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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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J_Gamer.exe

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Fair enough, maybe I did. It was a while back to be fair. Bit sad you actually searched through the post to one up me, but hey, good show. What those posts refer to is that at the time, RDNA 2 was known to be exclusive to 7nm+, and the consoles were not going to be that. So before the AMD presentation we had no way of knowing you could even do what was done.



I did have, but I removed the post, as it wasn’t fair on him.

To be fair, I’m just going to back away from all this. It’s more trouble that it’s worth. Please be my guest to act the fool guys, do what you need to do, get it out of your systems.

Nice chatting with some of you. Others... wow.


You removed the post but me and others already replied to it so it was still there....


To those questioning... the guy is principal graphics engineer at Sony... so its interesting to say the least...
 

silent head

Member
I must have missed it?



I was referring to the 2 DF articles i linked.
"I could be really specific and talk about experimenting with ambient occlusion techniques, or the examination of ray-traced shadows," says Laura Miele, chief studio officer for EA. "More generally, we’re seeing the GPU be able to power machine learning for all sorts of really interesting advancements in the gameplay and other tools." Above all, Miele adds, it's the speed of everything that will define the next crop of consoles. "We're stepping into the generation of immediacy. In mobile games, we expect a game to download in moments and to be just a few taps from jumping right in. Now we’re able to tackle that in a big way."
 

longdi

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"I could be really specific and talk about experimenting with ambient occlusion techniques, or the examination of ray-traced shadows," says Laura Miele, chief studio officer for EA. "More generally, we’re seeing the GPU be able to power machine learning for all sorts of really interesting advancements in the gameplay and other tools." Above all, Miele adds, it's the speed of everything that will define the next crop of consoles. "We're stepping into the generation of immediacy. In mobile games, we expect a game to download in moments and to be just a few taps from jumping right in. Now we’re able to tackle that in a big way."

Was she talking about PS5 or next gen as a whole? MS next DX will have good ML support.
Series X have hardware enchanced ML support, on top of more CU!

Sony guy just said no ML in PS5...Mark Cerny has never spoken about ML ..
It is just so weird that Sony guy puts PS5 inbetween rdna1 and 2, instead of rdna2 custom...
 
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Imtjnotu

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Fair enough, maybe I did. It was a while back to be fair. Bit sad you actually searched through the post to one up me, but hey, good show. What those posts refer to is that at the time, RDNA 2 was known to be exclusive to 7nm+, and the consoles were not going to be that. So before the AMD presentation we had no way of knowing you could even do what was done.



I did have, but I removed the post, as it wasn’t fair on him.

To be fair, I’m just going to back away from all this. It’s more trouble that it’s worth. Please be my guest to act the fool guys, do what you need to do, get it out of your systems.

Nice chatting with some of you. Others... wow.
You could end up costing this man his job is that dm was real.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Was she talking about PS5 or next gen as a whole? MS next DX will have good ML support.
Series X have hardware enchanced ML support, on top of more CU!

Sony guy just said no ML in PS5...Mark Cerny has never spoken about ML ..
It is just so weird that Sony guy puts PS5 inbetween rdna1 and 2, instead of rdna2 custom...
wtf are you talking about? the article is titled deeper look into the PS5. Not xbox. let it go.
 

Imtjnotu

Member
You removed the post but me and others already replied to it so it was still there....


To those questioning... the guy is principal graphics engineer at Sony... so its interesting to say the least...
But why was he willing to break his nda and risk his career over a dm?
 
Amd and sony:

Ps5 is rdna2

Xbox fanboys :

Ps5 is rdna 0.472

😬😂


Can we let this fucking go? How many times sony and amd have to say its rdna 2 ?

Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens you got banned on era for being an xbox fanboy and everyone knows u here and knows u r a fanboy .u have absolutely zero credibility and objectivity. I have no idea why a thread should be derailed because of ur bs.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Fair enough, maybe I did. It was a while back to be fair. Bit sad you actually searched through the post to one up me, but hey, good show. What those posts refer to is that at the time, RDNA 2 was known to be exclusive to 7nm+, and the consoles were not going to be that. So before the AMD presentation we had no way of knowing you could even do what was done.



