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[SlimySnake]

I am struggling to understand why Microsoft is in the console business. This kind of talk shows a complete misunderstanding of console gaming and generations. We are in the 8th generation. Console gamers know that to get better games you need to buy into the new generation. I was born after the first atari game, I have literally been conditioned to accept that one day my console will be useless. It's all I have known. How does Phil not know this?

It seems they want to be a third party publisher. They want their games available everywhere then release on Sony and Nintendo consoles, why dont you? Why stop at support for Xbox one. Let's mandate every exclusive runs on the Switch. Switch will end this gen as the best selling console. Surely it would be pro-consumer to support it for the rest of eternity. 0.19 tflops baseline for all first party MS games, let's do this.

Everything he has said here is misguided. PC gaming IS held back by bad hardware. Xbox One was a bad hardware and it has held back every single PC game since. And Xbox One WILL hold back Xbox Series X games that could've been built around a console with almost 10x more tflops, 8x more CPU power and 40x more SSD speeds.

No one is this clueless. I think he's just fucking with us, and is preparing to unleash half a dozen games that look like Hellblade 2 on July 23rd.

 

[Fart Knight]

One year Xbox One support? lol

 

[bender]

Usually, people who talks too much doesn’t end up well

Either MS is VERY confident with their upcoming releases, or they’re just barking for the sake of it

The amount of mentioning your competitor by name reeks of insecurity. It's a bad look and it's not like Microsoft doesn't have exciting things to hype up. They've created great hardware of late, have exciting services and potential to have interesting exclusives again thanks to accusations.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

He never mentioned ps5. Click bait article is click bait. But hey, it’s Phil, so let’s dog pile him.

Edit: Also, because even the guy writing the article doesn’t get it so I’ll say it again... nobody is forcing developers to make the games work on the old Xbox. MS are saying that for a short time their first party titles will, so that the older user base isn’t forgotten. Third party developers can make games for either both, just the One, or just the X/S.

 

[Ascend]

I am struggling to understand why Microsoft is in the console business. This kind of talk shows a complete misunderstanding of console gaming and generations. We are in the 8th generation. Console gamers know that to get better games you need to buy into the new generation. I was born after the first atari game, I have literally been conditioned to accept that one day my console will be useless. It's all I have known. How does Phil not know this?

It seems they want to be a third party publisher. They want their games available everywhere then release on Sony and Nintendo consoles, why dont you? Why stop at support for Xbox one. Let's mandate every exclusive runs on the Switch. Switch will end this gen as the best selling console. Surely it would be pro-consumer to support it for the rest of eternity. 0.19 tflops baseline for all first party MS games, let's do this.

Everything he has said here is misguided. PC gaming IS held back by bad hardware. Xbox One was a bad hardware and it has held back every single PC game since.

Oh really? How exactly was the Xbox One hardware bad? Because strength wise it is still more powerful than a Switch.

 

[Texas Pride]

Paid online is counter to what gaming is about but they started it on console and still do it. Guy likes to hear himself talk but words only go so far. He's yet to learn that.

 

[Portugeezer]

Jaguar CPU already limited games this gen.

In 2021?

 

[Nikana]

I am struggling to understand why Microsoft is in the console business. This kind of talk shows a complete misunderstanding of console gaming and generations. We are in the 8th generation. Console gamers know that to get better games you need to buy into the new generation. I was born after the first atari game, I have literally been conditioned to accept that one day my console will be useless. It's all I have known. How does Phil not know this?

It seems they want to be a third party publisher. They want their games available everywhere then release on Sony and Nintendo consoles, why dont you? Why stop at support for Xbox one. Let's mandate every exclusive runs on the Switch. Switch will end this gen as the best selling console. Surely it would be pro-consumer to support it for the rest of eternity. 0.19 tflops baseline for all first party MS games, let's do this.

Everything he has said here is misguided. PC gaming IS held back by bad hardware. Xbox One was a bad hardware and it has held back every single PC game since.

The landscape has changed in the tech world. It's pretty simple what Phil is going for with Xbox but it's different and people who have been gaming for years and years just cant seem to wrap their head around it.

