Imtjnotu
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The thing was tho is that Sony showed it all off of the PS5. Xbox did not.
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sircaw
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You could still beef with alex, people love that, you'll get the views, i promise.
Drop your job, give it a shot to find yourself homeless in 3 weeks.
While you at it don't forget leadbetter (for moving his hands that much) and john (for those "YEEAAAAAH")
There is a Deep malice burning inside you.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
I seem pretty confident in what I've mentioned, other than the PS5 ray-tracing customisations and spec bump everything else is coming from reliable sources, of course it's all leaks so it can never be 100% confirmed untill we get more official in depth looks at the consoles.-PaulIt would be nice, Paul, if non tech heads like me could see which points are more realistic it terms of happening.
Either way, thank you for the summery.
I'm pretending to be Paul but yeah that's pretty much what he said.
Metroiddarks
Member
Now very worry for how Halo will run in my Xbox one .... I was planning play it there and then play in XSXWe don't now how Spiderman looks at 60fps. Although definitely not as bad as Halo
in order to compare ..... because play in PC make me do stupid things lol.
But now man, if the Halo we saw looks like that in a PC similar to XSX,then what my Halo will looks like Halo 3
in my Xbox one base ? I am remember what happens to Forza horizon 2 in Xbox 360 and that was not pretty
but now worst.
sircaw
Banned
I seem pretty confident in what I've mentioned, other than the PS5 ray-tracing customisations and spec bump everything else is coming from reliable sources, of course it's all leaks so it can never be 100% confirmed untill we get more official in depth looks at the consoles.-Paul
I pretend to be a fish sometimes too, i got ya.
sonomamashine
Member
Care to explain ?
Are you describing yourself again ?
Or did i just hurt you to the point of non return ? remember you're just a little fish, i'm not even giving you that much.
Sinthor
Gold Member
See...I'm not sure this is on 343. I'm NOT saying 'XSX is trash' or anything either though. I honestly think that Halo as showed look fine. Looked good even in a lot of places. Just not what is expected from 'next gen' overall and WAY different from the earlier trailer they showed which SET all the expectations people had.
I honestly think that it is experiencing issues from the need for legacy support. In other words, if 343 was building this from the ground up for XSX only...I think it would be a different situation. I've wondered for a while about this. People always say that PC games scale and this is the same. True...to an extent. But GRAPHICS and RESOLUTION are what scale. When you have things bound to the limits of a CPU, it's different. For example (and this is drastic), if you're writing ANY app that has to run adequately on an old Pentium 5.....when you run it on a newer i7 it will be smoking BUT...you can't take advantage of the extra power and features of the i7 unless you write DIFFERENT CODE. In other words, another version of your app. You might even be able to bundle both versions into a 'fat binary' or something but you STILL need that additional code to take advantage of the i7.
So in this case, the simply GPU attached features and functions...no problem. But I'm afraid that the difference in CPU perhaps or even the I/O of the XSX are causing 343 to have to code for a lower common denominator and that doesn't scale up as well. I think devs will have to make MORE than just a simple patch to make XSX versions of games that run on XB1 really sing. Just my opinion, but it appears to me from Halo Infinite that my hypothesis at least has some evidence now.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Even with 343 being an average dev, that’s pretty damning.
I’m pretty confident that ND could have a patch to run it at 60fps at launch easy.
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sircaw
Banned
Just something about the way you post, it really feels personal to you.
Like a burning injustice or something.
Most people that come here, i think just like some fun, for some reason i get a postal vibe of you. Sorry.
Great Hair
Banned
I´m surprised no one is taking this more seriously.
Now the live service will cost up to $100 (due gamepass being included) every year. Those without interest in gamepass, bad luck ... pay up $100! or more (once xCloud is out).
They do that obviously to skew the data (again).
"Gamepass is lucrative" .. no shit at $100 to $200 (XBL, GP, xCloud) every year.
Microsoft stops offering 12-month Xbox Live Gold memberships
www.engadget.com
Now the live service will cost up to $100 (due gamepass being included) every year. Those without interest in gamepass, bad luck ... pay up $100! or more (once xCloud is out).
