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[Xplainin]

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.

There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.

 

[fran.fernandez]

PS4 OG. I buy games every month. Still using the 500 gb base. Never felt the need for upgrading. Right now Last of us 2, GT sport, Astro bot, AC7, dreams, beat saber, super hot. Pretty sure I deleted mk 11 for last of us.

Free space 110gb maybe I’m ok for ghost of Tsushima. If not I delete ac7

So for me not worried about it.

 

[Psykodad]

PS4 OG. I buy games every month. Still using the 500 gb base. Never felt the need of upgrading. Right now Last of us 2, GT sport, Astro bot, AC7, dreams, beat saber, super hot. Pretty sure I deleted mk 11 for last of us.

Free space 110gb maybe I’m ok for ghost of Tsushima. If not I delete ac7

So for me not worried about it.

Same, games I don't play, I just delete. Can do with just 3 or 4 games installed at any time. Won't be playing more than that at once anyway, mostly 2 max.

Not worried about disc-space either.

 

[Admast79]

I guess it won't be cheap for sure. Sony "special" ssd or XSX "memory card" as these will be manufactured by Seagate only.

If I remember correctly, the first official external HDD for XOne from Seagate, was more expensive by 30-40% from normal HDD, only for having Xbox logo on it.

I guess at least for XSX more logical will be to have normal 4-5TB external HDD just to store XSX games on it and then transfering them to main drive when you will want to play them. Not great solution, but still better than downloading them every time (even installation from disc will be longer due to additional patch download time).

Remember guys, even we living in 2020, plenty of people still can dream about having an access to full fibre connection.

 

[Grinchy]

You won't buy a new SSD for it any time soon.

You would buy a big regular drive and then move games between that and the SSD that comes with it. It would be insane to spend $500 on a SSD at launch for a $500 system...

 

[geordiemp]

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.

There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

 

[hybrid_birth]

Blu-ray players were expensive as heck when ps3 came out. Ps3 was the cheapest Blu-ray at the time. I feel that the PS5 will bring down the price of SSD drives over time..

I could be wrong but it's just a guess.

 

[phil_t98]

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

it will be more expensive than the $500 he suggesting it will cost to replace the Sony drive. not a chance

 

[Sony]

A PS5 'certified' SSD will be expensive because of its speed.
A Series X 'certified' is proprietary. If past Microsoft Xbox accessory pricing is any indication, the Series X external SSD's will also be quite expensive.
I'm really surprised with Microsoft's approach by the way. They have very good read/write speeds by todays standars, but nothing unachavieable by third party SDD's a year or two down the line.
They should have kept the SSD expansion generic, not proprietary, especially after all the external storage options they added to Xbox 360 and Xbox One.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

Basically came to say this. Ill be using the SDD i put in my PS4.

 

[Xplainin]

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

Gee, you are taking a leap with this post.
Sony themselves have said that only SSDs that run higher than the 5.5gb of the PS5 will be considered. SSDs of about 7.0gbs will be required. Do you know the price difference between an SSD running at 2.5gbs vs 7.0gbs?
At this point they are over $500 alone.
Its hardly fanboying to think that the M2 drives of 7.0gbs are going to be more expensive than the 2.5gbs XSX ones.

 

[Xplainin]

It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.

Thats what I will be doing I think.
It is just stupid to expect people to pay $500 for memory expansion when the whole console will cost that. Hence my question about wether Sony will also make one that is more price efficient than the others.

 

[Kagey K]

Thats what I will be doing I think.
It is just stupid to expect people to pay $500 for memory expansion when the whole console will cost that. Hence my question about wether Sony will also make one that is more price efficient than the others.

I imagine about 3 or 4 years in they will start hitting a reasonable (yet still high price) as we start seeing more and faster options hit the market.

The first couple years are going to be rough for hardcore gamers though, especially if SSDs start dying and they can’t find a reasonable replacement.

It could be this gens RROD.

 

[CyRuZ]

Have 2tb in my ps4 and constantly deleting stuff. Don't have ultra fast internet to download games and patches instantly so I like to have as many games installed as possible. Maybe I have the urge to play that game again but have to wait 2 hours to play it? Fuck that.
That's why I hope they have at least 2tb from the start and you can easily connect an external and swap the games on the fly. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[Kagey K]

Have 2tb in my ps4 and constantly deleting stuff. Don't have ultra fast internet to download games and patches instantly so I like to have as many games installed as possible. Maybe I have the urge to play that game again but have to wait 2 hours to play it? Fuck that.
That's why I hope they have at least 2tb from the start and you can easily connect an external and swap the games on the fly. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.