I did have, but I removed the post, as it wasn’t fair on him.

To be fair, I’m just going to back away from all this. It’s more trouble that it’s worth. Please be my guest to act the fool guys, do what you need to do, get it out of your systems.

Nice chatting with some of you. Others... wow.
i'd highly recommend you retire this account, and come back as an anonymous user. using your real name, with your real twitter with your family pics. you dont know when people are going to start doxing you. its just not worth it.

you've been wrong a few times which is fine. no one has a 100% record, but for the sake of your career and your family, i really hope you come back as an anonymous user. this is going to get uglier. i get that you believe certain things about the PS5 being inferior and thats ok, but its really not worth the stress my man.
 

J_Gamer.exe

Member
But why was he willing to break his nda and risk his career over a dm?

No idea, the message from the sony guy said he was legally bound to say nothing that wasn't already public. Then on the next breath said the rdna 1 and 2 hybrid bit.

Was this an error on his part thinking this was public? Or is he wrong... weird situation..
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Gavin just posted a tweet from his Sony guy friend. I think it was deleted to protect his nda.
this sony guy?

ive read this twice. i dont see where he says ps5 doesnt have ML.

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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Amd and sony:

Ps5 is rdna2

Xbox fanboys :

Ps5 is rdna 0.472

😬😂


Can we let this fucking go? How many times sony and amd have to say its rdna 2 ?

Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens you got banned on era for being an xbox fanboy and everyone knows u here and knows u r a fanboy .u have absolutely zero credibility and objectivity. I have no idea why a thread should be derailed because of ur bs.
well, hes brought the receipts and it seems hes right about at least having some contacts in the industry.

i also think you can be an xbox fanboy and still be right about some things. look at what happened with the github leaks. I and several others were on the record saying sony would never go with narrow and fast 2.0 ghz design and they went with a narrow and fast 2.23 ghz design. i think we should be open to the possibility of the xsx being more powerful than its tflops count. just like how they should be open to the possibility of the ps5 pushing above its tflops count.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
That Sony guy isn’t my friend, just FYI. I don’t know him. He was helping in the thread yesterday on twitter. Just letting that be known. He’s done nothing wrong, other than confirm stuff that was already known elsewhere. The ML tweet has nothing to even do with me, he posted that to somebody else on some other thread I believe.

I won’t be posting in this thread or the other thread anymore. I’ll still be here, but this lark isn’t much fun, right or wrong. I made an honest help thread yesterday, I worked with both Ms and Sony guys to help clear things up. and it’s turned into this. This is why nobody wants to do much of anything anymore.

Call it running away, whatever you feel like. I’ll still be here, posting in other threads. But this is daft. The only real error I made was posting that DM, which wasn’t private, was a continuation of a conversation started, was knowledge already posted and wasn’t under NDA. I didn’t feel right about posting it not because of content, but because it was a DM. None of this changes the fact I should not have posted it, but at the time you wanted proof and it was the easiest, I deleted it, but that doesn’t change the fact I did it in the first place, and for that I regret it. Sadly, it’s real. I say sadly because if it was fake it would just make me sad, but instead being real, makes me a jack ass.

I’m sorry to have ruffled feathers or pissed people off, but for now, I’m retiring from this thread and from the other. It’s just not worth the head ache it’s caused me today and yesterday.

All this shit over trying to help people... what’s the point right?
 
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Kerlurk

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this is weird. XSX is also a Navi gpu and confirmed to have ML support.

and EA exec went out of her way to talk about machine learning and it was never corrected.

I also dont know why sony would go through the trouble of bolting ray tracing hardware on their supposed RDNA 1.0 gpu and leave out machine learning. none of this adds up.

From AMD whitepaper on RDNA1:

The new SIMDs were built for mixed-precision operation and efficiently compute with a variety of datatypes to enable scientific computing and machine learning.

Here is the whitepaper:
https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/rdna-whitepaper.pdf

edit: AMD is claiming for some NAVI variants in that whitepaper, in supporting different dot products. Those are their ML cards that they release, at much higher cost.

I heard that RDNA2 will include those different dot products also, but again, this maybe a case of ML specific cards to be released.
 
