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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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sircaw

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that's a whole lot of thigh.

Like a super Turkey.

Get in there FeiRR, you know you want to.
 
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Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem


It is known (and criticized) that DF has had exclusive access to Project Scorpio in the past. I think it was 2017 (I can be wrong). And travel and subsistence have been paid. Which sparked protests and accusations. But that is not a novelty. 10 years ago there was already a scandal related to DF and MS. It is an open secret ... DF lacks competition. It is clear that some pay better than others. You just have to look a little.
On the other hand, I hope is not expected from them to go there with their money only to make MS a favor. Of course they may had directions on how to talk about the product, which happens for any tech analysis as products are sent for free. They will tell you not to deliberately say that it's a fucking piece of garbage, but if they know their product and it's good they shouldn't tape your mouth.
Just saying I don't know why this should be criticized while it's how tech analysis works, but not in every case you are not allowed to critique something.
 
How in the hell does the argument "bu..bu..but Gamepass" have any validity at all as a counter?

The game doesn't live up to the power vested in the console. You spent MONTHS talking about that power. It's there! We know it's there! Then come walking time, you're like them MMO players that fell asleep at the wheel and autorun into a tree.

Yes, Gamepass is a good value and I hope it does well! But it isn't a valid way to excuse mediocrity.
 

IntentionalPun

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If you’re referring to COVID - that has increased game revenues.

Game companies are making bank right now and they hope to continue that trend.
Everyone in the US knows a huge portion of that was 10s of millions of fiscally irresponsible Americans getting unemployment checks higher than their wages.

The gravy train is ending soon and we are facing a huge economic issue in the coming months. Selling new hardware is going to be interesting to say the least. (only speaking from the US perspective, not as knowledgeable about what is happening or about to happen elsewhere.. but the USA is absolutely fucked)
 
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zaitsu

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Dude stop with the bullshit that Sony cares about gamers and Microsoft doesn’t they’re only here for business. This is just console warrior non sense. Halo will still be the a best seller this holiday as will both consoles will sell out. All this doom and gloom is non sense.
Dude maybe if you would understand my post properly we wouldnt have this convcerastion right now.
SONY doesn't care so much about gamer but does care about their gaming department which is their best source of income. For MS, xbox is one of many branches and for sure, not most important one.
 
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Darklor01

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Everyone in the US knows a huge portion of that was 10s of millions of fiscally irresponsible Americans getting unemployment checks higher than their wages.

The gravy train is ending soon and we are facing a huge economic issue in the coming months. Selling new hardware is going to be interesting to say the least.

Yeah.. and I'm one of those responsible people earning just a bit more busting my butt than those people doing absolutely nothing! The thing is, when they try to get jobs later, companies will look at whether they could have worked and chose not to. Not sure how that's going to go.

As for the fiscally irresponsible, they'll just put it on Credit if they have any left and list that they have Covid Hardship and cannot pay yet.
 
Everyone in the US knows a huge portion of that was 10s of millions of fiscally irresponsible Americans getting unemployment checks higher than their wages.

The gravy train is ending soon and we are facing a huge economic issue in the coming months. Selling new hardware is going to be interesting to say the least. (only speaking from the US perspective, not as knowledgeable about what is happening or about to happen elsewhere.. but the USA is absolutely fucked)
Sorry for taking this post off topic:
I remember folks in this thread saying COVID will peak in April and it's not bad its just a flue everything will be easy.
Well fuck that right? Scientific studies seem to point to permanent/long term damages to lungs, kidneys and the brain and even after weak forms of infections.
So lets just hope this thing won't be back every season/year and we will find ways to lessen the impact of covid soon.
 
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MrPotato

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Hmmm, so they don't want to analyze Halo footage because it's compressed, but they will totally do look for VRS in ps5 game(compressed video) and say there isn't any(which goes perfectly with the narrative that ps5 doesn't have VRS)

If anyone thought those guys would destroy Xbox over their show simply haven't been following along recently.

They do great work when they really want to.

But again I have said this time and time again, there are reasons Xbox flies them out to give them exclusive first deep dives and will leave it at that.
 

DaGwaphics

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Sony makes more money with only PSN than the Xbox division and Nintendo as a whole. Get your facts straight.

It's absolutely insane just how big PSN has become for Sony. So for the calendar year 2018 (using the current conversion rates), Microsoft's gaming division made $11.5 billion, Nintendo made $9.17 billion, & PSN made $12.5 billion.

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Not quite sure how this info is relevant to the discussion at hand, but good to know regardless.

I was speaking purely in hypotheticals and comparing the revenue from $60 software to a successful subscription. Basically, this was pondering the profitability of a Sony version of EA Access.
 

Darklor01

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If anyone thought those guys would destroy Xbox over their show simply haven't been following along recently.

They do great work when they really want to.

But again I have said this time and time again, there are reasons Xbox flies them out to give them exclusive first deep dives and will leave it at that.

Exactly! I love the work they are capable of. I dislike the concept they can be bought. In the end, they have to make money to pay people, .. somehow.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Not quite sure how this info is relevant to the discussion at hand, but good to know regardless.

I was speaking purely in hypotheticals and comparing the revenue from $60 software to a successful subscription. Basically, this was pondering the profitability of a Sony version of EA Access.