They do that obviously to skew the data (again).
"Gamepass is lucrative" .. no shit at $100 to $200 (XBL, GP, xCloud) every year.
Microsoft stops offering 12-month Xbox Live Gold memberships
Microsoft stops offering 12-month Xbox Live Gold memberships
Microsoft has stopped offering one-year Xbox Live Gold memberships in a possible move to steer users toward Game Pass.
www.engadget.com
cragarmi
Member
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Now repeat that with a straight face!!!
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Uncharted 4 has been one of my favourite games, especially the online multiplayer. I'm glad people are still appreciating it's graphics, it's one fo the best looking games ever and it's aged like fine wine.
But here's what's interesting, think about what Naughty Dog were able to accomplish with Uncharted 4 on current gen hardware, now think about the gigantic power and performance leap of the PS5 and try imagining what Naughty Dog will be able to pull of with next-gen hardware.
Here's what happens if I think about it:
I want Nate back.
I know it’s stupid. I know it’s not likely, given how 4 ended... but I just don’t want to play a glorious Ps5 Uncharted game as anyone other than Nolan North’s alter ego. I fucking love that character so damn much.
sonomamashine
Member
That's just your own description of yourself, this thread was shut down for a reason and it ain't me buddy it's you and your entourage, sorry your own smell is annoying you.
You just couldn't go thru me, you try'ed & failed miserably, blame yourself.
Ask the mods why they closed the thread, tell them about the fun you where having here.
Don't be upset i don't worship your gaming box.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
You could still beef with alex, people love that, you'll get the views, i promise.
Drop your job, give it a shot to find yourself homeless in 3 weeks.
While you at it don't forget leadbetter (for moving his hands that much) and john (for those "YEEAAAAAH")
Outside neogaf and some very few friends I know, most people don't even know that I play games.
Although gaming can make some great money if you put some serious effort into it, I think it would paint me the wrong way in my society, like a downgrade.Money and fame don't always come in the way you prefer. There is nothing wrong with gaming, but I'm already established as freelance naturalist/photographer/videographer/documentarian for more than a decade
. Being a teacher as well doesn't help.I actually started a gaming channel few years back and started picking up some subs, but dropped it quickly as some deep reviews about some games like The Division and smallpox, WHO, and other political stuff didn't seem to be going to the right ears. US/Russian governments are still holding the virus and refusing to kill it and WHO asking them to terminate it as it's considered extinct since 1979. A retired UN soldier did play with me in early stages of The Division and told me about a similar concept was held by a group during WW 1-2. They're meant to kill themselves within 3-6 days of the mission. He's a British guy, 64 old back then (69 probably now), didn't contact him lately on PSN. Actually The Divison was inspired by a protocol made by Obama about such pandemic around 2011 that inspired the game, as Massive devs said in some interviews.
The audience felt like that was too much, but you need to keep pushing a lot to be successful and I love spare time more than money, and you can even see some youtubers complaining about pressure and depression they face no matter how smiley they look.
When PS5 is out, I get to work, COVID-19 finally solved, football back to normal, it's impossible to be here as much. So when you start something, you better go balls deep or never.
Games are arts, and I enjoy them, and I don't wanna feel like it's some kinda work I have to do. I love spare time so much that I'll retire as soon as it's legally possible. Before after like 15 years you can "buy" the later 5 years in cash (5-7K OMR, $13-18K USD) and retire and get 80% of your total salary, that was my plan like 7 years from now, now that's not possible and must work for another 12 years.
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sircaw
Banned
Just like i said, you have a good day bud.
Remember, to try and breath a little. It will help with the headaches too.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Nah he is right you are agressive as fuck for nothing and real defensive about Xbox and I'd add do you know who you are talking to ?
He was hoping xbox would do good in fact we've even had our fair share of arguments about next gen where I was more on sony's side and he was more on Xbox's side.But he always stayed classy about it ...I can't say the same about you.
