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[cormack12]

Could be, it's going to be revealed when the next title is released, only then will we know how much good will was lost or won.

I think it will only affect TLOU. It won't affect any new games the studio does but this has been two games in a row now (the 'clever' switch of the prison escape in UC4 never happening, now the hamfisted treatment of several strands of story in TLOU II), where the quality has been, basically lazy and unearned. I uess you'll see it on the lifetime sales of TLOU II in a few years. There isn't a lot of converts coming into the ecosystem this time round and we'll see if anyone double dips because the game is 'unmissable' or whether the hangover continues.

Again, you can't be completely sure of that, blacking out the names is the right thing to do regardless of his intentions. In fact, it would be far worse to leave them in. If the had, then we could really talk about him acting inappropriate.

Why? Why not hold people accountable? Why protect them? You can't be sure that's he's not blacked them out for attention either. Also he left the images so......they still an be traced, so which is it? All we do is read the situation as we see it. And we disagree. I'm fine with that.

 

[Scotty W]

False flag attacks, left wing bots, and 4 or 5 alt-righters.

 

[sevoro]

Why? Why not hold people accountable? Why protect them? You can't be sure that's he's not blacked them out for attention either. Also he left the images so......they still an be traced, so which is it? All we do is read the situation as we see it. And we disagree. I'm fine with that.

You can play assumptions all you want at the end of the day I have to ask, what is your proof? And I mean empirical proof, not inferred proof.

False flag attacks, left wing bots, and 4 or 5 alt-righters.

Can jet fuel melt steel beams?

 

[JeloSWE]

I think it will only affect TLOU. It won't affect any new games the studio does but this has been two games in a row now (the 'clever' switch of the prison escape in UC4 never happening, now the hamfisted treatment of several strands of story in TLOU II), where the quality has been, basically lazy and unearned. I uess you'll see it on the lifetime sales of TLOU II in a few years. There isn't a lot of converts coming into the ecosystem this time round and we'll see if anyone double dips because the game is 'unmissable' or whether the hangover continues.

We'll see indeed, the game is incredibly divisive, I have never seen anything like it. But I'm one of those that really liked the game and writing, a lot, so he's got one fan at least

Why? Why not hold people accountable? Why protect them? You can't be sure that's he's not blacked them out for attention either. Also he left the images so......they still an be traced, so which is it? All we do is read the situation as we see it. And we disagree. I'm fine with that.

I guess you could search for the actual messages and find them but it would require more effort and most people are probably too lazy for that. As for his intentions we can agree to disagree.

 

[Matsuchezz]

The issue is that asshole people are breeding asshole children. Hence lots of assholes are running rampant everywhere in every country. This has nothing to do with games this phenomena is in everything now. And twitter is just the perfect media to be a huge asshole.


if a game affects someone that much something is very wrong.

 

[cormack12]

You can play assumptions all you want at the end of the day I have to ask, what is your proof? And I mean empirical proof, not inferred proof.

Yes we can. Now you see the conundrum of trying to be 'right'.

Can jet fuel melt steel beams?

Oh right, you're one of .....those type of people.

 

[nyr88nyg]

And Neil is giving trolls the attention they want. What an idiot. The same type of trolls are attacking AngryJoe.

 

[Rikoi]

Any random LoL player probably received more death threats in 2 hours of playing

OMG. Did he just shared spoilers of his own game???

Underrated post

 

[sevoro]

Oh right, you're one of .....those type of people.

Unless you tell me what "those people" means I'll have no idea what you're saying. I just need hard evidence before I ever side on anything, most of the time I just sit waiting for things to play out so I can see the results for myself instead of immediately judging. Is that what you mean by those people?

Also my attempt at humour may not be to your liking it seems.

Any random LoL player probably received more death threats in 2 hours of playing

I'll have you know I only receive 2 death threats per month.

 

[cormack12]

Unless you tell me what "those people" means I'll have no idea what you're saying. I just need hard evidence before I ever side on anything, most of the time I just sit waiting for things to play out so I can see the results for myself instead of immediately judging. Is that what you mean by those people?

I'll have you know I only receive 2 death threats per month.

