Yeah, bollocks this interview is.

Maybe i'm wrong, but, they have and exclusive. They know all. And they can't say nothing.

 

[bitbydeath]

Maybe we are talking past each other. For output I agree with what you have there.

On the input side it will be whatever "over 5 gigabytes/sec" is for compressed data. The SSD can pull RAW data at 5.5 GB/s if it does not need to be decompressed but reading kraken data it will be limited to whatever that "Over 5 " value is.(between 5 and 5.5 GB/s)

Here is what Cerney said .

That reads to me like over 5GB/s for standard compression and if compressed particularly well then it could go as high as 22GB/s ?

 

[Frederic]

That's my guess, and that's already confirmed by Epic Games big shots. But I wanna see how much it'll scale down.

Scale down? You mean scale up, right? I mean, the demo was only 1440p, so very low res and Sweeney confirmed that the Engine scales well with the GPU:

A number of different components are required to render this level of detail, right?" offers Sweeney. "One is the GPU performance and GPU architecture to draw an incredible amount of geometry that you're talking about - a very large number of teraflops being required for this.

So, when GPU load gets high we can lower the screen resolution a bit and then we can adapt to that. In the demo we actually did use dynamic resolution, although it ends up rendering at about 1440p most of the time.

So, would be interesting how it would scale up with a lager number of teraflops.

Software isn't Microsoft's strength, anyone used PC's long enough (since 1996) would know that. They're just the most compatible with critical programs, and if Apple doesn't want to release their OS or Google to grow some balls with their Chrome OS it'll remain the only choice for people wanna use desktops.

are you serious? lol or is it a joke?
the biggest TRILLION DOLLAR software company = software isn't their strength? wtf are you talking about?

 

[Frederic]

This Tuesday is the day we all have been waiting for! I promise Sony’s gonna announces the June event officially. If nothing happened you can sacrifice me! You’ve my words!

This didn't age well.

 

[ResilientBanana]

That's more an example than a contrary argument. The tighter space of the XSX chassis allows MS to control air flow. 1u & 2u servers can be modelled in the same way. As soon as you get large open cavities' in the PC, you can no longer micromanage airflow.

But the heatsink is still massive.

Yup, the design of the XSX is much superior to PC's, and that fan and tight design would help for a much faster in/out air circulation. The PS5 cooling solution is not clear yet, but it's something unprecedented as reports say.

On XSX, make those back blocked vents open and you'll end up in less pressure and less cooling efficiency.

You’re not understanding.,both the PC and the Xbox Series X have huge heatsyncs. All I’m trying to say is the PS5 will be bulky.

 

[BGs]

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One appears to have significantly more hardware offloading. This is why lining up discrete components up in a table isn’t telling you the whole story.

This is what happens when you have more custom co-processors dedicated to freeing the Cpu and Gpu from some tasks. That all the power you have is dedicated to what has to be dedicated. Of course, it also means that these co-processors have an economic cost. You remove from one place and put in another. So it is possible that PS5 may be more expensive than XSX (possibility, I do not know the price of any)

 

[TBiddy]

are you serious? lol or is it a joke?
the biggest TRILLION DOLLAR software company = software isn't their strength? wtf are you talking about?

Look who posted it. Just the usual trolling from him.

Microsoft is a software company, and while they certainly have flaws and make stupid design decisions from time to time, anyone using Microsofts products for more than shitposting on Neogaf will tell you that there is not a single company out there with the same capabilites and skills as Microsoft.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Ther isn't a better gif for the Sega news

I think that's people trying to look at the screen at what they are playing

 

[kebaldo]

I think that's people trying to look at the screen at what they are playing

I was meaning exactly that lol sorry for my bad English

 

[geordiemp]

NM

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

You and your juice

 

[FeiRR]

.

This is what happens when you have more custom co-processors dedicated to freeing the Cpu and Gpu from some tasks. That all the power you have is dedicated to what has to be dedicated. Of course, it also means that these co-processors have an economic cost. You remove from one place and put in another. So it is possible that PS5 may be more expensive than XSX (possibility, I do not know the price of any)

A lot of people forget about the R&D costs when they compare BOMs of both. Parts are one thing, development costs are another. I bet Sony has invested relatively a lot more than Microsoft because of how important Playstation is in their own ecosystem. We'll get those numbers in the next year's financial data. It might be a huge loss year for them but it will pay back later.

 

[Vae_Victis]

This thing will not get delayed. Zero chance.
5 days ago they confirmed convid wont impact the Launch... doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, Covid alone probably wouldn't have. But now more and more issues are piling up. Who the hell knows what will be the situation in the US come the end of the year. I want to remind you that their general election takes place on 3 November.

If there is a resurgence in the riots because people flip on their own again or Trump does something egregiously illegal and undemocratic near that date (both probable), I don't think Sony - or Microsoft for that matter - will really want to launch a new flagship piece of electronic in said climate. "PS5 out now, come loot it at your nearest electronics store."

Of course if things are a mess only in the US they could still have a scattered launch in other regions, but I doubt that would fly well in the face of their PR stance of "we support you, now it's your time to speak" (since making a product available everywhere except where the protests are taking place would easily be perceived as an implicit admission that Sony is not really OK with what is going on).

 

[xacto]

That's an 8 hours (sleep) worth of notifications though, I always clear them up

Shit, I'm still at page 2123, need to hurry up.

HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO SLEEP?!?!?!

 

[CrysisFreak]

I just want a new date to look forward to...

 

[Codexer]

 

[xacto]

All that matters is that I'm getting JuiCy.

Bro, your random posts kill me dead!!! EVERY. SINGLE. TIME

 

[xacto]

Yes, you can fill PS5's memory in 2-3 seconds, depending on the compression. I spotted a 2-second loading tunnel in the UE5 demo and I'm sticking to that speculation for now. *Cerny mentioned fade in/outs to mask those. I think we're going to see a lot of flashing screens in next-gen games.

*) That is Mark Cerny, not Amanda Cerny who you need to see and the links are waiting in the Pony Discord!

Amanda Cerny, how fast do you think she can be filled... no, sorry, wrong thread.

 

[Brudda26]

Yes, you can fill PS5's memory in 2-3 seconds, depending on the compression. I spotted a 2-second loading tunnel in the UE5 demo and I'm sticking to that speculation for now. *Cerny mentioned fade in/outs to mask those. I think we're going to see a lot of flashing screens in next-gen games.

*) That is Mark Cerny, not Amanda Cerny who you need to see and the links are waiting in the Pony Discord!

That wasnt a loading tunnel, epic confirmed that was there to show the character interacting with the environment smoothly. Like how the hand naturally interacts with the rock face etc