Ecosystems are taking over and you have to make that eco system as large as possible without giving up control. That's why they are in the hardware business. There's a reason they make their own windows devices when third parties could do it as well.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

Yah I hate this guy he's being completely logical.

 

[Paulxo87]

As much as phil and the rest of xbox want to make everyone believe that they do not care about unit sales and are not competing with Sony it will never work. It's obvious they care about it a very big deal. The strategy of xbox now is if you can't win the game, redefine the rules. They are now making the argument that the traditional console generation leap is the past and the new current model they are adopting is now socially correct. It's all very desperate and quite frankly.. - transparently so

 

[Ascend]

He never mentioned ps5. Click bait article is click bait. But hey, it’s Phil, so let’s dog pile him.

Exactly. He never mentioned the PS5. He is saying that he does not support releasing games on the Xbox Series X that are unavailable on the Xbox One on the first day, in order to force people to buy the Series X. And obviously he means first party, because, 3rd party can release only on the XSX if they so wish.

People here really have reading comprehension problems... Have you people ever seen letters or words before...? How do you know how to use a keyboard?

 

[SlimySnake]

Oh really? How exactly was the Xbox One hardware bad? Because strength wise it is still more powerful than a Switch.

are you serious? it was $100 or 25% more expensive AND had 40% fewer tflops AND 70% less ram bandwidth. i thought it was pretty much accepted that Xbox was an underpowered console seeing as how the PS4 also shipped with an underpowered GPU.

 

[Kokoloko85]

What does he know?
Ill leave gaming to Nintendo and Playstation thank you Phil. Ill leave you to your mixed messages.

Imagine this guy and Ms were leading the video games scene?.....

Xbox is like the Mancester City of Video games spend money money money to buy talent and Studios because clearly you dont have the talent compared to Nintendo or Playstation.

 

[Nikana]

Exactly. He never mentioned the PS5. He is saying that he does not support releasing games on the Xbox Series X that are unavailable on the Xbox One on the first day, in order to force people to buy the Series X. And obviously he means first party, because, 3rd party can release only on the XSX if they so wish.

No one is gonna actually read it sadly and you are right. He never calls out ps5 in any capacity.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Still waiting to see something that truly looks next gen. Hellblade 2 and Flight Sim are the only 2 games that I have seen so far that look like they cant be done on current gen.

Phil Spencer is right once again!

One of those we won't know what it looks like during gameplay until 7/23

 

[TGO]

"We don't have exclusives because they're bad..."
Well Xbox is off to a good start

 

[-Arcadia-]

Spencer continues to be the #1 supplier of Gaf bait threads, lol.

I agree with both their approaches. I see what Microsoft is going for, and I see what Sony is going for. I look forward to seeing the types of products that brings about, and as someone buying both, I'm not terribly bothered by it.

 

[mejin]

 

[Ascend]

are you serious? it was $100 or 25% more expensive AND had 40% fewer tflops AND 70% less ram bandwidth. i thought it was pretty much accepted that Xbox was an underpowered console seeing as how the PS4 also shipped with an underpowered GPU.

That does not somehow mean that the hardware was bad. It was too expensive because you were forced to buy a Kinect with the console. That's a wrong business decision and wrong pricing. Not 'bad hardware'. Yes, it was weaker than the PS4. But I never heard anyone say the Switch had bad hardware because it is weaker than both the Xbox One or the PS4.

 

[Dr Bass]

The landscape has changed in the tech world. It's pretty simple what Phil is going for with Xbox but it's different and people who have been gaming for years and years just cant seem to wrap their head around it.

Ecosystems are taking over and you have to make that eco system as large as possible without giving up control. That's why they are in the hardware business. There's a reason they make their own windows devices when third parties could do it as well.

It is simple, and people who have been gaming for years can absolutely wrap their head around it. It's just not smart and it won't provide for the best experience. Why would anyone who wants to buy a Series X, myself included, want their best and most unique games (i.e. first party) to be held back by a nearly decade old platform? Can't it also be "anti-consumer" to not make the best product you can while charging top industry prices for those products?