I think you think I'm directly attacking Neil, which I'm not. It just so happens he is the subject of the topic. It's the same for JK Rowling and any other person on twitter that fishes for empathy. I'm very cynical by nature. You go on twitter you know the rules and the people on there. You can't play the game then cry when the rules aren't to your liking. Split your accounts, personal and private. Ask does the world need to be blessed with the 'wisdom' you want to bestow on them. You can't have the likes and hearts without the other side of the coin. It's the way it is. And people flaunt it as the 'cost' for their profound statements that should echo across the realm. Whether they be shitty views or virtuous views.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Abhorrent comments

I don’t care what your views on the game are, those kinds of comments are not ok

Agreed. I don't care what you think about TLOU2 and Druckmann, these kind of comments are not okay. They're not okay in any scenario. Especially ones revolving around entertainment. So he "messed up" a beloved franchise that people were clearly passionate about. That doesn't mean he deserves this knee jerk reaction whatsoever. It doesn't justify any of this.

TLOU/2 is entertainment, Druckmann is a real person. Am I standing up for him? No, honestly I really don't care about his beliefs, opinions, etc. But I DO know that he's a human being, and this kind of reaction is awful.

That being said, I really wish people would stop sharing these things with the public. Twitter is a goddamn cesspool. Everyone knows that these assholes exist. It's unfortunate that they do, but bringing light to this kind of nonsense isn't just going to just make it suddenly stop. A lot of those people are just going to get a rise out of the attention they receive. Just block them and move on.

These people exist in all forms of fandom. But man, I wish disgusting toxic folks would just GTFO of gaming.

 

[LaughingStock]

And Neil is giving trolls the attention they want. What an idiot. The same type of trolls are attacking AngryJoe.

So he can claim victimhood and feel justified into craming more woke garbage in his next game. He must be thinking he's a martyr right now. Savior of all women and lgbt people.

 

[sevoro]

I think you think I'm directly attacking Neil, which I'm not. It just so happens he is the subject of the topic. It's the same for JK Rowling and any other person on twitter that fishes for empathy. I'm very cynical by nature. You go on twitter you know the rules and the people on there. You can't play the game then cry when the rules aren't to your liking. Split your accounts, personal and private. Ask does the world need to be blessed with the 'wisdom' you want to bestow on them. You can't have the likes and hearts without the other side of the coin. It's the way it is. And people flaunt it as the 'cost' for their profound statements that should echo across the realm. Whether they be shitty views or virtuous views.

I actually didn't think that at all, I was legit just curious as how you came to your conclusion. Personally I don't care about Neil I can't be empathetic towards people I have no connection to, I also think death threats shouldn't be tolerated no matter the situation. My Jet fuel comment was made in relation to the "false flag" portion of the poster's post as 9/11 conspiracy theories and false flag policies go hand in hand. Sorry that you somehow thought I thought you were attacking him, as I genuinely have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

If there's one thing I can state I find true though, personally. I think all people believe what they want to believe, whether that is right or wrong is not for me to say.

 

[GreenAlien]

Why? Why not hold people accountable? Why protect them?

Holding people accountable is what we have courts and the police for, not the outrage mob.

 

[Shinobitron]

Holding people accountable is what we have courts and the police for, not the outrage mob.

Fucking right, i'm sick of people using social media to accuse people of wrongdoing.

 

[cormack12]

Holding people accountable is what we have courts and the police for, not the outrage mob.

Exactly. So no need for the resharing, retweeting and screencaps except for attention right?

 

[The Alien]

He plays martyr while creating a toxic environment....then cries victim.

 

[LaughingStock]

What a piece of shit.

 

[tsumake]

What a piece of shit.

So, he wades into the controversial then towels himself off with something mundane and safe like “burritos.”

He’s a showman.

 

[Johnny Silver]

So, he wades into the controversial then towels himself off with something mundane and safe like “burritos.”

He’s a showman.

Yeeeep.

He's false. It's all for showing off and drawing attention to himself.

 

[supernova8]

Anyone with even a small amount of fame will get this shit on a daily basis. He's trying to get sympathy. Nobody cares.
He made his bed once he started actually reacting to people attacking him. It's Twitter. It will never change.

Not condoning that sort of stuff of course, but it's not exactly a massive surprise.

 

[John Mullins]

Did he report death threats to police? Or at least Twitter who could easily take action?

Too busy playing martyr I suspect.

Another thing I suspect is Naughty Dog under his leadership will now go rapidly from hero to zero just like that. TLOU is now killed off and Uncharted flogged to within an inch of its death, surely there wont be another one of those. What now?

 

[LaughingStock]

So, he wades into the controversial then towels himself off with something mundane and safe like “burritos.”

He’s a showman.

He is baiting haters with that quote. He wants to be attacked so he can play martyr.

 

[tsumake]

Yeeeep.

He's false. It's all for showing off and drawing attention to himself.

From an amoral standpoint, he’s pretty good.

 

[Kiwicha]

What a piece of shit.

