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There is no Xbox 'Series S'
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geordiemp
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DaGwaphics
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Who knows if there will be a "lockhart" console. But, I would say the evidence provided against it is a little weak.
1). It isn't mentioned on the box art.
If it's a digital console as has been speculated, it would never appear on the physical box art. Those games, by definition, don't work on lockhart. Lockhart games would be purchased from the Xbox store.
2). Xbox one is supported, so no need.
The theoretical lockhart we've been speculating about (maybe laughably) would exist for the full generation and would provide better results at 1080p than One S (more than twice the power, etc.). Just because you continue supporting an old system via software for a minute doesn't mean that you can't replace it in the lineup.
Regardless, we haven't heard a word on the subject directly from MS. It ain't real until they say it is.
1). It isn't mentioned on the box art.
If it's a digital console as has been speculated, it would never appear on the physical box art. Those games, by definition, don't work on lockhart. Lockhart games would be purchased from the Xbox store.
2). Xbox one is supported, so no need.
The theoretical lockhart we've been speculating about (maybe laughably) would exist for the full generation and would provide better results at 1080p than One S (more than twice the power, etc.). Just because you continue supporting an old system via software for a minute doesn't mean that you can't replace it in the lineup.
Regardless, we haven't heard a word on the subject directly from MS. It ain't real until they say it is.
DynamiteCop!
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How about a ban bet? Why not make it interesting. 1 month.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Vawn, you game?I'm currently in a bet already but I meant more between you andVawn .
But considering I am the gaffer in question who made the verified thread, I would say it's easy to see what side of the fence I am on.
P.S. Nikana you're already on the road to a perm then, no need for one month lol.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
DynamiteCop!
Banned
It can be requested.
RasAlGhoul
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NullZ3r0
Banned
More like Xbox (brand) Series (product) X (SKU).
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Xbox is its own division now essentially operating as its own company.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
An August reveal to a late October or November release isn't what I would classify as "last moment."
The only thing that is making me doubt whether it'll release is COVID impacting hardware production and causing MS to fully prioritise SX. But I'm about 80% sure it's real and is coming this year.
The cover branding is weird though, maybe they'll change it once it gets announced?
The cover branding is weird though, maybe they'll change it once it gets announced?
element
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What? Xbox (MIcrosoft Games) is a division, but they don't operate as their own company. Xbox is still VERY interconnected within the larger Microsoft divisions and services.
Hell that is the whole point of the generationless concept and to build on/within the other SaaS that Microsoft provides (Azure = xCloud, Azure = PlayFab).
They want people to be consumers of "Xbox" in whatever variant it can be consumed through.
Dr Bass
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Not even Microsoft is selling the Xbox One X. The whole lineup is basically dead in prep for the new stuff.
Shifty1897
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This thread alone is irrefutable evidence that Microsoft has shit the bed with console naming two generations in a row. What the hell is wrong with the marketing team.
Don't want to call it the Xbox 4 because of the 5 comparisons? Fine, call it the Xbox 5! You did that with Windows when you skipped 9 and went straight to 10 and everything worked out fine with that!
Don't want to call it the Xbox 4 because of the 5 comparisons? Fine, call it the Xbox 5! You did that with Windows when you skipped 9 and went straight to 10 and everything worked out fine with that!
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DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
I'm hoping for.
Xbox series X
Xbox series x
Xbox series X
Xbox series x
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
“The name we're carrying forward to the next generation is simply Xbox,” the Microsoft representative said. “And at The Game Awards you saw that name come to life through the Xbox Series X.”
From :
www.ign.com
Seems pretty obvious that Series X is a SKU of the Xbox... so.. people are expecting a Series S SKU.
From :
Xbox Series X Name Explained By Microsoft - IGN
Microsoft reveals that the next-generation line of consoles is actually just called Xbox.
Seems pretty obvious that Series X is a SKU of the Xbox... so.. people are expecting a Series S SKU.
DaGwaphics
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The availability is very good right now it seems. What stores did you find that had a new one?
shoot
Dr Bass
was quicker. Even the S models have seem starved at retail, almost like they are being rationed. The white and black controllers too. Maybe there won't be an XBox One and XSX section, but just an XBOX section.
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Vawn
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I wish they had gone with Xbox Series Z and Xbox Series Not Z. According to Reee, all of GAF would be getting the latter.
DaGwaphics
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Don't give them ideas like that. Damn. Now that's probably what they'll do. Next gen will be Xbox The Series X.
sonomamashine
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Hobbygaming
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It's too easy for trolls to have fun with the name Sbox lol
CrysisFreak
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OP has got a point. All the covers only mention Series X. Maybe Lockhart really will be called Series X "yadda"
sonomamashine
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I like you i don't wanna see you gone.
... but i like himI'm currently in a bet already but I meant more between you and
But considering I am the gaffer in question who made the verified thread, I would say it's easy to see what side of the fence I am on.
DynamiteCop!
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bitbydeath
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@DynamiteCop!
You won't see "Series S" branding on game cases because...... Wait for it..... There's no disc drive for those games to be placed into.