Phil can argue whatever he wants. All he has to say is "we want our software to be available on Xbox One systems and Xbox Series systems." That's it. As soon as he turns it into some moral stance about what gaming is "about" he loses the plot completely and just looks ridiculous.

 

[Drunkensamurai]

He would not be saying this if Xbox exclusives were selling 4 million copies in 3 days.

 

[REE Machine]

As a player you are the centre of our strategy.

Really......then why the fuck haven't you made any great games this generation..?

 

[Vawn]

Us gamers want our anti consumer products.
How dare Phil say otherwise..

I guess it's your perspective. I personally find buying a $500 machine and chaining it to 10 year-old technology anti-consumer. I guess they are just targeting different consumers.

 

[Rikkori]

I do wonder if they packed the consoles with so much CPU power this time because they hope that with the next-next-gen (PS6 etc) they want to keep both markets alive instead of just abandoning one. If jaguar wasn't so shit I'm sure they would've tried to this time.

Regardless: FUCK exclusives.

 

[REE Machine]

Could this be the first time one of the platform holders has a (potentially) more powerful system and is choosing not to take full advantage of that power from day one with first party titles?

Seems like a really bad move that could backfire. They keep banging on about how it's the most powerful console but then put out last-gen hamstrung content? I see this going down like a lead balloon.

Yep, its like owning a Ferrari and only being able to go 60 instead of 120.

 

[Nikana]

It is simple, and people who have been gaming for years can absolutely wrap their head around it. It's just not smart and it won't provide for the best experience. Why would anyone who wants to buy a Series X, myself included, want their best and most unique games (i.e. first party) to be held back by a nearly decade old platform? Can't it also be "anti-consumer" to not make the best product you can while charging top industry prices for those products?

Phil can argue whatever he wants. All he has to say is "we want our software to be available on Xbox One systems and Xbox Series systems." That's it. As soon as he turns it into some moral stance about what gaming is "about" he loses the plot completely and just looks ridiculous.

Asking why you want a series X is such a baseline and dumb question imo. They have very clearly tried to offer the best place to play third party games, which are a majority of the sales on a machine.

Saying it's not smart is way too pre mature. We have no way to know if it'll work or not yet. But they are tackling the strategy pretty smart so far with a Lockhart sku and series X SKU and and game pass combo.

it's also been discussed many times that this whole holding back a narrative doesn't hold a lot of weight. Developers have spoken out that they don't expect it to hold back games and the notion is a bit silly as games are not designed in a linearity fashion that is dictated by hardware.

 

[Handy Fake]

Huh.

Well that's quite a statement.

 

[SlimySnake]

That does not somehow mean that the hardware was bad. It was too expensive because you were forced to buy a Kinect with the console. That's a wrong business decision and wrong pricing. Not 'bad hardware'. Yes, it was weaker than the PS4. But I never heard anyone say the Switch had bad hardware because it is weaker than both the Xbox One or the PS4.

Switch is a handheld. That's different.

As a console, it's BAD.

The landscape has changed in the tech world. It's pretty simple what Phil is going for with Xbox but it's different and people who have been gaming for years and years just cant seem to wrap their head around it.

Ecosystems are taking over and you have to make that eco system as large as possible without giving up control. That's why they are in the hardware business. There's a reason they make their own windows devices when third parties could do it as well.

Landscape is changing? How? Console gaming has never been stronger. Exclusives have never sold better. TLOU2 just sold more copies in 3 days than Halo 3 did back in the day. Nintendo is selling more exclusives than ever. It seems MS wants the landscape to change. They want to be the Netflix of gaming, but they simply cannot be Netflix of gaming because unlike video games, netflix is available on every smart tv, smart phone, smart pad, smart watch and smart fridge. he is trying to do the impossible. Gaming can never become the netflix of gaming.