The PS5 has under 800 gigs on the ssd. 778 or something, but supposedly you will be able to transfer back and forth from a hdd to ssd as you need.

 

[Tulipanzo]

Long term it's a far better solution than proprietary memory, and the massive expansion of the market come PS5 is going to bring down prices considerably.

I also don't get were you got $500 from, as the Samsung 1TB 970Pro goes for $300.
A thread of price speculation, when we don't have a certified list for either console looks mighty pointless.

 

[Kagey K]

Long term it's a far better solution than proprietary memory, and the massive expansion of the market come PS5 is going to bring down prices considerably.

I also don't get were you got $500 from, as the Samsung 1TB 970Pro goes for $300.
A thread of price speculation, when we don't have a certified list for either console looks mighty pointless.

Based on history we can expect the worst from both consoles, as far as add on pricing goes.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

Where are you getting the prices from? The m.2 ps5 is supposed to support do not cost $500 and is only gonna get cheaper. Also games are gonna get smaller since develoeper don’t have to copy stuff in multiple locations. I think you will be good with the base model for at least a year or two.

 

[Kagey K]

Where are you getting the prices from? The m.2 ps5 is supposed to support do not cost $500 and is only gonna get cheaper. Also games are gonna get smaller since develoeper don’t have to copy stuff in multiple locations. I think you will be good with the base model for at least a year or two.

Lmfao. I bet that you will be able to exceed your internal hard drive space on Day 1 releases alone.

 

[bitbydeath]

You should be able to fit 7-8 100GB games on it before needing to worry about space. How many do you often play at once?

 

[fybyfyby]

Possibly every PCI express 4.0 SSD with good I/O and speeds will do. So I think it will be cheaper than on XSX. Manufacturers can compete and it will be normal PC compatible drive drive. For launch it will be expensive, because Sony expects, that only first few types will be available during holiday 2020. But its good move for the future. Beacuse when you will need more space after 2-3 years of lifespan of PS5, drives will be cheaper. I also hope, that PS4 things can be installed on external drive (with full utilization of interface) and leave internal SSD for PS5 games.

 

[Sony]

Basically came to say this. Ill be using the SDD i put in my PS4.

I highly doubt the SSD you put in your PS4 will work on a PS5. Only SSD's whos read/write speeds are equal to PS5's internal SSD speeds are compatible. As mentionned multiple times in this thead, those SSD's are upward of $500 at this point.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

Lmfao. I bet that you will be able to exceed your internal hard drive space on Day 1 releases alone.

I mean if you’re gonna buy every game that releases on it then sure lol

 

[Tulipanzo]

Based on history we can expect the worst from both consoles, as far as add on pricing goes.

Well, we can't expect the worst from Sony, because Sony won't be making them. The increased demand for high-speed NVME SSDs in next-gen PS5/PCs should drive costs down (same as what happened with HDDs).

MS is going with a proprietary solution, which historically are pricier due to lower demand.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

Well, we can't expect the worst from Sony, because Sony won't be making them. The increased demand for high-speed NVME SSDs in next-gen PS5/PCs should drive costs down (same as what happened with HDDs).

MS is going with a proprietary solution, which historically are pricier due to lower demand.

How dare they provide options?!?

 

[Tulipanzo]

How dare they provide options?!?

Exactly, Sony's approach here is quite clearly the better one.
The one issue being their drives are too good right now, which I think it's a good problem to have.

 

[bhunachicken]

Same, games I don't play, I just delete. Can do with just 3 or 4 games installed at any time. Won't be playing more than that at once anyway, mostly 2 max.

+1 to this.

825GB is plenty for me. Even if the games weigh in at 100GB each (which is actually doubtful), that's still 7-8 games installed on the system at any one time. Well, I only play one game at a time. I begin deleting when I need the space. Still got my 500GB original PS4 and never got annoyed that I can't fit yet another game onto the system.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

Exactly, Sony's approach here is quite clearly the better one.
The one issue being their drives are too good right now, which I think it's a good problem to have.

i will gladly pay the premium for a Sony product lol. Never been let down.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.

There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.

