Support NeoGAF

[splattered]

Lol wonder how much of that is because of epic store deal or summat ?

Because Sony paid Epic to market for them and secured a supposed but unverified Epic Store exclusivity?

Nah, the dude knows his shit a million times more than any of us console warriors on this forum and doesn't base his opinion on receiving investment funds unlike a certain Tim.

 

[Optimistic Gamer]

Imagine shit talking Gabe Newell because he'd buy another console than you would.

 

[SlimySnake]

He is right. Xbox has more tflops, higher ram bandwidth and a slight boost in CPU clocks. it's clearly the better console, albeit by a small margin.

I cant think of a single multiplat that will look better on the PS5 just because of the SSD.

That said, the PS5 is the only console that will have next gen exclusives for the first two to three years, but we all know Valve doesnt care about games anymore lol

 

[GymWolf]

Well, Valve doesn't believe in making new games either.

 

[jakinov]

He likely doesn't have access to the PS5 devkits or actually cares about looking into the details as a non console owner/developer. Gaben has always been vocal about ease of development in the past whether or not it was talking shit about the PS3 or the lack of harddrive on the 360. He always also tries to shoehorn in a conversation about how great iPhones/iPads are. I don't think he's a person to care about raw performance. So it seems to me he's not really paying attention to the consoles and just basing his opinion from the 360 days when he enjoyed the Xbox a lot more. It's also weird for him to whine about not being able to rely on fast I/O speed in the past and not be happy that he can now rely on fast one.

 

[TGO]

I'm shocked, like I was the last time and the time before he said the exact same thing

 

[Redlight]

Glad he likes the XSX better, he must have his reason. I just find it entertaining how much he would have been accused of shilling for Sony if he had said something else lol (I guess it would be mean to think about Sony cozying up with Epic Games Store factoring in this at all hehe )

You tried so hard to be above it all, then couldn't help yourself.

 

[Panajev2001a]

You tried so hard to be above it all, then couldn't help yourself.

Haha sure buddy.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

Newell is former employee of Microsoft.


But one did not receive 250m paycheck.

"Paycheck"

I love when people who have no idea how an investment works call it a "paycheck". Or pretend that something around 1% of a company's worth could coerce them to say something another company wants.

 

[M1chl]

"Paycheck"

I love when people who have no idea how an investment works call it a "paycheck". Or pretend that something around 1% of a company's worth could coerce them to say something another company wants.

Why not, if you have the "unprecedented parnership"...

 

[NullZ3r0]

New Zealand is fast becoming the 'panic room' of choice for the world's millionaires and billionaires.

Until they start shitting it up like America.

 

[Germuso]

well phil went to valve a few months ago, maybe steam for xbox.

 

[PlayVerso]

I guess someone will have explained to you first what a game console is, and that some of the best games coming out on Steam this year come from PS4.

 

[Redlight]

I doubt gabe has seen an XSX running a game yet, nobody else has.

Has Gabe seen a ps5 or ps5 dev kit ?

Gabe is allowed to have preferences, does not mean he has seen either does it. In fact, he likely has not seen a Ps5 dev kit as he would be under strict NDA.

So rich and powerful steam owner, who has not seen dev kits, prefers MS who he works with on VR headkits. Thats fine, what else is there ?

I see. Gabe only has a preference because he doesn't know anything.
I think he probably has better connections than you geordie. Just a suspicion.

 

[Demon2blades]

Because Sony paid Epic to market for them and secured a supposed but unverified Epic Store exclusivity?

Nah, the dude knows his shit a million times more than any of us console warriors on this forum and doesn't base his opinion on receiving investment funds unlike a certain Tim.

I'm kinda thinking it might just be the epic stuff but yeah totally everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

 

[Soulblighter31]

He likely doesn't have access to the PS5 devkits or actually cares about looking into the details as a non console owner/developer. Gaben has always been vocal about ease of development in the past whether or not it was talking shit about the PS3 or the lack of harddrive on the 360. He always also tries to shoehorn in a conversation about how great iPhones/iPads are. I don't think he's a person to care about raw performance. So it seems to me he's not really paying attention to the consoles and just basing his opinion from the 360 days when he enjoyed the Xbox a lot more. It's also weird for him to whine about not being able to rely on fast I/O speed in the past and not be happy that he can now rely on fast one.

