That's what guys gotta do nowdays, with how things are going if she refuses just immediately get away from her.
Or just avoid dating girls that might be there for your money or status.
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Angry Joe being accused of sexual harassment
- Thread starter Shantae
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Or just avoid dating girls that might be there for your money or status.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
I can't because we would have lost.
I genuinely fear for what this country will become(and is already becoming) when these "I'm offended by everything" generations start running for political offices.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
She texted him at 2am. Then went to his room and stayed in it while he went and showered. IMO that's not something a "woman" would do who has a "boyfriend". If
that had been my girlfriend, her ass would have been dumped and she'd have been walking home.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Guys, just because he defended himself doesn't mean he's innocent. However, just because he was accused, he is guilty. Please follow these guidelines or get banned.
This is so incredibly crass:
Take her side: Good
Wait for more information: Our mouse is hovering about your ban button
Take his side: Banned
I just tweeted this to Joe, maybe like and share it so it garners his attention. I don't think he already realized how big of a part Resetera plays in this shitshow:
GreatnessRD
Member
So basically it came out she was lying about being forced to give my mans the top? Is that correct? If so, her ass should be charged and sent to jail. They need to sign that into fed law. People out here making bullshit claims and then go "lol, no, it didn't really happen but almost did". Ruining folks reputation and money. Shit wild outchea.
It is completely wrecking my head that some people (such as
BluRayHiDef
) do not seem to have any grasp at all on how dating and hooking up etc actually works in practice.It's not like say to a woman you've just met "hey I want to have sex with you, OK".
Like, except for very rare cases, if you do that she's probably going to think you have no social awareness at all.
So maybe you've spent all night chatting to a woman at a bar.
You want to take things further so you might say "I'm gonna grab a pizza and head home do you want to come along".
If she says "yes" then that doesn't guarantee anything BUT it is an indication that she wants to spend more time with you.
She probably even appreciates that you aren't being weird about it.
I reckon 9 times out of 10 if you said "right I am heading home do you want to come back to my place to have sex" she is going to nope the fuck out of there.
Same with dating really. For most people the first few dates will be at neutral venues as you get to know each other but if things are going well you'll probably say "do you want to come over and watch a movie at my place next weekend" or something like that.
Again, it's not a guarantee of anything but if she says "yes" then you can be pretty sure you are making some good progress,
One again, 9 times out of 10 if you say "OK next time will be our third date so come to my house for sex, maybe" she is going to not respond super positively.
Maybe I am fucking WAAAAAY off here but in my experience the vast majority of women will not be super forward when it comes to getting it on and a smaller majority will not be cool with a guy being too forward either.
Generally it will be a case of "testing the water" before making ones intentions a bit more clear.
"Do you want to come up to my room" would be a pretty decent way of trying to get the lay of the land.
For fucksakes "do you want to come in for coffee" is so ubiquitous I can hardly believe there are so many people who don't "get it".
Maybe there's poor, unfortunate, women all over the world going on dates with fools like
BluRayHiDef
and thinking "finally going to get laid for the first time in months" when they ask "you wanna come in for coffee" only to discover that, nope, it really really really was just an invite for coffee.Holy shit, I grew up in the days where you'd talk about getting to first base and second base etc.
Maybe the young ones these days are just going up to each other like "do you want to have sex now" since one wouldn't want to come across as being predatory by saying things like "do you want to come over and watch Netflix".
Shit even with work colleagues or back in University there would still be some form of socially acceptable "perfromance" or pretext for the two of you just happening to end up alone together but also giving an easy, face saving, "out" if one of you wasn't into it.
"Do you want to come up to my room?"
"Nah, I'll just wait down here thanks."
Problem solved. She's just not that into you mate.
Incredible.
I dunno if they are all just naive or inexperienced.
Or maybe it's just me.
What am I missing here
BluRayHiDef
?Many many moons ago I borrowed some DVDs from a female colleague who I had been flirting with for a while.