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well, hes brought the receipts and it seems hes right about at least having some contacts in the industry.

i also think you can be an xbox fanboy and still be right about some things. look at what happened with the github leaks. I and several others were on the record saying sony would never go with narrow and fast 2.0 ghz design and they went with a narrow and fast 2.23 ghz design. i think we should be open to the possibility of the xsx being more powerful than its tflops count. just like how they should be open to the possibility of the ps5 pushing above its tflops count.
What prove ?an unverified pm that might have been faked by using the fake text app?

Ps5 will do as expected. 15 to 20% lower resolution but faster at asset streaming and will have better ram management.

Just wait till first versus hits and xbox fanboys will start the lazy dev rhetoric cause they will very close and indistinguishable without zooming 800×
 
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longdi

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His words:

"I'm legally binded to say nothing that is not already public"

The public information is RDNA2, which he is saying it's not.

Either he's breaking NDA, or is confused/guessing?

'custom rdna2 based' is what Cerny said.

Sony guy said inbetween rdna1 and 2.

Nothing confusing.

this is weird. XSX is also a Navi gpu and confirmed to have ML support.

and EA exec went out of her way to talk about machine learning and it was never corrected.

I also dont know why sony would go through the trouble of bolting ray tracing hardware on their supposed RDNA 1.0 gpu and leave out machine learning. none of this adds up.

Another thing, Sony guy said Navi based. Why not Navi2x?

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ultrazilla

Gold Member
Anyone else think Sony is going to announce price/pre-orders are live like a few minutes before MS starts their first party preview on July 21?
 
'custom rdna2 based' is what Cerny said.

Sony guy said inbetween rdna1 and 2.

Nothing confusing.



Another thing, Sony guy said Navi based. Why not Navi2x?

Navi2X_Master_678x452.png
Ceo of amd called it rdna2.

Lol a potentially fake message by one guy who might make a mistake vs ceo of amd .

Tough choice who yo believe.

Lisa su or bunch of xbox fanboys who haven't played a video games in god knows how long 😂😂😂
 

Tiago07

Member
What does this mean it’s NAVI based therefore it does t have ML stuff in it? As in, it doesn’t have tensor cores?
We have no info about a AMD's Graphics Card with Tensor Cores, only about the Ray Tracing Hardware in RDNA2.

But the Tensor Cores only do FP16 math if I remember well, so any GPU with FP16 could do Machine Learning.

Tensor Cores is only to do accelerate this process with hardware.
 
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longdi

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Well for one, RDNA1 has ML hardware in it.

From AMD whitepaper on RDNA1:

Here is the whitepaper:
https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/rdna-whitepaper.pdf

edit: AMD is claiming for some NAVI variants in that whitepaper, in supporting different dot products.

Im sure my 1080ti has some form of ML too. But no where as usable and perfomant when you start generating graphics.

Besides MS has added secret sauce to Series X ML....DLSS is a game changer....any optimised form in Series X will be big...
Is that how MS does their HDR back porting to old games!?

The RDNA 2 architecture used in Series X does not have tensor core equivalents, but Microsoft and AMD have come up with a novel, efficient solution based on the standard shader cores. With over 12 teraflops of FP32 compute, RDNA 2 also allows for double that with FP16 (yes, rapid-packed math is back). However, machine learning workloads often use much lower precision than that, so the RDNA 2 shaders were adapted still further.

"We knew that many inference algorithms need only 8-bit and 4-bit integer positions for weights and the math operations involving those weights comprise the bulk of the performance overhead for those algorithms," says Andrew Goossen. "So we added special hardware support for this specific scenario. The result is that Series X offers 49 TOPS for 8-bit integer operations and 97 TOPS for 4-bit integer operations. Note that the weights are integers, so those are TOPS and not TFLOPs. The net result is that Series X offers unparalleled intelligence for machine learning."
 

longdi

Banned
If its not public it can be fake . U don't know . I don't know . No one does.

Lisa su has said ps5 is rdna2 .Mark cerny has said its rdna 2

Hell ps5 is the only console we have seen raytracing running on lol. No raytracing has been seen runing of xsx yet .

lol Minecraft was running RT on Series X. MS was so confident, they provided DF with it and all the information
 
He shared it as common knowledge, as that’s what it is to anybody that has a brain cell. It’s not for internet points, what the hell? Why does everything have to be a battle to you guys? Like it’s some game?