You want to offer Gamepass? Fine. If Phil wants to put games on PC to expand his eco system, fine. Those things dont need to come at the expense of the quality of games which is precisely what's going to happen when games are built around jaguar CPUs and 50 MBps HDDs.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Per usual, reading the source on a GAF Papa Phil thread is a requirement. He never specified anything regarding PS5, just talks about Microsoft’s own strategy. And at this point after years of seeing him make moves, no one should be surprised by a comment like that.

He believes they can support the Xbox One AND launch amazing games on XSX and also support PC. Personally I think it’s a very good, pro consumer approach. But we’ll see if others agree or not.

Sony sure didn’t hurt his point any with that presentation they had. The best looking games were all cinematic or cross gen PS4/5 games.

 

[Fake]

Is this article a Windows 10 Store exclusive?

 

[GRIEVEZ]

Snip*

 

[Ascend]

Switch is a handheld. That's different.

As a console, it's BAD.

 

[quest]

I think Microsoft is doing the right thing in some cases. Sony is screwing ps4 owners out of spiderman miles dlc to keep it "exclusive". It was not built from scratch for the PS5 that dlc could of been on the ps4. The first real next generation game will be horizon how many years out. If Microsoft is done with cross generation by then they are fine. I would be mad at Microsoft for cross generation but not like Sony has a from scratch naughty dog or horizon at launch.

Switch is a handheld. That's different.

As a console, it's BAD.

Landscape is changing? How? Console gaming has never been stronger. Exclusives have never sold better. TLOU2 just sold more copies in 3 days than Halo 3 did back in the day. Nintendo is selling more exclusives than ever. It seems MS wants the landscape to change. They want to be the Netflix of gaming, but they simply cannot be Netflix of gaming because unlike video games, netflix is available on every smart tv, smart phone, smart pad, smart watch and smart fridge. he is trying to do the impossible. Gaming can never become the netflix of gaming.

You want to offer Gamepass? Fine. If Phil wants to put games on PC to expand his eco system, fine. Those things dont need to come at the expense of the quality of games which is precisely what's going to happen when games are built around jaguar CPUs and 50 MBps HDDs.

Its stronger for Sony sure but we are down to 2 home consoles and went from near 300 million consoles sold to less than 200 million. If your a fan of 1 company controlling everything sure its great. Im sure Sony won't trample rights and be dicks if they drive Microsoft out to lol. Now get a second job!

 

[martino]

each gen context is not the same
and when the tech mostly evolve with also mostly same arch/software lot of game designs can scale down
this is common sense outside any Brand agenda.

 

[Dr Bass]

Asking why you want a series X is such a baseline and dumb question imo. They have very clearly tried to offer the best place to play third party games, which are a majority of the sales on a machine.

Saying it's not smart is way too pre mature. We have no way to know if it'll work or not yet. But they are tackling the strategy pretty smart so far with a Lockhart sku and series X SKU and and game pass combo.

it's also been discussed many times that this whole holding back a narrative doesn't hold a lot of weight. Developers have spoken out that they don't expect it to hold back games and the notion is a bit silly as games are not designed in a linearity fashion that is dictated by hardware.

The "holding back" discussion pertains to Series S vs X. That's been obvious from the start that wouldn't be the case because the brains of the system would be the same.

Xbox One system will absolutely hold back Series S/X games unless the design is just not the same between the games, and then it's hardly the same game as I mentioned in a previous post in this thread.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Also Phil Spencer.

Oh look at that .

 

[Topfuel]

Will garbage dispencer please shut his trap? Him and that Aaron Greenberg lapdog of his. Middle earth shadow of mordor had a gimped nemesis system on ps3/x360 for a reason. You can't have ambitious game with this support all systems policy of theirs. They know they are cornered (due to releasing the Scorpio) and now has to make borderline absurd claims to justify their position.

Why are you so angry?

 

[baphomet]

They didn't learn anything from the One did they?

Shut the fuck up. You're unselling your own console.

 

[Jon Neu]

He never mentioned ps5. Click bait article is click bait. But hey, it’s Phil, so let’s dog pile him.