You dont really need a devkit and a game developed on it. The xbox is faster than ps5 in literally every area outside the ssd. Faster cpu, faster memory, faster gpu. And all of these at fixed frequencies, so the advantage could be even higher in real world scenarios that how they apear now on paper. Theres nothing controversial in saying the xbox is faster, because it is, in literally every part that comprises these console, outside storage. And after a few years when these console will be on the market, people will realize the ssd isnt nearly the game changer its being forced now to be

 

[NullZ3r0]

Remember when Gabe talked all this shit and then when Valve had some actual hands on time with the console Portal 2 looked and performed better on the PS3? I sure do lol

You also don't seem to remember that development for PS3 was a shit show until Sony made huge changes.

 

[SupremeHoodie]

I see where this is going. After EPIC preferring the PS5 now we have Valve preferring the XSX

Those two aren't going to make it look any better. They'll just make the matter worse

Also I don't understand what Valve is going to offer for the XSX, at least we have Epic games on consoles

We don't need to separate the players community over such absurd thing honestly

Lets get this straight, both the PS5 and XSX are powerful consoles that will take console games to another level

Its fine to have a preferred system, this is normal as a human being. Sweeney is human and so is Gabe at the end of the day

Don't let such claims add fuel to the fire.

Both are powerful but one is clearly more powerful (Xbox) and will set the standard in multiplat games.

 

[splattered]

"Paycheck"

I love when people who have no idea how an investment works call it a "paycheck". Or pretend that something around 1% of a company's worth could coerce them to say something another company wants.

1% sure, but $250,000,000 is a lot of zeros and not considered small change.

A 30 second Super Bowl commercial in 2020 costs like 5-6 million, so Sony got a pretty good deal on a 9 minute UE5 engine advertisement haha

 

[Psykodad]

How long will it take this time before he backtracks and stumbles onto stage at a Playstation event?

 

[TexMex]

But he was right, ps3 was nightmare to work with and had underpowered GPU compared to cheaper and released 1 year earlier x360

I didn't say he wasn't right. But he is inconsistent and will support whoever throws more money Valve's way.

 

[Lestat Phoenix]

Gabe obviously has no time to play games if he chooses an xbox over a playstation.

Reported for stupidity

 

[EverydayBeast]

PS5 demands a lot and that scares Gabe

 

[Redlight]

He is right. Xbox has more tflops, higher ram bandwidth and a slight boost in CPU clocks. it's clearly the better console, albeit by a small margin.

I cant think of a single multiplat that will look better on the PS5 just because of the SSD.

That said, the PS5 is the only console that will have next gen exclusives for the first two to three years, but we all know Valve doesnt care about games anymore lol

Even if I was to cede the point about exclusives (and I don't), it won't be the only console to have next-gen games. The third-party games is where any difference will be critical.

 

[hemo memo]

Omg you mean he would prefer the product of a company that they have close relationship with???

In all seriousness? People can have their opinion but saying “no stake in that race” really Gabe?

 

[quest]

How long will it take this time before he backtracks and stumbles onto stage at a Playstation event?

When Jack fixes the issue in accounting and lord gabens 250 million dollar check doesn't bounce like a basketball. The second that check clears that SSD will be the greatest thing ever.

 

[Psykodad]

When Jack fixes the issue in accounting and lord gabens 250 million dollar check doesn't bounce like a basketball. The second that check clears that SSD will be the greatest thing ever.

Will PS5 get the best version of their most recent popular game again as well?

Anyway, more battles of the giants.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[SlimySnake]

Omg you mean he would prefer the product of a company that they have close relationship with???

In all seriousness? People can have their opinion but saying “no stake in that race” really Gabe?

you guys are doing the same thing Xbox fans did when Tim Sweeney praised the PS5.

Just saying

 

[hemo memo]

you guys are doing the same thing Xbox fans did when Tim Sweeney praised the PS5.

Just saying

That’s why i’m calling both of them out.

 

[Lestat Phoenix]

It's a lot stronger system plus the setup on Xbox is lightyears ahead of sony. I turned my PRO on for a couple of minutes and the interface is like going back in time compared to Xbox. It's such and dull and boring system.