She messages me at 1am on a Saturday asking me what I am up to and when I say nothing she asks if I'd mind coming over to drop off the disks.
So obviously I have a swift shower and toothbrush and get a taxi over there ASAP.
We bang.
Was her behavior predatory?
Or was she actually being socially competent?
Asking me about the DVDs knowing if I say "I'm too tired" or I don't reply or I say "I will bring them in on Monday for you" so that I can reject her without either of us feeling too bad about it.
Then if I say "yes, I'll be there in an hour" she knows that I am interested and for sure we are going to take things to the next level.
How are people not understanding this basic shit?
We are, so are all of the them. Including the women.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
Just because she accused him doesn't make it true either. What happened to due process? Anyone can make an accusation and people immediately believing the accuser unequivocally is not right.
www.resetera.com
Banned in 3, 2, 1 ...
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Modern age witch-hunting.
No wonder that a lot of white men are becoming gay - because they will be blamed anyway, and women cannot attack Arab or black because they would be declared racist immediately ROFL. It seems like Eastern European countries will have to save the west again Last time it was from ottomans, this time it will be from SJW.
But it is really growing into a situation where it all boils down to whether she will like you all the time or not and you will have to sign a contract before any non-working communication in order not to be accused of something just in case. And the interesting thing that it often happens with some "small" actresses or somebody else who originally willingly played a gold digger, then when became more famous accused a person to solidify their own position.
No wonder that a lot of white men are becoming gay - because they will be blamed anyway, and women cannot attack Arab or black because they would be declared racist immediately ROFL. It seems like Eastern European countries will have to save the west again
Last time it was from ottomans, this time it will be from SJW.But it is really growing into a situation where it all boils down to whether she will like you all the time or not and you will have to sign a contract before any non-working communication in order not to be accused of something just in case. And the interesting thing that it often happens with some "small" actresses or somebody else who originally willingly played a gold digger, then when became more famous accused a person to solidify their own position.
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Hero_Select
Member
I got a 2 week ban for essentially saying "We dont know all the details, stop calling her a liar and stop calling him a shithead" then having the opinions of "It seems like she's backing away from her accusations now"
Honestly I hate posting on Era, people are so goddamn over-sensitive and overreact and everyone is turned to "I'm outraged by this" mode.
For me that does change things quite a bit.
It's at odds with her detailed story now but it's a much more serious allegation.
There's a big difference between navigating the social conventions surrounding hooking up and out right coercion.
Though, for me anyway, coercion would need to be clearly communicated.
Like "do this and you'll get the job" or "if you don't do this there will be negative consequences".
Or even just constant sustained pressure to try and convince someone to do something when they are saying "no".
So the guy who buys a girl drinks all night and then gets mad when she won't come back to fuck is fine so long as he doesn't take it beyond simple frustration.
However the guy who claims he can make all her dreams come true if she'd just do the things he asks in bed is really a bit of a disgusting individual.
There are obviously going to be grey areas though.
If some guy rocks up at a club flashing his wealth around is he considered a predator if his wealth is attracting women he might not otherwise be able to attract? I mean, some of the ladies will be chasing him thinking they can gain access to said wealth or at least enjoy some luxuries possibly.
Then that raises the question of who is chasing who.
Was Joe using his status to try and seduce her?
Or was she trying to use Joe to get some social status of her own?
Seems like a personal issue that should have never gone public, really.
Maybe they should have just sorted it out among themselves.
He didn't do anything illegal for sure and possibly didn't even do anything immoral here either.
Kerotan
Member
If that was my girlfriend I'd be extremely pissed with her. And if that was me in her situation there would be a nuclear fallout with her.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It just solidifies my opinion that you should not pursue anything with western women, especially if you are born before 2003-2004 year. At least the world is big now, so it is not really a problem.
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OutRun88
Member
Well put. I would clarify that coercion does not include the specific example of "do this and you'll get the job". It would have be something along the lines of "if you don't do this you'll never get the job".