Uh oh. Someone better go deliver the bad news to Tom Warren.
That makes sense.
OptimistPrime
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It’s either this, OR Lockhart is only for deploying on xCloud. I can imagine making a separate 1080p60 target makes more sense for the state of streaming (compared to 4K) and lets them save on cloud infrastructure.
But honestly it would be kind of silly to go to all the trouble of having devs target two specs and not releasing a very cheap digital console with the same specs.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Are you predicting that there will be no lower powered SKU or that we will have one but it will not be called Series S?
mckmas8808
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Another fact of reality that people are overlooking is this. They plan on supporting the Xbox One for a period of 12-24 months beyond the release of Series X.
How exactly does a 'Series S' slot into this? The Xbox One is their budget support line of hardware for games they will make available, it doesn't even have a place in the market. By the time they phase out the Xbox One the Series X would be in a position of more affordable options.
And to add to this even more they are pushing Xbox All Access hard for the Series X, making it affordable even for people who can't outright buy one.
'Series S' doesn't fit into anything they're doing, and the branding of the platform is already solidified. It's already case art.
So then what is Lockhart? Are you saying Lockhart isn't a real thing being worked on?
DynamiteCop!
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That there will be no second SKU, it will be the Series X and trail off the generation with Xbox One as a budget alternative.
notseqi
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Sbaks X: The Series
Pfhunkie
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I thought the official name of this generation of Xbox is just “Xbox” according to Phil Spencer?
www.gamespot.com
If that’s the case, “Series X” is the SKU.
Xbox Series X: It's Just Called "Xbox," Actually; More Consoles Might Come
Microsoft confirms the name of the next-gen console is simpler than we originally thought.
www.gamespot.com
If that’s the case, “Series X” is the SKU.
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Silent Duck
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My Prediction:
Xbox Series X
Lil' X
Lil' X will sell 728 billion units in two weeks.
Xbox Series X
Lil' X
Lil' X will sell 728 billion units in two weeks.
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In this case, call a console "Series X", where "series" not implies a series in the common sense of this word, would means a bigger mistake than call a console WiiU.
oldergamer
Member
I was thinking this the other day. What if the "S" merely meant subsidized. Where both consoles have small differences. Where you can make a monthly payment instead of one lump sum to get the console?
Vawn
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They named a console, the Xbox One SAD.
Hobbygaming
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Yeah good point
DynamiteCop!
Banned
No, they named a console the Xbox One S All-Digital Edition.
You're purposefully shortening the name to create an inaccurate acronym.
K.N.W.
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I honestly believe that, due to the X letter at the end of the console's name, Microsoft was really willing to make a light version for Xbox Series hardware, but for the moment we don't have any announcement.
The reasons for this may range between Covid halting production, PS5 being different than what they expected, difficulties in marketing XSS against X1X, or even performance concerns.
Don't listen to what people say about the ease of scaling games up and down across platforms: it can be a really troublesome process, if not game limiting in some cases, especially if a game targets specifically a strong platform like XSX.
But the name Series X is here to stay: we can presume they probably have engineered a lower spec version, and not releasing it would mean money spent on development being lost (developing a console can cost more than 1 Billion dollars, a lighter version of said hardware could easily mean hundreds of million dollars being put on the table for R&D).
I really want them to target those 52 CUs, so that they can leverage some in depth optimizations, not the just the usual ones that happen during the development, but also focused programming/resource management to maxime hardware utilization and performances. Scaling back from XSX to XSS could result in either having problems downporting some of the most complex games or XSS being overpowered (remember the rumor about XSS having one third of the teraflops but targeting just one quarter of the resolution??), or hell, even XSX losing features ! (please remember that those CUs are not just for graphics, they might be used for advanced simulatons like physics or AI, downporting those might not be possible if there aren't enough CUs available)
So for me it's: Strong Xbox Series S or bust!!!
The reasons for this may range between Covid halting production, PS5 being different than what they expected, difficulties in marketing XSS against X1X, or even performance concerns.
Don't listen to what people say about the ease of scaling games up and down across platforms: it can be a really troublesome process, if not game limiting in some cases, especially if a game targets specifically a strong platform like XSX.
But the name Series X is here to stay: we can presume they probably have engineered a lower spec version, and not releasing it would mean money spent on development being lost (developing a console can cost more than 1 Billion dollars, a lighter version of said hardware could easily mean hundreds of million dollars being put on the table for R&D).
I really want them to target those 52 CUs, so that they can leverage some in depth optimizations, not the just the usual ones that happen during the development, but also focused programming/resource management to maxime hardware utilization and performances. Scaling back from XSX to XSS could result in either having problems downporting some of the most complex games or XSS being overpowered (remember the rumor about XSS having one third of the teraflops but targeting just one quarter of the resolution??), or hell, even XSX losing features ! (please remember that those CUs are not just for graphics, they might be used for advanced simulatons like physics or AI, downporting those might not be possible if there aren't enough CUs available)
So for me it's: Strong Xbox Series S or bust!!!