Ohhhhh hell yeah! He said the thing that the guy said in the game, he wrote that! And he used it in real life, like Cameron with the king of the world thing.
How do they do it...

 

[Puskas]

The usual theme; Do or say something controversial, receive hateful messages, cry foul, get your dose of dopamine kick from other virtue signallers support and repeat.

Oy vey!

 

[Azurro]

Oh man, Druckmann is such a manipulative bastard, excelent victim performance. Gotta love the guy, he was so, so down, I totally bought his pain and suffering. He was totally not using those messages to paint the minority of the minority of the people that disliked the game as racist homophobes.

 

[Alebrije]

Ohhhhh hell yeah! He said the thing that the guy said in the game, he wrote that! And he used it in real life, like Cameron with the king of the world thing.
How do they do it...

Ohhhhh hell yeah! He said the thing that the guy said in the game, he wrote that! And he used it in real life, like Cameron with the king of the world thing.
How do they do it...

This guy knew the storm that will come..and waited for the time to use that monologe. Pure drama. Videogames serious business award.

 

[Dontero]

Reminder: 99% in world out there is HIGHLY conservative. By American wokish standard they are worse than nazis. Stuff like trans rights, lbgt etc. are only barely accepted in US and few European nations and completely not accepted in rest of the world.

So it only makes sense that you will get "criticism" from people who don't share views. And with Worldwide releases you can be sure that amount of people will be huge. Even bigger if some game is highly anticipated.

 

[SentientStone]

Why can't these people just do yoga and meditate?
That would solve all of world's problems. Why must they let their ego take over their monkey brains?
Won't somebody please think of the children?

 

[pesaddict]

A certain Borat song comes to mind lol

 

[sid2vicious]

Either Cuckman hates criticism and can't handle it and doing a shit job at winning people over

or

Cuckman loves criticism and are doing a good job baiting it for exposure

 

[FatalT1]

This is beyond hating the GAME. There are literal death threats and wishing death upon 2 year old children. (Laura Baileys kid)

This will all be forgotten about when the next big console game comes out. Video gamers are a retarded bunch witih no attention span.

 

[Shinobitron]

This will all be forgotten about when the next big console game comes out. Video gamers are a retarded bunch witih no attention span.

Why should it be remembered? they said their piece as messed as it was, Druckmann got the attention he wanted, everyone won, end of story let's move on. The gaming industry is not going in a healthy direction journalistic wise.

 

[FatalT1]

Why should it be remembered? they said their piece as messed as it was, Druckmann got the attention he wanted, everyone won, end of story let's move on. The gaming industry is not going in a healthy direction journalistic wise.

Giant Bomb all over again. Video game journalism is dead and full of fluff pieces masquerading as PR.

 

[LaughingStock]

Either Cuckman hates criticism and can't handle it and doing a shit job at winning people over

or

Cuckman loves criticism and are doing a good job baiting it for exposure

whynotboth.jpg

 

[sol_bad]

Those comments are disgusting and people on this forum equally disgusting. I have the highest regard for Druckman after finishing his masterpiece of a game.

Why can't people just critique the game instead of attacking the creator. So someone hates the story, so what. Keep living your life. You'd have to live a pathetic life to get so worked up over it. Majority of haters probably didn't even play the game or watch a Let's Play.

 

[Shinobitron]

Those comments are disgusting and people on this forum equally disgusting. I have the highest regard for Druckman after finishing his masterpiece of a game.

Why can't people just critique the game instead of attacking the creator. So someone hates the story, so what. Keep living your life. You'd have to live a pathetic life to get so worked up over it. Majority of haters probably didn't even play the game or watch a Let's Play.

So you equate to people on this forum with different opinions as disgusting? You're immature that's my opinion of you. You seem to take things at face value without any research done, you jump to conclusions rather then explore all options. You're on a site where people get to express themselves yet you just throw shade at people you disagree with. You're the problem.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

People like them should not play games with mature tone and probably stick to Nintendo games. If a work of fiction can cause you to do vile shit like this maybe just stay away for your own sanity. Vote with your wallet and do not buy the game. People had a unique opportunity with this game having a huge leak, you knew what you were getting. This just seems like extra whining for absolutely no reason. They made the first game, they can do WHATEVER THE FUCK they want with the story. It’s their right as a creator. I don’t see a game like last of us getting made at the Nintendo or Xbox camp. I applaud naughty dog for tackling shit like this. Game was fucking awesome!

 

[Yoboman]

HE KILLED MY DAD

 

[sevoro]

Can someone explain to me how 'death threats' = valid criticism?