Using wealth to get what you want is an ethical matter. At the end of the day legal adults have agency.
MiguelItUp
Member
But in everything that she accused him of, the only "sexual advance" he made was inviting her to take a shower. If true, is that creepy? Most definitely. The dude is pretty awkward and probably doesn't have the best time talking to girls. Let alone one he could've been attracted to. Regardless, that doesn't warrant him being accused of what he's being accused of. Other Joe was even in the room at the time, they weren't alone. I'm sure in HIS mind it was probably a very forward way of saying, "Hey girl, I like you."
If he did stuff like that and more to multiple women, then I'd feel different about this. But this, from one person, sounds overblown in my opinion. Not to mention this all could've been avoided if she said she had a boyfriend, said he was making her uncomfortable, or she decided to walk away if and when she felt uncomfortable.
I'm a guy, so of course these things are different. But I've had girls and guys (even though I don't swing that way, lol) make advances towards me that made me go, "Well, that sounded awful/odd, lmao." But that was really it. These were also people I worked with, but outside of work. I never once thought about going to HR, etc. If I was legitimately harassed, by a person or people, that's different. I would've done or said something to them directly. I especially wouldn't have thought of going to social media. But one weird comment that never came up again? Come on man. This generation/society wave is really odd.
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Kerotan
Member
Whatever about suing her websites like era need to be sued for defamation. Anyone who even remotely tries to defend Joe who let's not forget is innocent as of now gets banned. Talk about a clear agenda.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I presume people don't get banned on gaf for taking either side? So we can actually have a debate.
I got banned on there for saying mixer racism issue was going to be the final nail in its coffin. Within hours of being banned mixer is shut down. Talk about being vindicated, but no I must be banned because I didn't show enough concern to the black chappy the thread was about
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I wonder how much the rise of online dating has played into this.
If online dating is really common and widespread then you might have a new generation of people who see dating/flirting interactions as being the purely confined to dating sites. As in, when you say hi and break the ice and get to know someone on a dating site the idea that this is supposed to lead to something is pretty much baked into the situation.
So that woman you like from work or your social circle or the local gym is pretty much off limits because that's not a recognized "channel" for such interactions?
What I'm wondering is if she had met Joe on Tinder and he says "come over to my hotel room" the context is clearly defined.
Whereas in real life "come over to my hotel room" might mean simply to come to the room with no other context?
I dunno. It really does seem like a potential minefield.
This is another thing that is kind of troubling is the idea that women just don't have agency at all when it comes to situations like this.
She claims to have been unable to use her phone for hours but it's like how hard would it be to just make an excuse to go to the toilet and send a message while in there. Or tell him you need to go outside for 5 minutes. I dunno.
She had so many opportunities to say no and walk away here and actually in the end she did say no and did walk away and he was fine with it.
Even then he still has to get dragged because he made her feel like she'd got his hopes up or something?
I'm done trying to make sense of it. Just thank fuck I never had to deal with dumb shit like this and never will have to.
OutRun88
Member
As sad as this is, you may actually be on to something. Even an innocent cat-call in public feels like you're crossing the line now days, knowing the potential negatives that can come about if directed at the wrong woman.
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NullZ3r0
Banned
It would be a badge of honor. That place is Reddi with anal cancer.Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
Just because she accused him doesn't make it true either. What happened to due process? Anyone can make an accusation and people immediately believing the accuser unequivocally is not right.
Banned in 3, 2, 1 ...
ShadowLag
Member
Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
Just because she accused him doesn't make it true either. What happened to due process? Anyone can make an accusation and people immediately believing the accuser unequivocally is not right.
Banned in 3, 2, 1 ...
The dude is already getting blasted by checkmarks and normal posters alike, to the surprise of no one. What a fucking world.
NullZ3r0
Banned
Era is Late Stage Liberalism on display. Its basically social authoritarianism. This usually happens when your ideology is morally indefensible so you just shut up dissenting thoughts.