Maybe you need to take a break if some of us don't like what MS has shown and said won't hurt your console just be happy about it there will be a new Halo you should rejoice about playing it.
cragarmi
Member
sircaw
Banned
Yer its probably my fault, i should not of carried on. Its been a tough few days.
Sorry if offended, i normally just like humour, sometimes i take it way to far.
Apologies to you Sono, i sent you a sorry.
Sorry everyone, i will take a break and cool off, and that's not hard when your a fish.
Peace
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jose4gg
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ToadMan
Member
Perosnally I don’t think it’s possible for Sony (or MS) to change their specs now.
Specifically for Sony they are working to a power budget for the APU and variable clocks based on activity monitoring.
Changing a hardware parameter will cause a chain reaction to the rest of the system - this close to launch that is risky if they get it wrong and people’s machines brick.
Now it could be that the retail units they test are showing good cooling and lower than expected power use. In that case they can tweak the smartshift allocation and variable clock logic to give more performance.
Back when MS gave xb1 it’s small clock bump they had Watts to spare compared to the equivalent gpu so thats where they could bump the frequency.
On these machines though power is a tighter constraint.
Imtjnotu
Member
No man I take humor on here. Just don't want this shit to lead to another thread closure.
I'm the last person on here to report or block someone. I don't have any post reports or blocks since joining here a couple years ago.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
This Alex guy is funy.. completely divert the subject basically saying if this was not what it is, it would be great..
Bringing real time global illumination to the table as if that was the problem with the game.. we all know that baked light is far from ideal and can make things flat and ugly but it does that for ALL games as all games use it.. is not news.. the point is devs being able to overcome technological limitations and deliver quality visuals.. which halo devs didn't do.. that’s the point! Of course that even the worst turd game being able to use real time global illumination would benefit immensely (as Minecraft abundantly proves).
Besides he didn’t even analyzed frame rates or resolution that as far as we know is dynamic. He didn’t even touch the subject..
The only good thing in this video is that he simple destroy the “crossgen doesn’t hold back games” narrative.. as he very openly says fuck last gen
Imtjnotu
Member
did anyone hear that halo infinite have x10 processing power PER PIXEL of halo 5?
i wonder how that works? maybe combined with sample feedback multiplier it could multiply pixels PER PIXEL and end result would be...
1.25---->12tf lol
Imtjnotu
Member
Sony made the right choice
sonomamashine
Member
I'm always having a good day, don't feel the need to address me feeling some type of way.
You do the breathing remember you avatar is a fish
(it's a joke, i repeat it's a joke)I welcomed
Bo_Hazem
the first post he made here, we always have a laugh and it seems like you don't like that ???If you go up or few pages back you'll see that i didn't defend Xbox at all, you can't be neutral anymore it's either sony or fk off, lol so pathetic.
I'm not aggressive, i'm responding accordingly to what i read, you got that impression because you are sitting on sony side that's all.
lol @ he was defending xbox (which is irrelevant to argument), you are new so i get it.
I'm sorry too, i just responded, i didn't attack you.
Gediminas
Banned
do we really know PS5 PSU capabilities? the same with cooling system's capabilities? maybe there are plenty of room to increase some spec. we don't know for sure. i am going to wait what sony will say. i expect nothing anyways. i am good with PS5 as it is.
waxer
Member
Just looking at last page xbox fans already winning your little real-time gameplay argument. Not because they are right but in arguing any of it you automatically make it look like something was shown running on an xs and not a pc target lol ms showed pc games running right? Has any game been confirmed xbox yet?
What's the point in even debating pc demos vs ps5 demos and which had the best gameplay showing.
I could be wrong though. Feel free to point out which we're confirmed xs so I don't spread bull.
What's the point in even debating pc demos vs ps5 demos and which had the best gameplay showing.
I could be wrong though. Feel free to point out which we're confirmed xs so I don't spread bull.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Do you realize that your high level of salt and bitter tears taste very sweet to the rest of us in this thread?
