kyliethicc
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Good point. it all could change, and I’m just guessing. Maybe it will have a Lockhart badge added and another badge for Xcloud too. Idk
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pasterpl
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didn’t you hear that xbsex is just a brute force power machine, basically pc in smaller form factor?
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Lort
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Are you sure?
Oodle Texture Compression
RAD Game Tools' web page. RAD makes Bink Video, the Telemetry Performance Visualization System, and Oodle Data Compression - all popular video game middleware.www.radgametools.com
And another bit that might be of interest:
"And of course, it all works incredibly with the PS5's built-in hardware Kraken decoder. "
What brilliant selective quoting to misrepresent the truth to stoke fanboy dreams .. the literal tweets before your first then straigh after your second .
notice here his talking about consoles then says you can choose CPU decoding to .. seems to me to imply in some cases even when you have hardware decompress youd have to ( it is a little unclear) use CPU.
Either way his absolutly clear that to keep up with a console SSD you would need to use GPU decode ( NOT hardware decode) and it would take 10 % GPU. ( which he avoids admitting but is easy to work out given what he says)
Lort
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i cant see how sfs would provide savings for a back compat game.. the game will be forcibly loading textures in before hand... they could use page fault style virtual mempry but give the machine has more ram than all requested textures theres seems to be no point. Also at system restore state the whole image is loaded in..
pawel86ck
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Ronald has said SFS is a new feature and an effective multiplier on available system memory and I/O bandwidth, resulting in significantly more memory and I/O throughput. These are not my words, I'm just quoting Jason Ronald.
There's also James Stanard (MS engine architect) further confirming what SFS does. According to him compression and SFS gains stack.
It's not hard to understand what MS engineers have said. The implications are obvious but I guess some people dont like to hear what MS engineers have to say, because it's already established here XSX is bottlenecked like PC (and lets not forget about bruteforce
), while PS5 is more efficient and better engineered in every way. SFS suggest the otherwise, so now you guys are trying to tell me SFS will not work like Ronald has said, or SFS is nothing new.PS5 / XSX launch is not long from now, so we will know how performance looks in real games without any biased interpretations of PS5 / XSX architectures. Personally I expect both consoles to be extremely close. Maybe even digital foundry will be not so sure who is the clear winner. I guess sony fans dont want such scenario, because some of you (like for example FieRR) have already visualized a reality, where PS5 games looks like next gen games compared to XSX thanks to SSD
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Lort
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5GB/s raw (at least) was the target, it's sustained.
he said peak or average .. you said sustained .. they are three different metrics.
peak maximum and sustained ( often the same under ideal situations) .. he asked for average .. which is what a game will usually get when all overheads are included.
average might be the most useful metric but only if both consoles were selective and the consistant in their method of measurement ( like standardized fuel economy in cars) . Microsoft says theres is average and it can go faster than their quote .. but they never say what the peak or sustainable peak is.
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Setsuna Mudou
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Actually, if you look at the image, on the 5GB/s, it says "at least" in parenthesis. So what do you think it means?
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah I was just trying to come up with ways they‘d cut cost. If it has a 1 TB SSD and can use external USB hard drives, I doubt causal gamers would need more storage than that, and those SSD expansion cards will be pricey. Just a guess, but you’re probably right.
Hairsplash
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i do.
sorry, OT rant on pc 4k game playing...
BUT DAMN, the frame rate is “stupid” play at 1440p and get “perfect” frame rate... (4K playing is an endless adjustment of game settings... “what do i need to adjust to keep the frame rate above 40fps, because that is the minimum frame rate my monitor gsync/adaptive range is.... and if the frame frate is above 60, the vsync does not work because the limit is set to 63, just enough to f**k up the smoothness.
who said pc gameing is PCMR . easy? right.... give me a console the does 60fps all the time, (perferably a sony console) and i will no longer have a “boat” computer lol (ok, the joke is “a boat is a hole in the water, that you throw money into“)
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Bo_Hazem
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The extreme bottom is 5GB/s RAW.
Lort
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It means in worst case peak throughput ... i would guess? ( which could easily be higher than average depending on you calculate it)
The method of calculating average is vitally important.
Hairsplash
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sorry no chance (IMO ) .... at that price “side hustlers” buy them, and then sell them for hundred dollars more, on amazon and ebay...
SONY therefore leaves money on the table... . i think it will be 450us for the digital version (sold online (only) at amazon, bestbuy etc... why sell a digital version in store?... the store does not sell digital games... maybe “money cards”)
and 500 for the disk version, (the extra 50 dollars is the stores profit)
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Bo_Hazem
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He's concern trolling.