 

[Potato Chip PRO]

I bet some are cancelling their Steam accounts.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

So a PC guy who owns multiple PC centric software companies recommends Microsoft product?

no shit Sherlock

 

[hemo memo]

So a PC guy who owns multiple PC centric software companies recommends Microsoft product?

no shit Sherlock

Who is working closely with Microsoft.

 

[quest]

Will PS5 get the best version of their most recent popular game again as well?

Anyway, more battles of the giants.

Probably have to add a few exotic cars to get the best versions of the 2 games valve will release in the next 10 years.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

1% sure, but $250,000,000 is a lot of zeros and not considered small change.

A 30 second Super Bowl commercial in 2020 costs like 5-6 million, so Sony got a pretty good deal on a 9 minute UE5 engine advertisement haha

If they didn't also acquire a stake in the company with their investment, your payola accusations might actually hold some weight.

As it stands, it doesn't.

I mean ffs, the more legitimate (and less conspiratorial) dismissal of Sweeny's talk would be to point out that Epic were closely involved in the development of the I/O / Storage Solution that he's praising than to try to accuse him of taking a paltry sum compared to his company's worth in order to stake their entire rep on it.

Spoiler

(Even then though, I'm more inclined to believe it than not due to both what was demonstrated and the fact that other devs back up his comments.)

 

[geordiemp]

I see. Gabe only has a preference because he doesn't know anything.
I think he probably has better connections than you geordie. Just a suspicion.

He said he prefers XSX over ps5, he said he has no horse in the race and prefers PCs on the TV interview.

Thats it. No horse in the race means HE IS NOT INVOLVED IN EITHER.

What do you think no horse in the race means ?

Its funny your extrapolating things based on a one line quote. Thats all he said.

Read into it anything to your hearts content. Reading comprehension is hard for some.

 

[Tomeru]

Because Gabe hates numbers 3 and above

 

[BluRayHiDef]

He is right. Xbox has more tflops, higher ram bandwidth and a slight boost in CPU clocks. it's clearly the better console, albeit by a small margin.

I cant think of a single multiplat that will look better on the PS5 just because of the SSD.

That said, the PS5 is the only console that will have next gen exclusives for the first two to three years, but we all know Valve doesnt care about games anymore lol

I've read that the PlayStation 5's Geometry Engine and its cache scrubbers compensate for the difference in teraflops between it and the XSX. Is this true?

 

[Honey Bunny]

Gabe hates censorship. We should all be like Gabe.

 

[Psykodad]

Probably have to add a few exotic cars to get the best versions of the 2 games valve will release in the next 10 years.

Or the largest installbase.

But back to my original post, I'm legit wondering how long it will take for him to change his tune again.

 

[Three]

Because Sony paid Epic to market for them and secured a supposed but unverified Epic Store exclusivity?

Nah, the dude knows his shit a million times more than any of us console warriors on this forum and doesn't base his opinion on receiving investment funds unlike a certain Tim.

He gets games MS games released on steam at 30%. Way before he even made this comment. Would people shout out "vested interest" here or not is the question.

Oh and hello new news:

Valve in collaboration with HP on a new VR headset which will "set new standards" in the VR industry

Maybe already old news but kinda interesting nonetheless! https://www8.hp.com/us/en/vr/reverb-g2-vr-headset.html This is the new headset. They also made the valve index I believe which will mean one thing: superb quality, newest vr tech but expensive as fuck. Im interested to see if this...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Bojanglez]

Follow up question... "Have you actually used either yet? Or experimented with the devkits?"

I guess if raw power = better then he's probably right.

 

[Spukc]

I bet some are cancelling their Steam accounts.

 

[VAL0R]

Until it can.

As a Roman Catholic I believe, as Jesus taught, that liars are damned. What could be more precious in this world to me than my immortal soul (and the souls of my loved ones)? Jesus taught, 'What good does it profit a man if he gains the entire world and loses his soul?' I believe that God will reward me thousands of times more in heaven than any treasure I could obtain through sin here. Lies offend God, who I love above all else, and who is the source of goodness and truth. Not only would I not accept any amount of money to sin, but I would choose death if that was my only other option. You may find that absurd, but that's my worldview and faith. I think it's sad you can't believe me.