But I’ll remove it, just in case. Last thing I want is for anybody to get in trouble.

It was a direct DM to you, AND what he had shared was NOT "common knowledge." Either way, it was a shitty thing for you to share a DM on public forum or anywhere without his consent!
 
lol Minecraft was running RT on Series X. MS was so confident, they provided DF with it and all the information
Last gen game lol . Please

Ps5 showed next gen gane raytracing and DF did the analysis already.

U guys either have short memory or love to go into xbox discord groups and create fake shit and expect everyone to accept it lol . Tough time ahead of u guys with cross gen games 😂😂😂😬 enjoy it
 
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That Sony guy isn’t my friend, just FYI. I don’t know him. He was helping in the thread yesterday on twitter. Just letting that be known. He’s done nothing wrong, other than confirm stuff that was already known elsewhere. The ML tweet has nothing to even do with me, he posted that to somebody else on some other thread I believe.

I won’t be posting in this thread or the other thread anymore. I’ll still be here, but this lark isn’t much fun, right or wrong. I made an honest help thread yesterday, I worked with both Ms and Sony guys to help clear things up. and it’s turned into this. This is why nobody wants to do much of anything anymore.

Call it running away, whatever you feel like. I’ll still be here, posting in other threads. But this is daft. The only real error I made was posting that DM, which wasn’t private, was a continuation of a conversation, was knowledge already posted and was under NDA. I didn’t feel right about posting it not because of content, but because it was a DM.

I’m sorry to have ruffled feathers or pissed people off, but for now, I’m retiring from this thread and from the other. It’s just not worth the head ache it’s caused me today and yesterday.

All this shit over trying to help people... what’s the point right?
You're playing for the wrong team, you can't win in this topic
 

jose4gg

Member
I love how people Tends to read things.

If Mark Cerny had said “PS5 is RDNA2” I can see people saying “see PS5 is just RDNA2, no new functionalities, no customization, MS has done a lot of customization”

Mark Cerny said “Custom RDNA2 BASED” and here we are again with the RDNA1 FUD again.
 
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sircaw

Banned
This thread is making me feel coo coo

This is what fud does.

Geordie can't post here anymore, hes pissed i can't blame him. This crap is timed perfectly for next week.

We have seen the CEO of AMD say Ps5 is RDNA2, why are we discussing or giving credence to bullshit, its beyond me.

AMD’s EVP Computing and Graphics, Rick Bergman said, “We’re on the cusp of the next generation. The next generation consoles will use our latest Zen technology, will use our latest RDNA technology as well, really creating this immersive experience with raytracing, 3D audio, fast load times to really excite a new generation of games.”
 
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longdi

Banned
Last gen game lol . Please

Ps5 showed next gen gane raytracing and DF did the analysis already.

U guys either have short memory or love to go into xbox discord groups and create fake shit and expect everyone to accept it lol . Tough time ahead of u guys with cross gen games 😂😂😂😬 enjoy it

Wait till next week then? 🤷‍♀️

With this leak, im feeling even more confident for Series X to much outdo PS5 in visuals and performance.
 

longdi

Banned
This is what fud does.

Geordie can't post here anymore, hes pissed i can't blame him. This crap is timed perfectly for next week.

We have seen the CEO of AMD say Ps5 is RDNA2, why are we discussing or giving credence to bullshit, its beyond me.

AMD’s EVP Computing and Graphics, Rick Bergman said, “We’re on the cusp of the next generation. The next generation consoles will use our latest Zen technology, will use our latest RDNA technology as well, really creating this immersive experience with raytracing, 3D audio, fast load times to really excite a new generation of games.”

What Sony guy said, do not invalidated Rick above.
It just a matter how much Rdna2 advancement is in PS5.
 
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All this shit over trying to help people... what’s the point right?

Well if the blue guy gets his hands on this you can be sure it's going to spread like wildfire. And if anything the engineer said is breaking NDA it could cost him his job and he could get sued for it.

Now who were you trying to help by sharing a confidential message with us?

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Don't ever do this again especially if someone sends you something privately.
 
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