MasterCornholio
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I always had the theory that while the SSD speed will be the same the size of the drive could be smaller. Like maybe 500GBs for the SSD and then have the option to expand it like with the XSX.
It seems pretty logical to me.
Bo_Hazem
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Can you source your claim there? It's a very obvious concern trolling effort.
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Lort
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When compressing data, you choose a block size and potentially a number of other blocks which contain relevant require data.
think key frames in video compression...
yes you will have to have decompressed the key frame and likely one whole block.. but that might be very small depending on how the codec is configured. There is nothing stopping you knowing which blocks need to be decoded and only choose those ...
every codec has the same balancing issues... including of course ps5 ...
Lort
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Who am i quoting saying its a guess ... myself?
well i herby confirm that my guess is a guess and that peak, peak sustained and average are three different things.
Lunatic_Gamer
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60fps Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Gameplay
Please have a 60fps mode. Common Insomniac, make it happen!
Please have a 60fps mode. Common Insomniac, make it happen!
Bo_Hazem
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Ok, but no need to guess when it's officially confirmed to be at least 5GB/s raw, not compressed.
Hairsplash
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thing i love about the ps4pro, is that i t can go topless. no exposed surfaces, etc for the fan hole. so an easy way to cool the ps4pro is remove the top cover... or cut a hole in the top just above the fan hole... (the intel HSF fan is non-functional, it is just a “fan grill” to prevent things from covering the hole)
i would include a photo but the inserting of photos on an ipad doubles them...
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Lort
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I think they've said that the SSD is 2.4GB/s raw and 4.8GB/s compressed (on average).
ANYTHING they do to try and lower the amount of data they need to fetch when rendering a frame does not increase the actual transfer rates. PS5 has superior IO.
a reduction in required data does not increase the throughput it reduces the required data .. are you new here?
not only does SFS increase the efficiency of disk IO is reduces the in mem footprint..
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i have always said the RAW speed of ps5 SSD faster ..ive even pointed out the cases that Is better for .. try reading what i post before claiming to quote me saying something i never said ...
I know your a poster not a reader ...
Entroyp
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Do you think that the SSD speed on both XsX and PS5 can’t maintain its maximum throughout?
GRIEVEZ
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Theoretical (peak) is 22GB/s, 5.5GB/s is raw sustained, compressed without Oodle Texture is 8-9GB/s which is also sustained on average.
We don't know what throughput is with Oodle Texture. But im sure someone can extrapolate, without going wild.
To me it's pretty clear who focused on I/O more, evident by fixed function hardware, choice of SSD and Kraken license (you dont buy a license for every dev, for shits and giggles).
Sony wanted to close the gap between real performance and theoretical max. That's a hard sell and they most likely have a reason for this. (Horizon and Demon Souls, look to have pretty insane geometry).
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Bo_Hazem
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What about XSX SSD being only 0.2-0.25GB/s in practice due to the State of Decay 2 loading? Which is officially said by xbox themselves that it's 4x faster than Xbox one?
Xbox Series X loading times are 4x faster says Gears of War developer
The Coalition's Mike Rayner talks about what the Xbox Series X means for game developers
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yewles1
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Now that's the kind of Snapper THIS pervert was looking for.
FranXico
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That's because games need to use new APIs to reach optimal IO speed. As such, BC games only benefit from "brute force" load times improvements.What about XSX SSD being only 0.2-0.25GB/s in practice due to the State of Decay 2 loading? Which is officially said by xbox themselves that it's 4x faster than Xbox one?
Xbox Series X loading times are 4x faster says Gears of War developer
The Coalition's Mike Rayner talks about what the Xbox Series X means for game developerswww.gamesradar.com
Don't expect PS4 games to load as fast as PS5 ones on the PS5 either.
sircaw
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Now that's the kind of Snapper THIS pervert was looking for.
I think i have done enough damage today, i am now flying under the radar. No more shit posts from me.
Bell resets in +- 2 hours time
Bo_Hazem
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Why show it in the first place? And what about 6sec "quick" resume? Why it's taking that much?
Lethal01
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New shots of the UE 5 demo assets, It's still the best showcase of next gen possibilities by a wide margin.
Love those lips
Love those lips
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Dibils2k
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it is also not a gameNew shots of the UE 5 demo assets, It's still the best showcase of next gen possibilities by a wide margin.
Love those lips
FranXico
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Compared to current gen, it is quite an improvement.
sircaw
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New shots of the UE 5 demo assets, It's still the best showcase of next gen possibilities by a wide margin.
Love those lips
Of all things to like, next generation, you focus on a pair of lips. FS.
you have no standards. Pervert.