Mobilemofo
Member
Of course, but that's not normal pisshead behaviour and you know it. The whole paying for the taxi things seems an obvious attempt to play the gentleman card.. I'll wait for a statement, if one comes from him at all, Apart from the legal notice to her. Like I said, I believe her, but I am well aware of women who play the long game so to speak.
Fnord
Member
Saw a story about a comic book writer (that I'm definitely not a fan of) today where he came on to an aspiring comics writer at a bar. She said no and left. The next day she went by his table at the convention and he apologized and asked her to accompany him for a coffee, which she did. During coffee, he asked for her number and email, which she gave him. Yadda, yadda, yadda, now he's on blast for pursuing her. Here's an idea... if you're not interested, how about not go back to the dude's table. How about not give him your number. Sigh.
MiguelItUp
Member
There's a story I shared in the first couple of pages about two previous coworkers of mine that had a consensual (albeit they were drunk) fling. One wanted a relationship, the other didn't, made it apparent he wasn't interested. She wouldn't let up, so he ghosted her. Eventually they talked about it, hashed it out, he apologized it even happened, and that was it. Then she randomly posted on Facebook like a year or so later (if not more) to accuse him of rape and say "drunk consent is not consent."
It terrified me. They're in their mid-twenties. It made me very happy to be in my mid-thirties, lmao. I fear for the future of others.
I felt this even more so when I saw some scene on a show called "Working Moms" where this dude and his lady separated and he begins seeing another girl. He was asking her if it was okay to do everything before he did it. The other girl got annoyed and weirded out by it and left, lmao. I was like, "I feel like this is what is going to happen in real life for a lot of kids, lol."
Shantae
Banned
Hm, I don't like admitting when I'm wrong, but this may be the more damning thing I've seen. Usually the people who lie I would think they would make up stuff after the fact, let's say 2 years later, but if this is referring to AngryJoe, than we can at least say that she was always uncomfortable by the situation.
Even still, I feel that she's a bit of a child. She comes across as immature, and think everything that makes her uncomfortable must be some kind of criminal offense, which it isn't. She think it's harassment if a man hits on a woman, especially when they don't know they have a boyfriend.
INC
Member
I once hooked up with a less that desirable looking female, didn't want wake up next to a fanny that looked like a dropped lasagna, so nicked a £10 out her bag to get a cab home
Come at me resetera
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Joe is done for.
I think it is mostly a western problem. Westerners literally got themselves into a trap by being cunning and eloquent speakers. In the east, the power dynamic between genders is historically completely different.
Add to that the bubbles that the societies are forming and we repeat a full cycle of history. Still, it is fascinating how both in the past - witch-hunting and now - is all about beliefs.
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bearofparadise
Member
I miss when gaming was just about games, not all this celebrity tabloid level nonesense. Wearing yoga pants in public was the beginning of the downfall of western civilization.
OutRun88
Member
That's insane. It would seem every guy needs to document in detail their encounters to save their own asses in the future.There's a story I shared in the first couple of pages about two previous coworkers of mine that had a consensual (albeit they were drunk) fling. One wanted a relationship, the other didn't, made it apparent he wasn't interested. She wouldn't let up, so he ghosted her. Eventually they talked about it, hashed it out, he apologized it even happened, and that was it. Then she randomly posted on Facebook like a year or so later (if not more) to accuse him of rape and say "drunk consent is not consent."
It terrified me. They're in their mid-twenties. It made me very happy to be in my mid-thirties, lmao. I fear for the future of others.
I felt this even more so when I saw some scene on a show called "Working Moms" where this dude and his lady separated and he begins seeing another girl. He was asking her if it was okay to do everything before he did it. The other girl got annoyed and weirded out by it and left, lmao. I was like, "I feel like this is what is going to happen in real life for a lot of kids, lol."
Directed at the bolded portion: I think most women would agree this is a big turn off for them. It really puts men in a catch-22.