This is worrying about a problem that doesn't even exist yet. You don't even know how big the games are going to be, to worry about even needing extra space. Extra space is nice to have, but if you can afford a launch console, and you can afford enough games to fill up its drive, then you should be able to easily afford a USB drive that you can swap games to. Hell, even I have a 1TB spare 870 Evo I threw into an enclosure, because I now have a 1TB 970 Evo Plus, and a 2TB 870 Evo in my laptop. And I'm not exactly balling.

Expanding storage in a launch console, that uses currently exotic storage, is a big baller move. Makes no sense trying to make big baller moves if you're a small baller. Something about your post just doesn't seem genuine.

 

[Kagey K]

Well, we can't expect the worst from Sony, because Sony won't be making them. The increased demand for high-speed NVME SSDs in next-gen PS5/PCs should drive costs down (same as what happened with HDDs).

MS is going with a proprietary solution, which historically are pricier due to lower demand.

So what non Sony solution do I have if I want to put a bigger drive in my PS5 on launch day?

 

[Kagey K]

I mean if you’re gonna buy every game that releases on it then sure lol

What’s the point on buying a console if it doesn’t have games you want to play?

I would hope on Day one I could fill my entire hard drive with games I want to play.

Tells me the console was worth it.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

So what non Sony solution do I have if I want to put a bigger drive in my PS5 on launch day?

They literally said wait till they provide official specs and list of compatible drive(Cernys presentation). You are worrying about a problem that doesn’t even exist lol .we don’t even have a release date. And also let’s stop pretending like spiderman is gonna be 200GB lol . 825 should be plenty for this year no? How many games were you planning on buying?

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

What’s the point on buying a console if it doesn’t have games you want to play?

I would hope on Day one I could fill my entire hard drive with games I want to play.

Tells me the console was worth it.

No console at launch is gonna do that bro. Is this your first console launch? This is naive thinking lol the way you tell a console was worth is by looking at it couple years down the road. Like I can say my PS4 was worth it, switch was worth it but launch was barren wasteland

 

[MastaKiiLA]

What’s the point on buying a console if it doesn’t have games you want to play?

I would hope on Day one I could fill my entire hard drive with games I want to play.

Tells me the console was worth it.

With that much money and that much free time on your hands, you shouldn't balk at the cost of the super-fast NVME drives that will be needed. You can always use the drive in your PC, if you no longer want the PS5. It's like buying a Ferrari, splurging on the sports package, and then complaining about the cost of the tires. If extra storage is a prerequisite for buying the console, but you can't afford the extra storage costs, then you probably shouldn't buy the console. Be smart about how you spend your money, maybe?

 

[Kagey K]

They literally said wait till they provide official specs and list of compatible drive(Cernys presentation). You are worrying about a problem that doesn’t even exist lol .we don’t even have a release date. And also let’s stop pretending like spiderman is gonna be 200GB lol . 825 should be plenty for this year no? How many games were you planning on buying?

depends on how many games looked good.

I never even made an estimate on how big games may or may not be next gen. (Not sure where you pulled that from)

I have 10 TB hooked up to my system right now and have 1.1 TB free. I buy lots and play lots. I am constantly shifting from game to game depending on my mood.

So for some 778 gigs may seem like a lot, but for me that could be a Sat afternoon. I get I’m atypical that way, and just trying to figure out where I fit as a gamer in the next gen.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

depends on how many games looked good.

I never even made an estimate on how big games may or may not be next gen. (Not sure where you pulled that from)

I have 10 TB hooked up to my system right now and have 1.1 TB free. I buy lots and play lots. I am constantly shifting from game to game depending on my mood.

So for some 778 gigs may seem like a lot, but for me that could be a Sat afternoon. I get I’m atypical that way, and just trying to figure out where I fit as a gamer in the next gen.

Just think about the games my guy stop worrying about storage. I’m 100% certain you will have you answer before launch. Sony’s approach to storage has been cheaper for generations (vita excluded lol)

 

[Exede]

I read this as exploitable SSD at first.

 

[Tulipanzo]

So what non Sony solution do I have if I want to put a bigger drive in my PS5 on launch day?

At this point the bet is for the Samsung 980Pro, but more drives will saturate PCiE 4.0 come end of the year.
We haven't even seen the back ports of the console yet, so everything is speculative, but it is the right long-term solution.

I mean, spending $150 for an import 64GB Vita memory card sucked ass, proprietary memory can get in the bin.

 

[Kagey K]

With that much money and that much free time on your hands, you shouldn't balk at the cost of the super-fast NVME drives that will be needed. You can always use the drive in your PC, if you no longer want the PS5. It's like buying a Ferrari, splurging on the sports package, and then complaining about the cost of the tires. If extra storage is a prerequisite for buying the console, but you can't afford the extra storage costs, then you probably shouldn't buy the console. Be smart about how you spend your money, maybe?