Like to see a shot where they pucker up.
Bo_Hazem
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Why an old, slow PS5 pre-devkit did 0.8sec vs 10-15sec spider-man? Don't say it's been optimized, no proof is there.
To demonstrate, Cerny fires up a PS4 Pro playing Spider-Man, a 2018 PS4 exclusive that he worked on alongside Insomniac Games. (He’s not just an systems architect; Cerny created arcade classic Marble Madness when he was all of 19 and was heavily involved with PlayStation and PS2 franchises like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and Ratchet and Clank.) On the TV, Spidey stands in a small plaza. Cerny presses a button on the controller, initiating a fast-travel interstitial screen. When Spidey reappears in a totally different spot in Manhattan, 15 seconds have elapsed. Then Cerny does the same thing on a next-gen devkit connected to a different TV. (The devkit, an early “low-speed” version, is concealed in a big silver tower, with no visible componentry.) What took 15 seconds now takes less than one: 0.8 seconds, to be exact.
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
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3liteDragon
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Quick off-topic post: Apple’s, Uber’s, Bill Gates’, Mike Bloomberg’s, and Elon Musk‘s Twitter accounts have been hacked.
geordiemp
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What brilliant selective quoting to misrepresent the truth to stoke fanboy dreams .. the literal tweets before your first then straigh after your second .
notice here his talking about consoles then says you can choose CPU decoding to .. seems to me to imply in some cases even when you have hardware decompress youd have to ( it is a little unclear) use CPU.
Either way his absolutly clear that to keep up with a console SSD you would need to use GPU decode ( NOT hardware decode) and it would take 10 % GPU. ( which he avoids admitting but is easy to work out given what he says)
No.
Oodle texture works on all consoles, pC and all textures to create BCn (1 to 7). It does the same thing as BcPack, just 2 different suppliers MS or Sony can buy data tools from. Thats all.
BCn is the native format a GPU reads, and oodle (Or Bcpack) before creating the BCn is like a RDO Jpeg so the Bcn format is smaller - thats all it is.
Bc7 can be compressed EVEN futher using Bc7prep but requires a CPU decode. Its OPTIONAL. I doubt it will be used as it takes more resources but its there if anyone wants a little bit more just for Bc7 .
There is nothing console specific here, no unique benefits for Ps5 or XSX, they can both use or not use any of above. PC can also use oodle or BCPack BCn created data. So can Ps4, Xb1, apple mac, Switch.....maybe i am getting there....
People should at least read up on things they post about, and at minimum have some idea what it is or are they so desperate to win the war they get excited at almost anything
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Insane Metal
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The girl seems somewhat based on Angelina Jolie.New shots of the UE 5 demo assets, It's still the best showcase of next gen possibilities by a wide margin.
Love those lips
OT: that looks amazing.
sircaw
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In what way, the clothes>?
Insane Metal
Member
Her face.
sircaw
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I must admit i have never been much of an Angelina Jolie fan, but i don't see it myself. Maybe its old age or something.
sircaw
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Quick off-topic post: Apple’s, Uber’s, Bill Gates’, Mike Bloomberg’s, and Elon Musk‘s Twitter accounts have been hacked.
I just sent £399 cash, fs man, that was my ps5 money.
And with that night night all, keep up the good fight.
Remember no shit posting.......with out me present. hugs.
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SgtCaffran
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Wow. The compressed youtube video really doesn't do the UE5 demo justice. Those stills are just unbelievable! It's incredible to see how much impact a super fast SSD can have on the level of detail!
Lethal01
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Irrelevant, It's a playable realtime demo and just like every other one from Epic is likely to be surpassed in a few years. maybe even less.
Neo Blaster
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Makes me wonder, was that Spiderman demo brute force or optimized?
pawel86ck
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Everyhing is rendered in real time here and it wasnt just a simple tech demo, so there's a hope real games using UE5 will look comparable.
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geordiemp
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Its quite amusing, you keep preaching about SFS, and you dont really understand its just a filter in hardware that blends in a higher res texture for a LOD (Mipmap) if it arrives LATE.
You do realise the choosing of how much you prefetch and decide if its in view or not is a software thing - its not secret sauce you seem to think.
You do realise that Nanite does this for the traingles and voxels it uses in UE5 and does this in teh demo but on more complex geometry so its not as simple as SFS, and adds to the streaming pool only what the camera sees already ?
Lethal01
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Of all things to like, next generation, you focus on a pair of lips. FS.
you have no standards. Pervert.
Like to see a shot where they pucker up.
The rocks are nice too, whatever float your boat. i don't judge.
MasterCornholio
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