I have told my children who I love vastly beyond any earthly treasure, "I would rather have you dead in my arms than see you in a state of mortal sin." That's what queen Blanche would tell her son Louis, as recalled by the great moral theologian and Doctor of the Church Saint Alphonsus Liguori, who commended her for her faith and held her up as an example for good parents to imitate. Because if you are dead in my arms and passed in a state of grace, then you have died a friend of God and will share in his blissful divine life forever, but if you are alive in mortal sin, you are on the edge of Hell and eternal damnation apart from God and all love and goodness. This is also the reason, again, as St. Alphonsus teaches, that I have prayed numerous times, "God, please take my life if you forsee that I will fall into mortal sin." I have numerous friends, a wife and a priest who I am certain would sooner die than commit a single mortal sin. If fact, one of the tests you can give yourself to check if you are in a state of grace as a Catholic, is to ask that very question, "Would I rather die than commit a mortal sin?" If you can answer "yes" honestly, you are almost assuredly in a state of grace. Would lying publicly for money be a mortal sin? Perhaps. It might depend of the circumstances such as the subject of the lie, if there was any compulsion involved, for what purpose you were going to use the money, etc. Either way, it would be very, very dangerous for my soul, no doubt.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Good for Gabe I'm sure he is using both frecuently

 

[Redlight]

He said he prefers XSX over ps5, he said he has no horse in the race and prefers PCs on the TV interview.

Thats it. No horse in the race means HE IS NOT INVOLVED IN EITHER.

What do you think no horse in the race means ?

Its funny your extrapolating things based on a one line quote. Thats all he said.

Read into it anything to your hearts content. Reading comprehension is hard for some.

'No horse in the race' means he doesn't have any personal stake in either platform, so his preference for Series X is based purely on the facts.

That is, it's the honest opinion of an extremely knowledgeable person absent any personal conflict of interest. To clarify further, an expert opinion, without any skin in the game, based on fact, not business interests or personal bias.

Unlike somebody who has, say, a quarter of a billion dollar investment on the line.

 

[The Hamburglar]

He spoke the truth, point, blank,
period. Pure facts ever since console was announced with a tech sheet.
What's the problem here and all these salty rivers of replys?

Have you seen 12tf the game?

 

[jakinov]

You dont really need a devkit and a game developed on it. The xbox is faster than ps5 in literally every area outside the ssd. Faster cpu, faster memory, faster gpu. And all of these at fixed frequencies, so the advantage could be even higher in real world scenarios that how they apear now on paper. Theres nothing controversial in saying the xbox is faster, because it is, in literally every part that comprises these console, outside storage. And after a few years when these console will be on the market, people will realize the ssd isnt nearly the game changer its being forced now to be

You don't but my point is he's not actually using the tools and looking at it as intensively from an up-close development standpoint like he used to. He never said it was faster and again I don't think he cares what's faster. He has shown to be one of those people that don't gush over specs. Like I said he used to talk shit about the PS3 which most people in the industry at least agreed it was more powerful than a 360 despite some architecture issues and complexity and praise Apple products which are usually criticized by Android fans for not sporting the same amount of RAM or CPU cores as Android flagship phones.

The fact that he's no longer involved in consoles and he has a history of not favoring what packs in more power leads me to believe he's basing his opinion on the past and not the present. Where a lot of developers allegedly are saying the PS5 is a little easier to work with, uses the graphics API that Gabe Newell has been championing, and improve on areas that Gabe Newell has complained about before like being able to rely on fast I/O.

Also, I don't really want to have another huge SSD battle here. But the fast SSD can help other components work more efficiently in certain workloads and there's more than just the raw speed of the SSD, sony has extra components that will also alleviate CPU/GPU usage when it comes to retrieving data from the SSD. Benefits of faster RAM can also be negated in certain workloads by the SSD speed , it's called a bottleneck for a reason. Sony has a lot of custom components (and Microsoft as well) and we don't know how well each one of them works and how much work it takes off traditional parts. There's a lot more than just what has higher numbers on paper. These parts work together and if one part has to do work to make up for the other parts or wait on the other parts to do work then you end up with less throughput despite the individual part being rated higher at being able to do 1 specific thing really fast by itself. This is why it's all theoretical performance. It's like measuring a grocery bagger by how many times he can bag groceries if he had all the groceries already in front of them and then putting him in a real grocery store where the cashier and conveyor belt slows him down and they make him do random tasks.

 

[Damigos]

Good for Gabe