Edit: Also, because even the guy writing the article doesn’t get it so I’ll say it again... nobody is forcing developers to make the games work on the old Xbox. MS are saying that for a short time their first party titles will, so that the older user base isn’t forgotten. Third party developers can make games for either both, just the One, or just the X/S.

Shhhhh

People need another thread to bash Phil Spencer and MS. Get the hell away with your facts and logic, you xbot.

 

[Nikana]

The "holding back" discussion pertains to Series S vs X. That's been obvious from the start that wouldn't be the case because the brains of the system would be the same.

Xbox One system will absolutely hold back Series S/X games unless the design is just not the same between the games, and then it's hardly the same game as I mentioned in a previous post in this thread.

That argument of one vs X/S has more weight but we don't know how they handling the ports.

 

[Blond]

Will garbage dispencer please shut his trap? Him and that Aaron Greenberg lapdog of his. Middle earth shadow of mordor had a gimped nemesis system on ps3/x360 for a reason. You can't have ambitious game with this support all systems policy of theirs. They know they are cornered (due to releasing the Scorpio) and now has to make borderline absurd claims to justify their position.

It wasn't gimped, it was gone completely!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Xbox’s Phil Spencer Says PS5-Style Next-Gen Exclusives “Counter to What Gaming is About”

The idea that Xbox Series X games will be held back by crossgen development is nothing but a "meme" insists Phil Spencer.

wccftech.com

The device does not matter it is the game and the gamers... so tell me again why you are building and selling XSX and not games for all consoles?

 

[S77]

Microsoft actively trying to get farther behind Sony and Nintendo, with great success I would say. After self-sabotaging themselves for a whole generation they just announce that they're going to do the exact same for another one.

It's insane to even think that this is the same company that brought us the Xbox 360.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Phil changes the tune whenever it suits him and the fans just sing along.

 

[Nikana]

Switch is a handheld. That's different.

As a console, it's BAD.

Landscape is changing? How? Console gaming has never been stronger. Exclusives have never sold better. TLOU2 just sold more copies in 3 days than Halo 3 did back in the day. Nintendo is selling more exclusives than ever. It seems MS wants the landscape to change. They want to be the Netflix of gaming, but they simply cannot be Netflix of gaming because unlike video games, netflix is available on every smart tv, smart phone, smart pad, smart watch and smart fridge. he is trying to do the impossible. Gaming can never become the netflix of gaming.

You want to offer Gamepass? Fine. If Phil wants to put games on PC to expand his eco system, fine. Those things dont need to come at the expense of the quality of games which is precisely what's going to happen when games are built around jaguar CPUs and 50 MBps HDDs.

I said the landscape of tech. Not gaming.

Again it's about ecosystems and that's what they are chasing.

 

[fallingdove]

Fuck off Phil.

 

[Thaedolus]

I just wanna play good fuckin games man, can we have that? MS has done good with the game pass and PC crossplay stuff. Sony’s doing good with their first party stuff. Nintendo gonna Nintendo....no company is perfect but let’s stop with the paradigm shift bullshit and just put some games out, por favor.

 

[Tomeru]

This seems like another bait console war thread that you guys enjoy. This is why I dont post in the Next Gen Speculation thread. A whole circlejerk obessed with talking about something they hate.

Yet you had to hop in and say absolutely nothing... Who woulda thunkit?

 

[tryDEATH]

Phil has been going on a savage PR spree.

It will certainly trigger hardcore PS fans, but these interviews aren't aimed towards them, instead its towards the casuals and everything he is saying, the average gamer will love what he is hearing.

This is a perfectly executed PR 101 game from Phil, he addressed the power issue and now is going full on with the pro consumer messaging, be it with backwards compatibility or last generation support for at least a year, neither things you can really disagree or clown him for.

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

All hes saying is that their exclusives will spread across the Xbox platform/ecosystem. Not that there wont be any exclusives for next gen. If you guys didnt try so hard to be willfully daft, your efforts would come around a bit better. They have the tools to scale games across devices so everyone has a chance to play, where they want to play with applicable assets etc. If you can do it and still make Series X and PC versions look and feel next gen, why not???

Keep sucking on that refreshing green

kool aid