Business
Member
Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
Just because she accused him doesn't make it true either. What happened to due process? Anyone can make an accusation and people immediately believing the accuser unequivocally is not right.
Banned in 3, 2, 1 ...
It's quite amusing to read the page on resetera with a couple of guys walking on eggshells suggesting maybe we shouldn't automatically believe the word of the accuser. They try their very best to be as smooth as possible, then they get totally bullied and in the end they all but have to show themselves thankful for having been educated. A little North Korea they have going on there.
ambar_hitman
Member
Basically SimpEra guys have no idea how flirting or seduction works? Are they 12? And they call those who are doubting her as incels? WTF? They are literally incels and SIMPs. Angryjoe should threaten legal action against them too.
ShadowNate
Member
So, it's not Resetera, but uhm... another forum infested by cancel culture is on the verge of cratering upon itself.
Because of cancel culture backfiring.
Because of cancel culture backfiring.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Namedrop them so people know where to avoid. Not interested in any place where men are prejudiced against other men for being a man.
ShadowNate
Member
Yeah, sorry. The forum is Something Awful. (Some?) Moderators and (some) posters there have gone off the rails with protectwomen and cancelling anyone who's had a claim against them on twitter.
It seems that forum's owner Lowtax, who's been largely staying away from the forums, is accused of home violence via twitter allegations.
I'm not happy for Lowtax, and I'm not judging if that's true, but lol it seems so delicious that it backfired to the assholes infesting the forum.
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OutrageousFacts
Banned
Ok, what developer is this asshole working for, because it says "game localization" on his tag. I do not want to give money to this guy. Just look at his continued postings (he's been very active in trashing Joe):
www.resetera.com
1.) YOU'RE NOT IN COURT. Fucking thank you. Yes, you are not. Instead you are an irrational, angry hate mob on the internet, trying to ruin someone's life in a she said/he said-case. Fucking thank you, you bad person.
2.) PEOPLE AREN'T STUDIES, nor statistics. On one hand you call out following due legal process as "bad", on the other hand you resort to actual facts when it's convenient? What is wrong in your head? Whether or not Joe did anything won't be answered by a study.
3.) So "no evidence" for you is enough to ruin a man's life over an evidence-less accusation. Why, aren't you a harbinger of justice (big /s)!
Yes, let's not wait - let's believe the accusation because WOMEN.
If I had the money and no crippling depression, I'd sue this guy in Joe's stead. These toxic fascists need to be fought with all our might. It's so frustrating. And *they* see themselves as the good guys here, it's so insane. The real world is overrun by rightwing fascists, but the modern media world is one of leftwing fascists reigning. It's tiring having toi point out that I'm left myself, but I'm not an authoritarian asshole. Being left means making social security better for everyone. It doesn't mean "support women and minorities and LET'S FUCKING MURDER EVERYONE ELSE!!1" ...
Edit: Apparently he's worked on Days Gone and Death Stranding. Well, that's two games off the list. And he's from Europe. Having a big mouth but hiding your exmployer? Not that it's surprising.
Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
It feels unreal that this needs to be explained over and over again, but: 1. We're not in the court. Nobody is bound to follow "a due process" in order to believe the victims. 2. Studies show that the overwhelming majority of sexual assault/harassment accusations are true. 3. Many of these...
www.resetera.com
1.) YOU'RE NOT IN COURT. Fucking thank you. Yes, you are not. Instead you are an irrational, angry hate mob on the internet, trying to ruin someone's life in a she said/he said-case. Fucking thank you, you bad person.
2.) PEOPLE AREN'T STUDIES, nor statistics. On one hand you call out following due legal process as "bad", on the other hand you resort to actual facts when it's convenient? What is wrong in your head? Whether or not Joe did anything won't be answered by a study.
3.) So "no evidence" for you is enough to ruin a man's life over an evidence-less accusation. Why, aren't you a harbinger of justice (big /s)!