 

[Azurro]

Those comments are disgusting and people on this forum equally disgusting. I have the highest regard for Druckman after finishing his masterpiece of a game.

Why can't people just critique the game instead of attacking the creator. So someone hates the story, so what. Keep living your life. You'd have to live a pathetic life to get so worked up over it. Majority of haters probably didn't even play the game or watch a Let's Play.

And here we see Druckmann's manipulative posts take effect, equating those disadjusted people sending death threats to people that don't like the game. Now somehow incredibly valid criticisms of the game such as its terrible story, pushing of sjw narrative over a compelling story and lack of compelling characters somehow become mysoginist and sexist and other ists.

If you find the people here in Neogaf disgusting for not liking your sjw "master piece", well then, why not request a permaban and leave?

 

[Woggleman]

It is 100% possible to express dislike for the game without death threats or bigotry.

 

[GlassAwful]

I hate all the extremists, conservatives and liberals, and the people that have done this are exactly that. This is just another flavor of SJW.

People who make threats like this and anonymously attack others are not only cowards but subhuman excrement that would be better off taking a feet first leap into a wood chipper than continuing to spread their bullshit and dragging the rest of society down.

In the old days people like this would be rightly labotomized.

 

[Mod of War]

Stop posting spoilers outside of the spoiler threads. They have no business being in here. The comments that I deleted, some of you got off light. Thank you.

 

[sol_bad]

So you equate to people on this forum with different opinions as disgusting? You're immature that's my opinion of you. You seem to take things at face value without any research done, you jump to conclusions rather then explore all options. You're on a site where people get to express themselves yet you just throw shade at people you disagree with. You're the problem.

No.
People saying all that shit to Druckmann and people on this forum saying that he deserves it are disgusting and immature.
I don't attack people, I don't throw insults and degrade people based on their beliefs or backgrounds. Sure, I've thrown out generic insults like "fucking idiot" but it's very few and far between. I'm pretty sure Schroidingers Cat is one of the only people I've insulted in that manner but it felt like he was trying to degrade me at any turn he could. Did I report him? Of course not because at the end of the day, if a few words on a screen are going to upset me that much from someone I don't know, I need to revalue my life. But at least in this example there is a direct interaction between 2 people.
These people attacking Druckmann never interact with him, they don't know him, they just hate the direction the story went in TLOU2.

People can shit on and critique the game, the product, as much as they want. No need to attack the people behind the game. So yes, I do disagree with people attacking other people. There is no need for it, it won't accomplish anything. We should all work on being nice towards each other.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

And here we see Druckmann's manipulative posts take effect, equating those disadjusted people sending death threats to people that don't like the game. Now somehow incredibly valid criticisms of the game such as its terrible story, pushing of sjw narrative over a compelling story and lack of compelling characters somehow become mysoginist and sexist and other ists.

If you find the people here in Neogaf disgusting for not liking your sjw "master piece", well then, why not request a permaban and leave?

He clearly said it’s ok to not like the game, and is specifically referring to hate posts. Did you even read the tweet man?

 

[lock2k]

No.
People saying all that shit to Druckmann and people on this forum saying that he deserves it are disgusting and immature.
I don't attack people, I don't throw insults and degrade people based on their beliefs or backgrounds. Sure, I've thrown out generic insults like "fucking idiot" but it's very few and far between. I'm pretty sure Schroidingers Cat is one of the only people I've insulted in that manner but it felt like he was trying to degrade me at any turn he could. Did I report him? Of course not because at the end of the day, if a few words on a screen are going to upset me that much from someone I don't know, I need to revalue my life. But at least in this example there is a direct interaction between 2 people.
These people attacking Druckmann never interact with him, they don't know him, they just hate the direction the story went in TLOU2.

People can shit on and critique the game, the product, as much as they want. No need to attack the people behind the game. So yes, I do disagree with people attacking other people. There is no need for it, it won't accomplish anything. We should all work on being nice towards each other.

Like I said in my post, his whole attitude is the kind of attitude that attracts this kind of shit. I do not condone what people are saying, but he does act like that bully in school that pisses off everyone and runs to his mother afterwards crying and saying he was bullied.

He acts like his game is some sort of educational tool and he thinks its function is to educate people. It is just an entertainment product, he is pretentious as fuck and acts like an idiot. That said, I don't agree that people should attack him. But I won't defend him either.

 

[PleaseWaitStation4]

I haven't followed what he's been saying, but did he blame it on "Alt-right, ists or phobes" yet? Signs of paranoid schizophrenia.

 

[Kiwicha]

Those comments are disgusting and people on this forum equally disgusting.

What is going on? I just got here.