Keep the good work
BGs
Industry Professional
Imtjnotu
Member
At this point we will be waiting till launch day
sonomamashine
Member
What does that even has to do with being salty ? salty about what ? can you quote me on anything ?Do you realize that your high level of salt and bitter tears taste very sweet to the rest of us in this thread?
Keep the good work
Ramz87
Member
Now say that without crying
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Then maybe try not to attack users and generalise them in the way People like Sircaw are interesting to debate with because they can change their mind and understand other opinion which is why after som many arguments with I hadn't blocked him because although we were arguing it was interesting and he didn't really brought fud to the discussions.I'm always having a good day, don't feel the need to address me feeling some type of way.
You do the breathing remember you avatar is a fish
I welcomed
If you go up or few pages back you'll see that i didn't defend Xbox at all, you can't be neutral anymore it's either sony or fk off, lol so pathetic.
I'm not aggressive, i'm responding accordingly to what i read, you got that impression because you are sitting on sony side that's all.
lol @ he was defending xbox (which is irrelevant to argument), you are new so i get it.
I'm sorry too, i just responded, i didn't attack you.
Sure he and I would have said some things that were factually wrong but it was honest mistakes.
For the few posts I've seen of you you were really agressive and you were attacking Sircaw which I repeat has always been classy from what I read. I would've understand you attacking some more hardocre fans clearly this seems like a misplaced tantrum.
sircaw
Banned
I get you, Its just all annoying.
This forum has been terrible the last 6 weeks, have i contributed to some of it yes, i think i have. I am not personally here for the technical side of things, i like a bit of banter and try and spread some good will about.
Am i upset at xbox, fuck yes, the last few days have made me really pissed off and i have fired back with both barrels, but that is not aimed at normal xbox fans its the execs that have lied and bullshited us. I was extremely excited for there reveal, especiall for fable and Grimdawn. I got to see neither, i was really really upset.
Vast majority of the time i stay out of xbox threads, this thread is kinda my home, all my junk and shit i post is normally found in here. The reason i do this is cos i dont want to ruin other peoples fun and second i know i will get a ban, my humour can be a bit on the edge. I don't mean to offend but i sometimes do.Have i posted in other threads yes i have but maybe 20 posts out of hundreds i guess.
I keep my jokes in here. If people are offended, don't like my stuff, just send me a tell i will stop it.
I will say this though, i won't stop riding Microsoft until Phil and co stop with the silly pr.
All of this could of been avoided if expectations were not blown out of control.
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R3claimer117
Member
People know this without you having to explain this. They rather just push agendas.
Darius87
Member
i know 12TFlops per pixel == infinite disapp... infinite pixel power with flat visuals.
and btw it's just very early build and it's coming just in 4 months, no wonder ms has to push those pixels to compensate visual details.
ToadMan
Member
You’re right - we don’t know the TDP of either PS5 or Xsex.
If the retail PS5s perform better than anticipated, the spec change would come as a change to the power budget. I really can’t see Sony increasing clock speed or doing something like enabling 2 extra CUs as was suggested.
Hypothetically if Sony had planned a 110W APU TDP, then found the retail units are actually ok at say 115W - they give a performance boost by making 115W available for the APU to use - smartshift and the activity monitor get tweaked to use that extra 5W and there is the extra performance.
Sony can give performance back just by making extra power available through firmware. That’s why I don’t think they make hardware level changes.
But this is speculation of course.
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FranXico
Member
Me and many others here have been saying that pretty much from the beginning, but the Githubbers would not shut up.
sonomamashine
Member
Don't be mad you got current gen graphics.
Quote me and quote the user addressing me, happy to discuss.
Imtjnotu
Member
Their marketing for this type of shit has been trash from the start.
They keep pushing key terms and numbers to try and sell their machine
This the shit I'm talking about.
They have been doing this since Xbox one release
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sonomamashine
Member
Too late, here is our private exchange.Don't be bothered, he's just jealous.sircaw is my BF and doesn't like me exchanging banter with you.
I'm stalking his ass
Killer Sakoman
Member
They could run on mid to high settings at 4k60 on RTX2070super which is less powerfull than XSX
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