Yes, let's not wait - let's believe the accusation because WOMEN.
If I had the money and no crippling depression, I'd sue this guy in Joe's stead. These toxic fascists need to be fought with all our might. It's so frustrating. And *they* see themselves as the good guys here, it's so insane. The real world is overrun by rightwing fascists, but the modern media world is one of leftwing fascists reigning. It's tiring having toi point out that I'm left myself, but I'm not an authoritarian asshole. Being left means making social security better for everyone. It doesn't mean "support women and minorities and LET'S FUCKING MURDER EVERYONE ELSE!!1" ...
Edit: Apparently he's worked on Days Gone and Death Stranding. Well, that's two games off the list. And he's from Europe. Having a big mouth but hiding your exmployer? Not that it's surprising.
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ShadowLag
Member
Ok, what developer is this asshole working for, because it says "game localization" on his tag. I do not want to give money to this guy. Just look at his continued postings (he's been very active in trashing Joe):
Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
It feels unreal that this needs to be explained over and over again, but: 1. We're not in the court. Nobody is bound to follow "a due process" in order to believe the victims. 2. Studies show that the overwhelming majority of sexual assault/harassment accusations are true. 3. Many of these...
1.) YOU'RE NOT IN COURT. Fucking thank you. Yes, you are not. Instead you are an irrational, angry hate mob on the internet, trying to ruin someone's life in a she said/he said-case. Fucking thank you, you bad person.
2.) PEOPLE AREN'T STUDIES, nor statistics. On one hand you call out following due legal process as "bad", on the other hand you resort to actual facts when it's convenient? What is wrong in your head? Whether or not Joe did anything won't be answered by a study.
3.) So "no evidence" for you is enough to ruin a man's life over an evidence-less accusation. Why, aren't you a harbinger of justice (big /s)!
Yes, let's not wait - let's believe the accusation because WOMEN.
If I had the money and no crippling depression, I'd sue this guy in Joe's stead. These toxic fascists need to be fought with all our might. It's so frustrating. And *they* see themselves as the good guys here, it's so insane. The real world is overrun by rightwing fascists, but the modern media world is one of leftwing fascists reigning. It's tiring having toi point out that I'm left myself, but I'm not an authoritarian asshole. Being left means making social security better for everyone. It doesn't mean "support women and minorities and LET'S FUCKING MURDER EVERYONE ELSE!!1" ...
His #2 point is what gets me. It boils down to "because these studies exist, Joe is guilty". What if... he's not guilty? Fuck 'em, just ruin his career anyway because of a statistic! (Which may or may not even be accurate, but let's assume that it is)
Chiggs
Member
Then stop posting there. It’s a shitshow, populated by cowards, bigots and people who can’t handle different perspectives.
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Hypereides
Member
I'm gonna pass on approaching or dating women associated with the gaming scene after this. It unfortunately, seems like a majority of them are nutcases. Colored hair or not, it just ain't worth the risk.
We're reaching a point where something like eye contact can be considered a possible sexual violation some years down the line if they decide it to be.
We're reaching a point where something like eye contact can be considered a possible sexual violation some years down the line if they decide it to be.
INC
Member
OutrageousFacts
Banned
#believewomen
www.resetera.com
... just a "study", Claven, huh?
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Angry Joe accused of sexual harassment/predatory behaviour [Updates from both posted]
I am not an Angry Joe fan in the slightest. With that said, I have been accused of something similar. This was before cellphones were like they are now. I spent time in jail, two weeks, only for them to find out she was lying. My employer had evidence of her actions towards me. I was furious...
www.resetera.com
... just a "study", Claven, huh?
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Mr.ODST
Member
Unfortunately for the ones where it's true and the ones where it is not, this is extremely bad for the streaming/gaming influencer scene, sponsors are going to be really reluctant to work with anyone in the area and conversations have already started due the amount of stuff coming out and their brands are being ties to all of it.