PSN Now with similar terms of gamepass will sabotage their profits. Sony doesn't need that when then sell 2-3 million copies of $60-70 full price along with collectors edition within a week. That's 180 million within few days for one single game. They've sold over 1.4 billion games on PS4, and that keeps the PS Plus flowing.

Sony aren't providing mediocre games to rush for such desperate business models, and they're handling PS Now pretty smartly.

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Along with their big hitters and hundreds of retro games. I personally won't even consider neither of them.
 

dwish

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Dammit!!! I feel like Cartman when he's waiting for the Wii to release. I want to freeze myself until December. Can't take this slow drip feed of information, I'm so damn hyped!
 

Rudius

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Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem


It is known (and criticized) that DF has had exclusive access to Project Scorpio in the past. I think it was 2017 (I can be wrong). And travel and subsistence have been paid. Which sparked protests and accusations. But that is not a novelty. 10 years ago there was already a scandal related to DF and MS. It is an open secret ... DF lacks competition. It is clear that some pay better than others. You just have to look a little.
About competition to DF, there is NXgamer. He is just one guy VS four in Digital Foundry, and he is not full time like them, but his videos are excellent, often better.





Also, he is practically the only one who covers VR games in his technical analysis.

 

Bo_Hazem

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I belived this poor guy first time. Too many praises about PS5 to not have a seed of truth in it.

Is there even an Xbox Series X dev-kit? If Halo, the mascot of xbox, first party, aren't showing off XSX footage so what's seriously happening? What kinda trouble is there that prevents them from having all footage running on XSX?

It's impossible at this point that they're not facing major issues and hiding it properly from the public.
 

Darklor01

Might need to stop sniffing glue
Blurry Craig would make a terrible President .... really a terrible President, believe me.

You know ... blurry Craig has ... well he’s a big fan of fake lighting. He really is.

My lighting is always perfect. My lighting is really the best of any President.

Blurry Craig doesn't wear masks.. masks are important. You know.. really important. Yuge, really.. in certain situations. Blurry Craig thinks older hardware doesn't hold back newer gen games. I fully support a unified gaming platforms. One, centrally governed way of doing things. If you disagree, you don't want to make gaming great again. I mean, I could cut off funding for gaming divisions... but I don't. I believe in the end.. people will make the right decisions.
 

MrPotato

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About competition to DF, there is NXgamer. He is just one guy VS four in Digital Foundry, and he is not full time like them, but his videos are excellent, often better.





Also, he is practically the only one who covers VR games in his technical analysis.


Like Alex leans towards Xbox, NXGamer NXGamer leans little bit towards Sony.
That's perfectly fine as long as they leave their bias at the door and make fair video.
Edit: NXGamer NXGamer just dropped his video on Xbox showcase
 
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DaGwaphics

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PSN Now with similar terms of gamepass will sabotage their profits. Sony doesn't need that when then sell 2-3 million copies of $60-70 full price along with collectors edition within a week. That's 180 million within few days for one single game. They've sold over 1.4 billion games on PS4, and that keeps the PS Plus flowing.

Sony aren't providing mediocre games to rush for such desperate business models, and they're handling PS Now pretty smartly.

The reality is the numbers just wouldn't work that way at scale. The subscription would net more revenue in a 1 yr period once the base was big enough. The most they are making on their best selling software is about 600m, and that does not figure in retailer cuts or discounts. Even a $5 subscription could net more if the sell through is high enough ($60 x 50m would be 3 billion a year), more than enough to match revenue with 5 top selling games (how many times has Sony released 5 10m+ selling games in one calendar year?). A download only Sony vault could basically print money, especially if they waited a year before adding new games/dlc to the vault. Sony could do this better than anyone else due to the critical acclaim of their studios.
 
Is there even an Xbox Series X dev-kit? If Halo, the mascot of xbox, first party, aren't showing off XSX footage so what's seriously happening? What kinda trouble is there that prevents them from having all footage running on XSX?

It's impossible at this point that they're not facing major issues and hiding it properly from the public.
No need to go all conspiracy on it I think. I mean even the articles that pointed to PS5 production woes seem to be made up or maybe too dated even when all those were solved etc. but if either console devkits had some kind of issues, it would have been leaked by now. Look at how Bloomberg article made us think PS5 could be scarce, but now Sony's own official forecasts revise the number to 10 millions of units, placing it as the most produced console ever for the first year.... All that smoke and there wasn't even a fire, but it was in fact smoke blowing in those articles' authors asses.
 

Bo_Hazem

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The reality is the numbers just wouldn't work that way at scale. The subscription would net more revenue in a 1 yr period once the base was big enough. The most they are making on their best selling software is about 600m, and that does not figure in retailer cuts or discounts. Even a $5 subscription could net more if the sell through is high enough ($60 x 50m would be 3 billion a year), more than enough to match revenue with 5 top selling games (how many times has Sony released 5 10m+ selling games in one calendar year?). A download only Sony vault could basically print money, especially if they waited a year before adding new games/dlc to the vault. Sony could do this better than anyone else due to the critical acclaim of their studios.

Why then Xbox aren't showing the revenues of gamepass? Or the sales of the console?

If it's any good, Sony could easily replicate it within days.
 
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Why then Xbox aren't showing the revenues of gamepass? Or the sales of the console?

If it's any good, Sony could easily replicate it within days.
Because they don't need to, and no company has so detailed revenue figures of all of their services.
 
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