I’d rather spend my money where I get the most enjoyment. I don’t mind buying the addons if they become maintenance free, but would prefer to spend my money on the fun instead.

Just because you have money and dont mind spending it, doesn’t mean you like wasting it.

There is a difference.

 

[Tulipanzo]

i will gladly pay the premium for a Sony product lol. Never been let down.

No, like, they don't make NVME SSDs in general. Best bet is a Sony branded one.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

No, like, they don't make NVME SSDs in general. Best bet is a Sony branded one.

I was taking about the console in general lol
It seems more premium than ps4 at launch. Like I’m happy to pay the premium for a better ssd is what I meant

 

[Tulipanzo]

depends on how many games looked good.

I never even made an estimate on how big games may or may not be next gen. (Not sure where you pulled that from)

I have 10 TB hooked up to my system right now and have 1.1 TB free. I buy lots and play lots. I am constantly shifting from game to game depending on my mood.

So for some 778 gigs may seem like a lot, but for me that could be a Sat afternoon. I get I’m atypical that way, and just trying to figure out where I fit as a gamer in the next gen.

What you oughta be doing is getting a big external SSD with a fast USB-C to USB-C transfer connection, unless you want to fiddle behind your console on either platform.
EDIT: or USB-A on SeX

 

[Leyasu]

XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.

Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices

Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !

We should not forget just how special the SSD is in the PS5. It is all that has been talked about since the reveal.

This revolutionary piece of pure magic is going to transform game development and assure that high res textures and assets are exclusive to the PS5. This is what everyone has been claiming also.

Awesomeness of this calibre doesn't come cheap. Expecting a higher price is a given if the SSD is going to do everything that everyone is stating. Not concern trolling, just aligning expectations with claims.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

We should not forget just how special the SSD is in the PS5. It is all that has been talked about since the reveal.

This revolutionary piece of pure magic is going to transform game development and assure that high res textures and assets are exclusive to the PS5. This is what everyone has been claiming also.

Awesomeness of this calibre doesn't come cheap. Expecting a higher price is a given if the SSD is going to do everything that everyone is claiming. Not concern trolling, just an aligning expectations with claims.

I think mark Cerny did touch up on that. They will implement and option to transfer active games between ssds. I have two nvme on my pc and transferring 4K movies takes seconds. So you might be able to get away with slightly lower speed ssd for expansion. Since the system will just transfer over the game you wanna play to the primary ssd.it could potentially work with external hdd drive:

 

[Xplainin]

Long term it's a far better solution than proprietary memory, and the massive expansion of the market come PS5 is going to bring down prices considerably.

I also don't get were you got $500 from, as the Samsung 1TB 970Pro goes for $300.
A thread of price speculation, when we don't have a certified list for either console looks mighty pointless.

That is only a 3.5gbs read speed.

 

[Tulipanzo]

That is only a 3.5gbs read speed.

Yeah, but why would the price jump to $500 in your prediction? Prices went doen between 960 and 970 generation despite improvements, which again shows a mass market solution works better than a proprietary one.

The one advantage SeX has is that its SSD is worse than PS5's, but I could buy a 950 Pro drive today that'll likely work on MS's system.

 

[KaKaRi]

You should be able to fit 7-8 100GB games on it before needing to worry about space. How many do you often play at once?

nah.. you forget the PS5 SSD will be only 825GB + dont forget the OS + save files taking up some space as well.
At best, maybe 4-5 games if they follow the 100gb logic.

 

[Psykodad]

What’s the point on buying a console if it doesn’t have games you want to play?

I would hope on Day one I could fill my entire hard drive with games I want to play.

Tells me the console was worth it.

How many games do you actually need installed on your SDD at all times?
I doubt anyone plays 10+ different games all the time.

 

[igivehugs2nakedwomen]

What's the point of discussing prices of NVMe M2. PCIe 4.0 SSD with read speeds above 5.5GB/s if you aren't even going to try to source prices for upcoming SSD's that meet or exceed those specs? https://www.anandtech.com/show/15352/ces-2020-samsung-980-pro-pcie-40-ssd-makes-an-appearance

A 1TB EVO 970 is 100 to 180 dollars at the moment so why in the world would you expect the next gen SSD to be 3 to 4 times as much?